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Where do we go from here?
« on: September 08, 2007, 01:13:02 AM »
So where do we go from here? I can tell you where AARC goes... I hear some media friendly talking head (possibly the good doctor himself) saying "This disease is powerful, he was doing so well and it took him down" BS!!!!!!
AARC took Andy Evans down. They took him down when they convinced him that after one beer he had thrown his life and his years away and that he was so far gone he need have no restraints on his behavior.
How many more people have to die before we stop the real criminals?
I can't sleep I am so angry. We should all be angry!
"One too many, a thousand never enough" Here is the truth One is One and a thousand is a thousand. Simple math.
I was talking to loved one about "Normal". He said he just wants to go out and be with his friends and be normal. The only abnormal thing about him is that he went into a cult and came out broken.
How do we become "Normal"? We raise our voices and we fight this terrible program and we don't stop fighting until the doors are closed and all the people responsible are held accountable for every child they hurt.
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Where do we go from here?
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2007, 05:08:56 PM »
Wow! You spoke to Andy? You know what happened! Do tell!
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2007, 05:14:14 PM »
Where-ever you want.


Seriously.


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No
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2007, 07:20:15 PM »
Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2007, 10:18:36 PM »
My first reaction based only on what was posted here, is how predictable such an act is. In AARC I watched young victims of exploitation (13-15 year old girls who were recruited and drugged) be told it was their fault or their "disease" that made them sell their bodies, when so obviously it was manipulative and dangerous men doing it to them.

There was a newcomer girl who was raped around age 14 or 15, and who was one of those victims of exploitation. The boy who raped her later become a newcomer himself, and never had to "make amends" for what he'd done. In fact she was punished for bringing it up.

I watched these young girls be humiliated in front of the group, undergo long "blast raps", and be restrained. Then these girls are paraded in front of the parents and media because curing a prostitute, supposedly someone who stooped to a low by choice to feed a drug habit, is the ultimate happy ending. The amount of degradation AARC subjected these girls to over months and years in my opinion is far worse than selling ones body.

So why wouldn't an AARC boy treat a sex worker violently? He's just spent a good year (if not more)being verbally violent towards them. He's maybe thrown chairs at them or chap stick, restrained them and sat on them, or denied them food or toilet paper. He's probably told them how "hurt'n" they are and then told them what they need to do to change their life. Why wouldn't he think he's better than a sex worker? Why wouldn't he think she's a "lowlife druggie"? He's been taught that the only reason someone would do such a thing is because of drugs. Acting out physical violence towards such a woman is just manifesting the thoughts that have been bread into him. I'm sure he's not the only AARC "miracle" out there using and mistreating sex workers. With all of the inescapable talk about it in AARC it becomes common place.

I feel so badly for the family and friends of the victim, and of course for the life lost.

Sadly, the prison where "Andy" is going will probably be a much better place than AARC. We can only hope he is the smaller person in his cell.
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Re: No
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 10:40:56 AM »
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.


Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.
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Re: No
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 10:54:03 AM »
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.

Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.


Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?
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Re: No
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 06:11:28 PM »
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.

Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.

Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?


Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.
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Re: No
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 06:17:06 PM »
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Sadly no, I haven't spoken to him. I read the article and was just feeling sorry for anyone who has ever had to deal with a program like AARC.

Please don't waste your time feeling sorry for me! I have a good life, great kids, loving spouse. I make great money at a job I love. I have been sober for a long time. AARc was good for me, but I have little contact with them. I know everyone has their own perspective on AARC. Mine is good. But it was also just one year in my life. I don't blame them for the bad things that have happened since then, or celebrate them for the good things that have happened.

Do you remember AARC being anything like the post directly above yours?

Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.


Left? When you were a client or on staff... ? Because I certainly didn't have the option of leaving, and confronting the abuser was "not working my program".
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Re: No
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 06:23:48 PM »
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.


So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave.  How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?
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Re: No
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 08:51:30 PM »
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.

So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave.  How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?


If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.
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Re: No
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 09:09:51 PM »
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.

So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave.  How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?

If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.


So, AARC is 100% voluntary?   There's no coercion?  Why am I hearing about all these kids who did not want to be there?


What if someone refuses to admit they have a problem?  Be it drugs, food, sex, whatever they've been admitted for?  How is taht handled?  How do you get them to "see the light" and "save themselves"?
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 09:23:08 PM »
Now, I see virtually zero difference between Straight and the place below.  Straight had a lot more kids in group when I was there, but that same bullshit, same forced confessions, same isolation, same fear mongering (deadinsaneorinjail) same love-bombing, same guru complex, same, same, same, same is still there.

btw.  What are Vause's credentials?  Is he another degree mill "doctor" like his predecessor Miller Newton?  Fake degree from a correspondence school that wouldn't stand up to scrutiny.  Now Miller has a bought and paid for priest's costume.  You can put a dress on a pig, but it's still a pig.



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Re: No
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2007, 10:16:06 PM »
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Not even close. If had seen abuse of any kind I would either have left or confronted the abuser physically myself.

So what would happen if a "client" decided to leave.  How did you handle it when someone refused to admit they had a drug problem?

If I had decided to leave I would have walked out. Period. I watched numerous other clients do it. I chose to stay.

So, AARC is 100% voluntary?   There's no coercion?  Why am I hearing about all these kids who did not want to be there?

What if someone refuses to admit they have a problem?  Be it drugs, food, sex, whatever they've been admitted for?  How is taht handled?  How do you get them to "see the light" and "save themselves"?


I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.

If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2007, 10:25:56 PM »
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I know my experience, and it was good. As to "all these kids" - AARC has had HUNDREDS of kids go through there, and I doubt more than 10 have posted on this site saying anything negative. Compare that to the huge majority of Straight or KIDS victims who have come out against those places. How long were those horror shows open? AARC has been around for almost 16 years! Where are the "abused" except for a few vocal people on this forum - the most vocal of which has never stepped foot in the building. Seems strange to me.

If AARC is abusive it should be closed down. I was not abused.



You don't know who I speak with away from these boards.


Are you going to answer the questions or just use your 'frustration' as an excuse not to?  Usually when ya'll get stumped its something along the lines of  'you're a disgruntled druggie/dry drunk.  it's not worth a response".

Yeah, right.  If you believe in your program so much, if it really saved your life, lets hear it.  It should certainly be able to stand up to the scrutiny of the likes of some angry loser who's obviously not applying her program like me, right?
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