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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2007, 11:06:42 AM »
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4286435.stm


If I had to choose between Depression vs. Alzheimer's, I think I'd opt for the former, ha ha!  That said, does anyone know what usage level allegedly heightens that possibility?

Related but separate comment: it seems pretty obvious to me, from a common sense standpoint, that a lot of these pharmacologically beneficial compounds do their business best, and/or with less serious side effects, when presented in their original, less pure format.  Could this possibly be due to -- -- the presence of synergistic compounds acting in concert with, or as mitigating factors of, the compounds of primary interest?  Believe me, I'll be the first to chime in on the side of evolution being less than perfect; after all, it is, by definition, still a work in progress.  But things generally evolve a certain way for a reason...
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« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2007, 11:08:26 AM »
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That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG!  :evil:  :evil:

I think the point was that it does just the opposite (concerning the "mental issues" propaganda).

I'll never stop smoking weed for good if I can help it...
I can't say the same for alcohol (though I do like to drink. too).
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« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2007, 11:11:11 AM »
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Related but separate comment: it seems pretty obvious to me, from a common sense standpoint, that a lot of these pharmacologically beneficial compounds do their business best, and/or with less serious side effects, when presented in their original, less pure format.  Could this possibly be due to -- -- the presence of synergistic compounds acting in concert with, or as mitigating factors of, the compounds of primary interest?  Believe me, I'll be the first to chime in on the side of evolution being less than perfect; after all, it is, by definition, still a work in progress.  But things generally evolve a certain way for a reason...

Ursus, you sound like a smart person... perhaps you could get started on whipping up a batch of pure LSD (we could always use more suppliers...)
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« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2007, 11:48:23 AM »
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That's HORRIBLE! we should outlaw marijuana IMMEDIATELY! OMG!  :evil:  :evil:
I think the point was that it does just the opposite (concerning the "mental issues" propaganda).

I'll never stop smoking weed for good if I can help it...
I can't say the same for alcohol (though I do like to drink. too).


LOL Yes I know, hence my SARCASM... Stopping Alzheimer's is a GOOD thing. Is this thing ON or WHAT?  :P  :P
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2007, 12:11:12 PM »
the study isnt anything new, it's decades old and was published in the lancet via parlamentary request, to spread....you guessed it....propaganda.


the study has many obvious flaws which they always miss, the concept of "what came first, the chicken or the egg" applies. they claim the a good percentage of people who smoke pot have metal problems. they never said pot CAUSES mental problems. could it be that people started smoking in order to deal with and help with their problems? also they studied brits, people who have a higher rate of mental illness than any other country, and also the rate of mis-diagnoses is very high for britain's mental illness, and mental illness in general.


and even if it cause schizofrenia, it's debateable on weather thats a good thing or a bad thing, there is alot or recent studies with describe szhizophrenics as having e.s.p rather than plain old hallucinations or voices, that schozophrenics are accutaly able to understand the world at a higher frequency than us "normal" humans can.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2007, 12:42:19 PM »
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and even if it cause schizofrenia, it's debateable on weather thats a good thing or a bad thing, there is alot or recent studies with describe szhizophrenics as having e.s.p rather than plain old hallucinations or voices, that schozophrenics are accutaly able to understand the world at a higher frequency than us "normal" humans can.
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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2007, 12:56:48 PM »
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could it be that people started smoking in order to deal with and help with their problems?


Good question.  Let's ponder......................
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« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2007, 08:59:19 PM »
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Are you opposed to a drug free America?

C'mon, tell me you don't think it's healthy for people to take drugs?  :-?


I'm "high" right now but you would never guess who I am.  Some substances / plants labeled as "drugs" by some are medicine to others.  Marijuana helps me think clearly far better than "aderall"(amphetamines) that are prescribed to me for ADHD.

What is more of a drug, a harsh chemical than can kill people and permanently change how they think, creating a physical dependancy, or marijuana, an herb that never killed a single human being, doesn't cause any long term change, can be consumed in a variety of controlled ways into the body, and does not have to be smoked?

When I go to the doctor and the doctor says "You must be on this medicine for the rest of your life"...  is that not drug dependency?(but it's good dependency, right, because a doctor in a room full of drug company slogans and money in his pocket says so?!?!?  Legal marijuana would kill drug companies, not to mention the "troubled teen industry")  When I find a medicine that really does work for my ADHD, just because that "dependency" is not legal I take a risk of getting arrested and sent to treatment / jail?

Like another on this forum has said before, throwing people in jail for victimless crimes is tantamount to soviet re-education.  Americans really do think they are free.
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« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2007, 02:28:22 AM »
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Ursus, you sound like a smart person... perhaps you could get started on whipping up a batch of pure LSD (we could always use more suppliers...)


maybe thats not such great idea...1 sheet = life in federal penn (usually)....not to mention it's very tough to do. plus everyone has done acid, and it's common knowledge among psychonauts that acid is just a synthetic immitation of a true psychedlic revelatory experience, which can generally only be brought on by natural substances. you can experiment all you want with designer drugs [acid is one of thousands], but in my opinion true "shamanic" states where a meaningfull dialouge can take place can only be achieved through traditional methods (meditation, chanting, glossalia, fasting, pain, dreaming), or with a wide variety of natural substances (mushrooms, ayahuasca/dmt, iboga/ibogaine, marijuana, salvia, mg seeds, even plants in the Solanaceae family, although thats highly not reccomended). nowadays it's much more worthwhile to grow mushrooms.

take this analogy - think of your consciousness as simply you inside of your house. you've never been outside of that house, you know nothing of the outside world, other than what you can see though a tiny window. all you know is the house, and although you are aware of the outside world, you cannot even fathom the concept of what it actually is. trying to learn about the world is like trying to teach a 5-year-old calculus. the only way of experiencing this "outside world" is though the previously mentioned methods. you can choose how to find your way out and learn about the world.
marijuana would make that little window a little bigger. maybe you can stick your head out if you try, but you can only see a little bit, and it's always the same thing.
salvia will throw you out the back door, and then chase you around and chuck you back in the house.
mushrooms would gently lead you out that front door, but wont let you stray very far.
ayahuasca will give you an informative guided all-night tour of the world outside the house.
with peyote some old guy will show up at your door looking to teach you infinite wisdom, but if you dont know the language or the customs he will infinitely decieve you.  
DMT will shoot you out off a cannon from your living room, destroying your whole house, you get a great view but then before you know it your back at home, only left with a fucked up house.


in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.
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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2007, 02:42:48 AM »


Somebody just gave me that link.  Interesting results.  No reduction at all in driving ability.
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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2007, 02:43:58 AM »
i know someone is going to try to shut me down on this point so lemme clear it up - mg seeds do in fact contain LSA, which is a precursor to LSD, and provides a somewhat simmilar experience. but LSA is acctually a group of chemicals, which all interact with each, not act alone to produce an effect. and they are natural, so you know exactly what you are getting.

I would also like to mention that yes, many previously thought synthetic drugs do in fact exist in nature, contrary to popular belief. for example, they have found amphetamines (including methamphetamine), along with mescaline, dmt, nmt, and a variety of other chemicals in a few varieties of acacias (a tree), which inconspicuously grow all over the world.

so to tie it back to the original topic...

PFADFA and all the anti-drug people can kiss my ass because they are all retarted. drugs are so common throughout nature that there is no possible way to keep people from feeling altered states of consiousness. weed is just one of thousands of very usefull botanical tools, there are thousands more documented ones, and many more that still have not been discovered. i mean, they just found DMT in a popular variety of lawn grass.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2007, 05:20:44 AM »
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in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.


Apparently you've never had real acid.
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2007, 06:29:54 AM »
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in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.

Apparently you've never had real acid.

I would have to agree, although I found most of those analogies interesting...

And I wonder if the above poster has ever tried bromo-mescaline and what sort of analogy they might have for that?
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2007, 08:36:58 AM »
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in this analogy, L.S.D is like watching reality television, or the discovery channel, or surfing the net.


Great analogies, although, I believe if you had tried “Orange Sunshineâ€
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2007, 11:17:25 AM »
never tried bromo-mescaline, or window pane, or ald-53. i've tried a few types of acid, and i'm basing my analogy off of my own experiences and and extensive reading (i'm big on mckenna, wasson, schultes, etc) in the subject of indeginous shamanism. I'm sure acid back in the day when owsley and crew were making it was a much different drug back in the day. nowandays it's nearly impossible to find unless you're in a handfull of places, and the potency is low. i'm not saying that LSD can never produce a true ethneogenic experience. i'm saying more than likely you're going to get a somewhat biased and superfluous "psychedelic epiphany". as Terrence Mckenna once said:

 "It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure it is telling the truth, because the demons are of many kinds: "Some are made of ions, some of mind; the ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind." "

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hmmmm...brown organic mescaline. sounds like it may have been some T. pachanoi or T. peruvianus extract....belive it or not you can get the stuff on the net. if done right though, i dont think it's like that, i think it's very usefull.

you can take psychedelics for a variety of reasons, but i think they should only be taken in learn, to become more in tune with the world. i dont see why anyone would take any psychedelics to filter out school. you'll have some very negative long-term effects on your psyche. i would understand taking them to learn more in school - i've personally taken mushrooms for philosophy class a number of times, but that was to more deeply understand, not drift off and escape. i think it's really disrespectfull to the people who genuinely use psychedelics for good, when people just take them "for fun" or "to escape".
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