How to help program staff quit their job faster!

[Anonymous]

Mad phont skillz, yo.

[Anonymous]

I don't see the relation between a poor black school and abusive private programs.

[Froderik]

When a child dies it is always an injustice, not just in boarding schools.  Kids die on the street, at home by their parents, mothers boyfriend, kids die at birth, kids die from drug overdoses, car accidents, by their teachers, by their friends and people they trust……  they are all injustices.
The difference is this is fornits and it focuses primarily on kids who die in programs.  When a child dies in a program their death is examined a little closer ,here, than those that die by the hands of their friends or relatives etc., but it doesn’t mean their death is any more tragic or unjust.

Tragic, yes.. but "injustice" is reaching.
What's your point? I don't see where you're trying to go with this.

[TheWho]

When a child dies it is always an injustice, not just in boarding schools.  Kids die on the street, at home by their parents, mothers boyfriend, kids die at birth, kids die from drug overdoses, car accidents, by their teachers, by their friends and people they trust……  they are all injustices.
The difference is this is fornits and it focuses primarily on kids who die in programs.  When a child dies in a program their death is examined a little closer ,here, than those that die by the hands of their friends or relatives etc., but it doesn’t mean their death is any more tragic or unjust.

Tragic, yes.. but "injustice" is reaching.
What's your point? I don't see where you're trying to go with this.

My point is that if a child dies in a program, it doesnt nesseccarily mean that all programs should be shut down.  We need to step back and look at what we are saying.  If we start shutting down every location or situation inwhich a child dies we will have nothing left (and we wont solve the problem).  We need to pinpoint the areas where kids are at most risk and address them specifically.
It doesnt make sense to spend time trying to shut down the entire auto industry or school system, alcohol producers or drug pushers because kids are dieing.  We need to look at the problem areas within these industries and address it from the inside out.

[Anonymous]

No, we need to destroy this excuse for an industry because the entire system is directly based on abuse.

Can you still not comprehend this in that feeble little mind, despite the evidence and testimony?

[Anonymous]

Actually, let's take another look at what TheWho is really saying here.

He's telling upper-middle-class parents, "Come! Send your kids to these places that have a history of abuse. We don't shut down inner-city schools when kids die there, do we? Of course not, we try to make them better, right? So, pay thousands of dollars to send your kids to our brutal facilities with violence like that of an inner-city school, and let's work together to make it better from the inside out!"

:rofl:

But hey, shit happens right?

[Anonymous]

the who....look up the standford prison experiment.

kids being abused at programs is an inherent risk....you cant stop it, unless you completely change the system and the way people think. kinda like how it's an inherent risk that if you go to prison, youre likely to get raped, or if you carry a gun, you're likely to shoot someone you dont mean to.

rather than blaming our kids, we should take a look at ourselves, see what is causing them to go crazy, what has caused the need for a program. people need to be looking at society as a whole, and how we can prevent kids from getting fucked up in the first place. if your head is just in your family, if you cant see beyond it, your kids will most definitely always end up fucked up. and it's YOUR fault, not theirs, and they should not suffer for your mistakes as a parent. we should examine what in our psyche causes us to become so sadistic under certain conditions, and how we can personally change, and help others overcome that ingrained psychological reaction. as kennedy once said "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". he was not just talking about the millitary. if we continue to ignore those less fourtunate than us, and keep saying it's their own fault, their misfourtune will soon become our misfourtune. we are all on the same boat...planet earth. if you dont give a flying fuck about the poor black 8 year old selling crack (other than to call the cops on him), that will reflect back on you. some people say karma is bullshit - but all it is, is energy. you cant destroy it, just transform it. if all you do is give off bad energy, all you will get is bad energy in return. and your life will suck big fat rod daltrey dick. maybe you should go look at some other places in the world, outside of the dainty state of mass. maybe it will put your ideas, and your worries about your kids in perspective.


i know i'm gonna get flak for dissin the who the band...but i think they suck as much as the person. they might even be the same person. didnt daltrey get in trouble for having kiddie porn?

[Froderik]

When a child dies it is always an injustice, not just in boarding schools.  Kids die on the street, at home by their parents, mothers boyfriend, kids die at birth, kids die from drug overdoses, car accidents, by their teachers, by their friends and people they trust……  they are all injustices.
The difference is this is fornits and it focuses primarily on kids who die in programs.  When a child dies in a program their death is examined a little closer ,here, than those that die by the hands of their friends or relatives etc., but it doesn’t mean their death is any more tragic or unjust.

Tragic, yes.. but "injustice" is reaching.
What's your point? I don't see where you're trying to go with this.

My point is that if a child dies in a program, it doesnt nesseccarily mean that all programs should be shut down.  We need to step back and look at what we are saying.  If we start shutting down every location or situation inwhich a child dies we will have nothing left (and we wont solve the problem).  We need to pinpoint the areas where kids are at most risk and address them specifically.
It doesnt make sense to spend time trying to shut down the entire auto industry or school system, alcohol producers or drug pushers because kids are dieing.  We need to look at the problem areas within these industries and address it from the inside out.

I'm steadfastly against any form of coercive treatment.

[Anne Bonney]

My point is that if a child dies in a program, it doesnt nesseccarily mean that all programs should be shut down.  We need to step back and look at what we are saying.  If we start shutting down every location or situation inwhich a child dies we will have nothing left (and we wont solve the problem).  We need to pinpoint the areas where kids are at most risk and address them specifically.
It doesnt make sense to spend time trying to shut down the entire auto industry or school system, alcohol producers or drug pushers because kids are dieing.  We need to look at the problem areas within these industries and address it from the inside out.

I'm steadfastly against any form of coercive treatment.

 :nworthy:  :nworthy:


That's it exactly.  You can't coerce or force treatment or therapy.  It is abusive to attempt to do so, in and of itself.  There doesn't have to be physical violence or deaths for a program to do harm.  The very essence and methodology of programs IS abusive.  They use the 'therapeutic community' approach.  That is a direct reference to the Mother of all programs Synanon.

To remove children from their families and all sources of comfort and security and put then into an extremely restrictive, isolated environment and try to force them to conform and adapt to this new 'family' is dangerous.  To restrict or monitor communication between the child and his family is immoral and does nothing to further good communication between the child and parent.  To use a level system and questionable staffing is incredibly dangerous (See above anon post about Stanford Prison Experiment http://www.prisonexp.org/ ).  Stockholm Syndrome (hell, at one point in my life I would have said that Straight was 'tough' but saved my life.  After two years of the mindrape I believed them when they said I deserved what was happening to me).  

The brainwashing is lasting and deep.  The best phrase I've ever found to describe what programs do is

[Anne Bonney]

fuck off and die asshole. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

:rofl: Hey! Watch your fuckin' mouth!!  :flame: ::bwahaha::

Yeah, well.  You realize I speak like this all the time too, right?  Boss, colleagues, friends, neighbors.   They all get it.

  ::unhappy::  ::both::  ::fuckoff::   ::unhappy::  ::unhappy::
 ::puke::  ::bangin::  ::armed::  ::armed::  ::bangin::  ::unhappy::  ::stab::





 ::bwahaha::

[Anne Bonney]

first of all you missed the point. further demonstrating your foolishness and ignorance. i'm pointing out that there are much bigger issues, and people with worse problems than you and suburban parents with kids who smoke pot, and somehow they manage to deal with these problems. life goes on. some die, some go to jail. some by accident, some for justice, some because of an injustice, but thats life, thats darwinism. survival of the fittest. when a child dies at a program, it is ALWAYS an injustice and is ALWAYS because of neglect. and maybe, if you took all that money you wasted on a boarding school for your kid, you could buy lunch for an entire school for a year. or maybe you can put it in a college fund for your kids, or other kids that need it. maybe if you paid a little more attention to the world, get your head out your ass, and open your eyes, you'd notice everything is interconnected. have you thought that maybe if you get these inner-city kids an education, and a little love, you might just have less dealers and criminals around to mess up, mislead, rob or sell hard drugs YOUR kids?

and yes many, many people get sent away for just smoking pot and sneaking out. i've seen kids at HLA and RCI who were just computer geeks with no social skills. i've met two girls who were sent away simply because their dads didnt want them to loose their virginity, and they had steady boyfreinds. at hla there were about a dozen kids who came simply because they had "bad grades and study habits" bad grades meaning B's and bad study habits meaning an hour a day. they were all pulled fairly quickly, although they should have never been sent there. and at the same time you have violent, antisocial, psychopathic people getting accepted, being roomed in the same room as the geeky kids.

now, everyone knows, what happens when you stick a violent criminal and a scrawny little "average white guy" in a cell together in prison. it aint much different at a "boarding school"


and to the individual who said i was a lying liberal - take your nazi ass and go do some fact-checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lut ... _(New_York)
although i was not aware it closed in 05'....i got sent away in 03' and havnt been in the area since. it really makes no difference, still serves my point.

 :nworthy:  :tup:

[Deborah]

rather than blaming our kids, we should take a look at ourselves, see what is causing them to go crazy, what has caused the need for a program. people need to be looking at society as a whole, and how we can prevent kids from getting fucked up in the first place. if your head is just in your family, if you cant see beyond it, your kids will most definitely always end up fucked up. and it's YOUR fault, not theirs, and they should not suffer for your mistakes as a parent. we should examine what in our psyche causes us to become so sadistic under certain conditions, and how we can personally change, and help others overcome that ingrained psychological reaction.

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[3xsaSeedling]

Guest wrote:
"rather than blaming our kids, we should take a look at ourselves, see what is causing them to go crazy, what has caused the need for a program. people need to be looking at society as a whole, and how we can prevent kids from getting fucked up in the first place. if your head is just in your family, if you cant see beyond it, your kids will most definitely always end up fucked up. and it's YOUR fault, not theirs, and they should not suffer for your mistakes as a parent. we should examine what in our psyche causes us to become so sadistic under certain conditions, and how we can personally change, and help others overcome that ingrained psychological reaction."  

I too have come to think it may be 'parenting skills' (or lack thereof) that are a larger part of the problems w/our kids.  
Why doesn't my own experience w/the industry lead to some insights w/my job as a parent?

[Anne Bonney]

Guest wrote:
"rather than blaming our kids, we should take a look at ourselves, see what is causing them to go crazy, what has caused the need for a program. people need to be looking at society as a whole, and how we can prevent kids from getting fucked up in the first place. if your head is just in your family, if you cant see beyond it, your kids will most definitely always end up fucked up. and it's YOUR fault, not theirs, and they should not suffer for your mistakes as a parent. we should examine what in our psyche causes us to become so sadistic under certain conditions, and how we can personally change, and help others overcome that ingrained psychological reaction."  

I too have come to think it may be 'parenting skills' (or lack thereof) that are a larger part of the problems w/our kids.  
Why doesn't my own experience w/the industry lead to some insights w/my job as a parent?

It does and it will.  Respect and communication are they key elements.  But it has to begin that way.  You cant' wait until there's a problem and then decide to be involved

[Anonymous]

what has caused the need for a program.

There is no need for programs. Never was never will be.

 

and how we can prevent kids from getting fucked up in the first place.

The kids in programs are not " fucked up", your assumption and premise presume today's average kid needs help or something- not true.

f your head is just in your family, if you cant see beyond it, your kids will most definitely always end up fucked up.

Yeah, right...

 :roll: :roll: