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Offline Anonymous

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lies and manipulation
« on: August 25, 2007, 11:48:51 PM »
I put my kid through a program to get her some help and thanks to YOU what thanks do I get? She just told me she's been looking at this website and NOW she claims she was "abused" and "brainwashed" by the program that she said saved her life only a week ago! I hate you people!! You spread lies and make gross generalizations about programs that SAVE LIVES!!!  :flame:
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2007, 11:53:54 PM »
Try calming down parent, and try listening to your child - very carefully.
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Re: lies and manipulation
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 12:07:38 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
I put my kid through a program to get her some help and thanks to YOU what thanks do I get? She just told me she's been looking at this website and NOW she claims she was "abused" and "brainwashed" by the program that she said saved her life only a week ago! I hate you people!! You spread lies and make gross generalizations about programs that SAVE LIVES!!!  :flame:


How did she feel before reading Fornits?  Remember, some kids who leave programs don't realize what they went through was abusive.  There's a book called "Bad Girl", written by  a young lady who went through PV and suffered terrible abuse, never realizing the horrible (and illegal) practices PV used were harmful to so many.  She credited the program with changing her life.  I've been told she's reconsidered that position.

Saying that the survivors who post on Fornits are spreading lies, and making gross generalizations about programs is a generalization you are making.  Read more about the programs that ended lives, and listen to the posters before you pan them all as liars.  You couldn't have read much of Fornits to make such a sweeping judgment.

And I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're sincere...
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Re: lies and manipulation
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2007, 06:14:48 AM »
On the off chance this isn't a troll, you should take some time and investigate objectivly what she's saying.  A lot of people here have a great deal of personal expereince.  They're about as close as experts as you can find in this paticular field, and it would not be very learned to disregard everything that's said here.

Look, it sounds like things are very tense at the moment between you and your daughter.  In the end it doesn't really matter what's said online because you don't have to deal with us on a daily basis.  The same cannot be said for your child.  What IS important to remember is that you need to take her feelings into consideration.  She may honestly feel that she was neglected; even on some cursory level.

TALK to your kid, try to be understading and patient.  Even if you don't agree with her, listening and making her feel heard can go a long way toward a healthier and more close relationship.  And try to keep an open mind, it's quite possible that things happened that you didn't know about.  Chances are they did if you were out of contact for a prolonged period of time.
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Re: lies and manipulation
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2007, 09:18:42 AM »
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I put my kid through a program to get her some help and thanks to YOU what thanks do I get? She just told me she's been looking at this website and NOW she claims she was "abused" and "brainwashed" by the program that she said saved her life only a week ago! I hate you people!! You spread lies and make gross generalizations about programs that SAVE LIVES!!!  :flame:


What tread was that in?

Generally programs do not save lives. Programs isolate people and makes them think about their situation. Sometime this timeout makes people take their lives up for an evaluation and then they save themselves. You can not force a longterm change in behavior unless the person in the program acknowledge that something needs to be changed and wants to do it.

But if there like in most cases are no problem other than being a certain age at the wrong point of time, the program is a waste or even damaging because the world does not stand still and wait. The children looses time in school and ends up being their former classmates. Some even have to give up their education.

If she only have been out for a week, it is too soon to tell about a lasting result of HER effort. You need to wait for a least 2 or 3 years to see the result.
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