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« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2007, 06:52:59 PM »
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You guys have been out now, some of your 10 years???  What have you done, what have you accomplished in your plea to close AARC. Never heard tell of you or seen any thing in the papers, news, -nowhere has there been such spread of hatred and blame for all your own problems than on this blog.  So, who's really taken you serious?  Where is all the proof to your accusations and claims.  I mean these are stories the media would kill for?  The drama alone would attract them in droves...so what are you doing?  Blogging.  Keep it up.  I'll come back and get you for any new campaign I'm working on.


Small steps Ellie, small steps.  AARC has flown under the radar for a while now.  Shit, it took a damn long time before people really understood what was going on in Straight.  It's the same for AARC.  You're in an entirely different country.  I'm sure the 'alternative' feeling of AARC makes it palatable for y'all (sorry, couldn't resist :D ) just like it does for the Dems here.  Here, the Repugnicans (I said it first Scarlett ;)  ) like the 'get tough' feeling of it, while the Dems sleep thinking, without doing ANY investigation, that this is an 'alternative' to jail or juvie.   Show of hands,  how many people have been in both 'programs' and juvie?  How many people would prefer the minimal human rights (communication with the outside world so we have some kind of checks and balances on reality, not just what's spoonfed to us by the 'believers') you enjoy in juvie over the humiliation and degredation and complete and total compliance and conformity of AARC?

 

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Adults go through the same "rehabilitation" it's the method taught to addictions counsellors all over.  Because though you feel 'entitled' to be victims and deny your ANY accountabilities... the poor me, I don't deserve to be here speech...no, it won't get you out.  

Bullshit! Adults are NOT subjected to the amount of ridicule, humiliation, isolation and complete force of 'therapy' that these kids are.  Adults have recourse through the courts.  Kids are at the mercy of scared, vulnerable parents and the twisted fucks like Newton and Vause that prey upon them.  Don't you dare compare some 30 day resort to what these kids are forced to endure for two years of their precious, fleeting adolescence.


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Ya that's right brainiac:
re·ha·bil·i·tate  verb, -tat·ed, -tat·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1. to restore to a condition of good health, ability to work, or the like.  
2. to restore to good condition, operation, or management, as a bankrupt business.  
3. to reestablish the good reputation of (a person, one's character or name, etc.).  
4. to restore formally to former capacity, standing, rank, rights, or privileges.  
–verb (used without object) 5. to undergo rehabilitation.  

Sure,  You tell me the fucking therapeutic value of the sort of forced confession and humiliation these kids are put through.  You sound like one of those vengeful, jealous pricks that can't do what the 'cool kids' are doing so you shit all over anything you either don't have the capacity to fathom, or aren't "allowed" to do.   Anymore at least.  :rofl:  There ain't a Goddamn thing rehabilitative or therapeutic about AARC/Straight/Pathway/Growing Together/SAFE or any of the other incarnations of the sadistic thing that was borne of the great Drug War.  Reclaim your critical thinking skills.  They're still there.  Buried, but they're there.  Think outside the box for a minute.  Try reality instead of that insular little world you've been conditioned to believe has any importance on life.  At all.


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Have you reviewed the papers your parents signed?  You were there for a reason.  Sue if you're so wrong done by. Why won't anyone listen?

Are you kidding?  Straight spent a few nights at the building shredding every document they had after they were run out of Florida for abusing kids under the guise of 'therapy'.  Most parents threw that shit out long ago.


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And Anne? You won't use the word "concerned" with your kids?

Please don't have kids.



Ah and there it is.  Again, I must be a loser.  My kids must be beyond repair.  If you could only see them.   They're 19 and 22.  Both in nursing school.   I couldn't be more proud.
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« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2007, 07:04:51 PM »
So you've also been to Adult Rehabs to know have you? uh-huh okay then...

You've been to Straight...not AARC?  I see....

You're one bitter MoFo eh?

I'll pose you the same question...why blog about your woes trying to educate those merely being entertained by your hatred and poor me -but doing nothing about it but blogging?  

Why have you all not been able to close AARC?  If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?

Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they?  Why are you just typing about it?  Is that your remedy?
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« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2007, 07:25:03 PM »
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So you've also been to Adult Rehabs to know have you? uh-huh okay then...


No.  The only 'rehab' I've been to is Straight.  

edited to add.... of course it couldn't be that I have a legitimate complaint.  It MUST be because there's something defective in me, because it could NEVER be the program!   One of the big characteristics of a cult.  Nice job defending you position dipshit.  Why are you so afraid to have someone challenge your dogma?

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You've been to Straight...not AARC?  I see....

Yep

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You're one bitter MoFo eh?


Uh huh.  As most people would be if an institution completely obliterated their family.


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I'll pose you the same question...why blog about your woes trying to educate those merely being entertained by your hatred and poor me -but doing nothing about it but blogging?  

To warn other people about the sickness that is this industry. I've spoken with, and still have great relationships with at least a dozen parents that, through finding these boards and then further researching on their own either didn't send their kid away or pulled them out.  Those are my proudest moments.  Mission Accomplished.


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Why have you all not been able to close AARC?  If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?

Well, I wasn't even aware of AARC until I found Fornits.  Most sheople aren't.  They buy the line about the 'damn druggie kids needin' someplace[/b].   They believe the Drug War hype and are scared into submission.  Its really not that difficult to understand if you have even a cursory knowledge of psychology.  


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Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they?  Why are you just typing about it?  Is that your remedy?


We have.  Miller Newton can no longer practice psychology edited to add the correction...'can no longer see minors as a psychologist unless supervised by another board certified psychologist.  We all know how well that would go over with Dr. Sadistic Narcissist  He's now an 'antioch orthodox priest' "counseling" people at his 'retreat' in Madeira Beach, FL. He may no longer have any contact in a 'counseling' premise with minors.  That's a huge accomplishment.  Mel Sembler (the founding father of all Seed/Straight/AARC/SAFE/Pathways/Growing Together facilities is being exposed in court for the sadist that he is.  Vause isn't far behind.
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« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2007, 11:32:11 PM »
Quote from: ""jc""
 

Why have you all not been able to close AARC?  If it helps no one abuses everyone, houses the devil himself, preys on poor innocent CHILDREN that do nothing to deserve being put in there (except maybe threaten their own or their families lives...but let's see...their being misunderstood, is that it?

Go out, get lawyers, tell your story to the world, go to the news, file complaints, sue, these are all your rights aren't they?  Why are you just typing about it?  Is that your remedy?


It's okay David.  AARC will be closed.  It's not your fault that your step-dad decided to bring Kids to Calgary.  He was stupid and misguided, and who could have known that the Wizard was a manipulative, scheming psychopath?  In a perfect world you would have had a backbone and not given yourself over to the little turd to please your mommy, but you could still grow up and be a man.  See you in the funny papers.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2007, 11:36:06 PM »
I have spent the last while reading throug the pros and cons of AARC and the experiences that people have had while going through AARC or something similar to AARC. However, I find one thing lacking in the nay sayers argument and that is proof. Proof would consist of maybe legal evidence of any wrong doing on the part of AARC. However, because it is an experience there may not be any proof, but maybe if it is so wrong that person would make the effort to go down to AARC and confront their "abusers". This also does not seem to happen. I believe this to be because they don't want to face the hundred of people, families and kids that it has helped along the way. I have heard about Straight and about Kids and both sound like programs with very serious problems, but these are not AARC. They have never been AARC and they never will be AARC. I have no problem with any of you disliking, hating or any other feeling about AARC, but how about not being so cowardly about it and do something if you think you can. If you believe that kids and families are being abused in Calgary then I challenge you to do something about it. Why don't you come down on a Friday, why don't you talk to the government or the media. I can give you one hint, no one would listen. Have you not noticed how when the media covers AARC they are all very impressed with the progress and help that the kids can recieve.

Now, do I agree with everything that AARC does, no. I would prefer to see kids left longer to use drugs and alcohol to ensure that when they come into the center they are going to have no disolusionment about thier addictions to drugs and alcohol. However, this is not the case for some desperate parents and their kids are admitted at a young age. But you are gonig to be hard pressed to convince me that experience at Kids or Straight is a direct and accurate reflection of what AARC is like. AARC is accredited by the governement of Alberta, recieves money each year as funding from the government and has been approached by other provincial governments about the possibility of building an AARC in their areas.

Further, I have seen posts about graduates that have had major problems. Some have comitted major and horable crimes. Funny thing about all of that is that they were using drugs and alcohol when it happened. You don't see to many out there doing those things when they are sober.

So, I guess all in all, I find this site to be a little bit pathetic. You come on here to rant about a place you have never been to, or that you think that you know something about. If you had a bad experience at AARC then I feel sorry for you because it has helped so many people. You may have reason to dislike AARC, you did not recieve the benefits that so many already have. However, for you that hate Straight and Kids and any other program out there that is NOT AARC, find something better to do with your time. Maybe if you got out and lived life like some of us you would be a whole lot happier and spend a lot less time in these places writing to people you won't meet, don't know and don't care about.
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« Reply #35 on: September 19, 2007, 08:41:29 AM »
Again, we have an AARColyte resorting to outright lies.  AARC is Kids, and was started as Kids of the Canadian West.  The Wizard of Vause, as has been repeated here ad infiitum, worked at Kids, and the original peer counsellors of AARC came from Kids.  Guest and those like him will make ideal witnesses for the victims of AARC because in their delusion they will tell you black is white.  
Perhaps though, guest is onto something.  Perhaps a single adolescent girl should try to confront an institution that has the backing of corrupt or ignorant politicians.  Perhaps she ought to march down to AARC upon her release and demand justice from people who are photographed by the fawning media with the Chief of Police.  It didn't work out too well for Mylitta.  However, it isn't one adolescent girl anymore, it is a group of adults who were victims as children.  But they grew up.  
And AARC is not accredited by the Government of Alberta as anything other than a crisis nursery.  It can't be accredited because the creep in charge is a fraud with no qualifications to run a treatment center.  
Every time one of you clowns tries to talk about AARC, you can't write two paragraphs without resorting to a bald-faced lie.
Funny thing about those graduates who commit crimes while using drugs.  They've all finished the program and been pronounced cured.
Last but not least jerk-off, what are you doing posting here?  Once again, if the site is pathetic and no one has any grounds for their complaints, then you have no reason to post.  If the only folks in this forum are loser druggies who just couldn't absorb the wonder of AARC, what kind of deviant would repeatedly taunt such unfortunates?
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2007, 12:33:45 PM »
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I have spent the last while reading throug the pros and cons of AARC and the experiences that people have had while going through AARC or something similar to AARC. However, I find one thing lacking in the nay sayers argument and that is proof. Proof would consist of maybe legal evidence of any wrong doing on the part of AARC. However, because it is an experience there may not be any proof, but maybe if it is so wrong that person would make the effort to go down to AARC and confront their "abusers". This also does not seem to happen. I believe this to be because they don't want to face the hundred of people, families and kids that it has helped along the way.

Believe whatever you want.  People, myself included, talked about abuses in Straight long before any lawsuits were filed.  Unfortunately Straight had many friends and allies in the Florida gov't and police departments.  That appears to be the case with AARC also.

I was petrified to 'confront' the people who had so horribly abused me.  Especially to actually go down to the building, the belly of the beast, to do this 'confrontation'.    Why would any victim put themselves through that?  Being surrounded by a bunch of the 'faithful' isn't any easy thing to do.  You people have a knack for turning things around and blaming the victim.

 
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I have heard about Straight and about Kids and both sound like programs with very serious problems, but these are not AARC. They have never been AARC and they never will be AARC.

Then how do you explain the levels or phases?  The confrontations?  The lack of privacy, using graduates of the program as staff?  How do you explain that grads of KIDS were the first 'staff' to open up AARC?  How do you explain Vause being personally trained by the Devil himself, Miller Newton?  How do you explain the fact that the descriptions of the program, even those by pro-program people are exactly like my descriptions of Straight?


 
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I have no problem with any of you disliking, hating or any other feeling about AARC,

Oh, well whew!  I was really worried you might have a problem with it.
:roll:  :rofl:


 
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but how about not being so cowardly about it and do something if you think you can.

Because you people scare the shit out of your victims.  They are justified in cowering in fear of you freaks.


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If you believe that kids and families are being abused in Calgary then I challenge you to do something about it. Why don't you come down on a Friday, why don't you talk to the government or the media.

I can't say for sure if they're being abused or not.  What I can say is that every description of AARC is virtually identical to what I experienced in Straight and since AARC is a DIRECT descendant of Straight and VAUSE was trained by MILLER NEWTON.  Those facts lead me to believe that what these kids are saying about their abuse is absolutely true.


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I can give you one hint, no one would listen. Have you not noticed how when the media covers AARC they are all very impressed with the progress and help that the kids can recieve.

That's because they're sheep and have arrested critical thinking skills.  That's where we come in.  We wake them up and give them a dose of reality.

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Now, do I agree with everything that AARC does, no. I would prefer to see kids left longer to use drugs and alcohol to ensure that when they come into the center they are going to have no disolusionment about thier addictions to drugs and alcohol.

Oh my god.  Are you really that stupid to actually write that down?  Your suggestion is to facilitate more drug use so that the kids really, really get that they're going to be deadinsaneorinjail without benefit of The Great and Poweful Oz?  Ummmm. Riiiiiiiight.  :roll:

 Why not educate the parents to teach the kids about responsible use before things get out of hand.  How about not buying into all the fear mongering about how marijuana will lead to heroin and deathinsanityorjail?


 
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However, this is not the case for some desperate parents and their kids are admitted at a young age.



So then you're admitting that AARC accepts and 'treats' kids who do not have a problem?????


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But you are gonig to be hard pressed to convince me that experience at Kids or Straight is a direct and accurate reflection of what AARC is like. AARC is accredited by the governement of Alberta, recieves money each year as funding from the government and has been approached by other provincial governments about the possibility of building an AARC in their areas.


Straight was started by grants from the Federal U.S. Gov't.  It continued to be funded by them.  

I'll say again, that all descriptions of AARC both pro and con are almost identical to what I experienced in Straight.


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Further, I have seen posts about graduates that have had major problems. Some have comitted major and horable crimes. Funny thing about all of that is that they were using drugs and alcohol when it happened. You don't see to many out there doing those things when they are sober.

I thought AARC was supposed to fix all that?  You mean graduates of the program are having problems after getting out?  GASP!  NO!  Really????  
:o  :roll:


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So, I guess all in all, I find this site to be a little bit pathetic. You come on here to rant about a place you have never been to, or that you think that you know something about.


Yep, there's that AARC compassion for someone else who is suffering.  We're all pathetic losers, right?


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If you had a bad experience at AARC then I feel sorry for you because it has helped so many people.

Really?  Would you care to back that up with long term studies and research?  Or are you just pulling that right out of your ass?  You ask us for proof, where's yours?  Where is the research?

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You may have reason to dislike AARC, you did not recieve the benefits that so many already have. However, for you that hate Straight and Kids and any other program out there that is NOT AARC, find something better to do with your time. Maybe if you got out and lived life like some of us you would be a whole lot happier and spend a lot less time in these places writing to people you won't meet, don't know and don't care about.
 


Again, we all must be losers with no life, right?  Get new material, that's getting old.  :roll:

AARC is a direct descendant of Straight, uses the same methods, AARC's director was trained by Miller Newton himself and Miller was run out of every single state he went to, for abuse.  I guess he figured he's try his luck in another country.  Wow.  Looks like he did an excellent job at setting up Straight Canada a/k/a AARC.
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« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2007, 10:30:19 AM »
I'm a mom who unknowingly put my kid in AARC. I immediately started to be worried about my OWN treatment there and did a little more research on the subject. Leading me here.

Ok... I'm convinced... I was ALREADY convinced before I even read all your posts. Pros & Cons.

Now... how do I get my kid OUT of there... and will my kid even willingly leave with me or are they too brainwashed already!!!!!

How does a mom get her kid out of AARC????

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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2007, 12:57:41 PM »
AARC is not a detention centre, thus they have no legal right to detain your child.  If you wish to retrieve your child, then simply go and pick your child up.  You will undoubtedly be fed misinformation, but go there with that in mind.  The Wizard has been at this for a long time, so he will give it the old mail-order college try to keep your child.  The bottom line is that you can do it.  Good luck!
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #39 on: September 20, 2007, 01:43:44 PM »
Well I brought him there from court!! They asked to photocopy the court papers gave me 1/2 hour to fill out another 40 pages of information and managed to NOT give the papers back to me... I was so flustered with them screeching at me to finish filling in the paperwork I didn't think to ask for the documents back.

My child may have been court ordered there. I am picking up a copy of the release documents from the probation officer this afternoon.

He may be required by court to stay there. But then again... why am I paying for it if he's court ordered?? I dont' know for sure. I asked AARC for the papers back but they seem to not have them. Considering it was crucial that they had a copy in the first place...I find it very interesting that they weren't requesting a copy of them from me after they couldnt' find the ones I gave them in the first place!!!

If they don't have a copy... and they needed one why aren't they needing one now??? Hmmm... interesting.
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« Reply #40 on: September 20, 2007, 01:59:11 PM »
Your child is at the greatest risk from AARC.  My Special Lady Friend was sent there by the courts as well.  You need to get in touch with your son's probation officer immediately, and you need to talk to your son's lawyer.  My special lady friend did not see her PO for the duration of her stay.  Vause will tell you that your son is a danger to himself and others, as this fits the at-risk legislation.  Disregard this.  They have no legal right to hold your boy, AARC is not legally a detention facility.  He may threaten to keep your child in host-homes for the duration of his captivity or have him go into the foster care system.  It's bullshit.  They may tell you that his other choice is the Young Offender's Centre.  He will be better protected in CYOC.  You are between a rock and a hard place, but that boy needs your help now.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #41 on: September 20, 2007, 02:04:29 PM »
He came from CYOC... had spent the previous several months there.

I was plotting to get him in there... and the most logical way was through the courts!!!

I may have signed papers releasing him into their custody... I had less than half an hour AFTER a Grad to fill in the paperwork to get him in there... I was being picked on every few minutes by that Brown fellow to hurry up. I didn't even complete the paperwork... he gathered it all up and told me to leave.

Yes that WAS my FIRST red flag!!!
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« Reply #42 on: September 20, 2007, 02:14:38 PM »
It is expected that a mother would want her child out of the youth jail system, and drug treatment is a logical alternative.  But that's not what AARC is providing, and they do not have custody of your child.  If you need help, then register and send me a private message.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #43 on: September 20, 2007, 02:35:00 PM »
Edit: Don't want all y'all to have my info :D.
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« Reply #44 on: September 20, 2007, 04:00:39 PM »
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He came from CYOC... had spent the previous several months there.

I was plotting to get him in there... and the most logical way was through the courts!!!

I may have signed papers releasing him into their custody... I had less than half an hour AFTER a Grad to fill in the paperwork to get him in there... I was being picked on every few minutes by that Brown fellow to hurry up. I didn't even complete the paperwork... he gathered it all up and told me to leave.

Yes that WAS my FIRST red flag!!!



Any attys in the house?   Signing a contract under DURESS?  I don't believe you can 'sign away custody' of your child to an entity like that, but I dunno.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
traight, St. Pete, early 80s
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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa