SUE SCHEFF ATTACKS FORNITS AGAIN

[Anonymous]

Why not sue the queen of lawsuits? This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers. As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up. Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics. Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the toilet bowl.

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow. After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States. It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you. Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down. Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore? How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice? The truth prevailed? Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?

I've read the WWASP vs. Scheff transcript, and what a non-event it was. It was no David and Goliath-style legal battle, only two equals in evil battling it out for turf. When I read all Scheff's gibberish about Carey Bock I notice she never mentions the relationship they had prior to the defamation lawsuit. What's the matter, Sue, you don't want potential victims to know you're a coldblooded, vengeful bitch? Bock was on your witness list, until she sold her computer to WWASP so they could obtain emails your computer conveniently deleted after thirty days. You were pissed off, Sue, and you waited, and when you saw an opportunity you pulled some gutless sleight of hand on Bock. Your vengeance pulled almost four times more than the amount awarded to Martin Anderson's family for his life.

Are you At Wit's End yet? The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds. I can't imagine how you and Izzy reacted when you realized the deranged, paranoid Whitmore blogs were being read by GAO investigators. You two were caught engaging in that heinous shit, looking like two sociopaths who probably beat crippled kids for recreation. I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants. That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation. You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public. Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap. But it will be too late for both of you.

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[Anne Bonney]

I'll bet there was one hell of a deafening roar of flatulence as Izzy's bowels spontaneously evacuated, ruining her size XXXL stretch polyester pants.  That was the moment Izzy realized she had gone into business with a bigger loser than herself, and she switched to wearing mu-mu's in case of more gut-wrenching revelations...

That's my favorite part.
 :rofl:  :rofl:

[Bunnie]

Are you At Wit's End yet? The illiterate advertising propaganda/nutbag manifesto you call a book is going to sell like chocolate-covered turds

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::bandit::

[Anonymous]

You'd think she would learn - stay away from Fornits.
But I guess its like Kipling says: The burnt fool's bandaged finger, goes wobbling back to the fire. . .

There are a couple things I have been meaning to comment on in her letter to Go-Daddy. Firstly, her saying she had had to close her office as if it had to do with anything on Fornits.  Yeah, she closed her office - but long before recent, or current events. She and I were still talking when she closed her office. That was back before Joyce Harris gave her statement on PURE and Whitmore to ISAC. She told me her mom was after her to close the office, to cut back on the expense of running an office, when she could operate PURE from her home very easily.

Her mom?  What's the deal with her mom?  I never did get the story on that.  Does she live off mommy?

And the bit about someone saying her daughter had died - I remember that. It was on the Whitmore forum (back when all that was red hot) and the point of it appeared to be an attempt to guilt people into leaving Sue alone. I don't know exactly where it is - maybe someone can find it - but I thought it was Sue herself; or someone posting at her request, as people often do; trying to make people feel bad for her, so they would stop being "mean" to her. I was shocked she would tempt fate like that - go so far as to say her daughter had died, to obtain some measure of sympathy. It was of corse total bull shit.  And now - trying to argue it was some kind of threat, is also total bull shit.

I remember that too.  Disgusting.

[psy]

Yes.  But what's unique about her linkfarms is that they actually hire (probably outsourced) monkeys to fill up the pages with text without links so it looks like an actual article, and has a decent link:text ratio.  If Sue Scheff actually wrote all those blogs it would probably end up something like this:



As much as I would find that hilarious, it hasn't happened yet, sadly.

Yeah, that's an important point: there've gotta be a number of monkeys involved, not only in the bumping, but in the generating of "Sue's" blogs.

BTW, did RD tell your ISP that you were in violation of copyright?  Or did they allege libel?

Defamation, "internet terrorism", death threats.. etc etc.. thoroughly debunked here:
http://sueschefftruth.com/?p=8

[Anne Bonney]

Guys, this is fantastic.  Really nicely done.

[Ursus]

You'd think she would learn - stay away from Fornits.
But I guess its like Kipling says: The burnt fool's bandaged finger, goes wobbling back to the fire. . .

There are a couple things I have been meaning to comment on in her letter to Go-Daddy. Firstly, her saying she had had to close her office as if it had to do with anything on Fornits.  Yeah, she closed her office - but long before recent, or current events. She and I were still talking when she closed her office. That was back before Joyce Harris gave her statement on PURE and Whitmore to ISAC. She told me her mom was after her to close the office, to cut back on the expense of running an office, when she could operate PURE from her home very easily.

And the bit about someone saying her daughter had died - I remember that. It was on the Whitmore forum (back when all that was red hot) and the point of it appeared to be an attempt to guilt people into leaving Sue alone. I don't know exactly where it is - maybe someone can find it - but I thought it was Sue herself; or someone posting at her request, as people often do; trying to make people feel bad for her, so they would stop being "mean" to her. I was shocked she would tempt fate like that - go so far as to say her daughter had died, to obtain some measure of sympathy. It was of corse total bull shit.  And now - trying to argue it was some kind of threat, is also total bull shit.

But now you guys - listen - not to be taken for a prudish church lady (tho I know I will be) you might find it easier to find a lasting home for these fori, if you'd lay off the overt and extreme vulgarity and racism. Poking a little fun now and then is one thing - but some of your guys really do go to far. You take advantage of the freedom Ginger has always insisted you retain, and in effect, you give people legitimate objections, any hosting company will likely give consideration to. If you want to save Fornits, and have a place where all the issues can be freely discussed, you might abstain from abusing the privilege to the extent you sometimes do.

All this being said - for now - as I understand it - she is bitchin' about the Sue Scheff Truth site - and that one is squeaky clean - but true - so maybe this concern of mine is in fact misplaced. Maybe the hosting companies are more upset by Truth than by public vulgarity.

Thanks, Buzzkill, for bringing back these facts into current consciousness!   :tup:

[psy]

Why not sue the queen of lawsuits?  This is clearly harassment by Scheff and her hired bumblers.  As mentioned earlier, it's time for her to put up or shut up.  Prove the comments are fallacious or grit your teeth and take it like the pro you say you are, Sue. The only other public figure I can think of with such paper-thin skin is Dubya Bush, and he uses the same kind of goon hand to stifle critics.  Like Dubya, Scheff's spinning faster and faster toward the pipe at the bottom of the  toilet bowl.

Zen!

Do you have a blog?

You should!

http://www.blogger.com

I'll set him up at sueschefftruth.com when we switch over to the new hosting.  Everywhere else on the internet seems to be fair game to make dissappear.

[Ursus]

Sue, you wretched, cannibalistic sow.  After taking a look at the TB documentary again, I see why you don't want it available in the States.  It's a hell of a struggle to quash a small group of people who are  revealing your hypocrisy, and the film would seal the deal for you.  Yeah, the "housewife" who took on the evil WWASP and won...what a con you laid down.  Did you look around the court room at the faces of your supporters as they realized you were a liar who was turning a healthy profit off sending kids to pits like the Whitmore?  How do you sleep at night, after spouting all that shit about the children having a voice?  The truth prevailed?  Exactly what whitewashed, Sue-approved version of the truth was that?  

...The truth shall prevail, but first it has to get around your lying ass, Sue, and the inept punks who keep trying to shovel the shit off your worthless reputation.  You wanted to be famous - now you have to answer for your sins in public.  Eventually the RD nonsense will be more detrimental than beneficial to you. When RD realizes trying to sanitize the image of a shitbag like you is making them a huge joke, they'll disassociate themselves like you were an incarnation of the clap.  But it will be too late for both of you.

SOOooooo Brilliant, Zen!  Did my heart good to read it!   :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

[Ursus]

Despite all the avowals of the defense of free speech and what-not on the part of many an ISP, I worry that having our ISP back in the USA may be just a bit too tempting to the opponents that be...  There is something to be said for readying ourselves for potentially setting legal precedent, and yet there is also something to be said for sidestepping the disruption and hassle in order to better focus on more important things.

I'm not really in any position to pass judgment either way, and I'll certainly deal with whatever route fornits takes... But I thought I'd just bring it up again that it might be more prudent to opt for foreign soil, given the current political climate, and given the possibility of doing so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XS4ALL
The company is known for its willingness to take on controversial issues; has taken spammers to court, and fought other courtroom battles, such as Scientology vs. the Internet.[/color]

History

XS4ALL was established in Amsterdam in 1993 by Felipe Rodriquez, Rop Gonggrijp, Paul Jongsma and Cor Bosman. It grew out of Hacktic Netwerk, a UUCP network. Hacktic Netwerk was started by the contributors to Hack-Tic, an underground hackers' magazine. Rop Gonggrijp edited and published Hack-tic and Felipe Rodriquez operated "Utopia", a hacker BBS that was one of the largest nodes on the network. XS4ALL was originally only the name of the system used to connect paying users to the online Internet (as opposed to access to the offline UUCP service, which was offered for free). Since many more users used XS4ALL than any other service, the organization subsequently renamed itself to XS4ALL and later transformed itself from a non-profit into a for-profit enterprise. XS4ALL quickly grew into a large full-service ISP.

On January 15, 1994, De Digitale Stad ("The Digital City") opened, the result of a joint venture by De Balie, the Amsterdam cultural center, and XS4ALL (then still called Hacktic Netwerk). DDS was a Free-Net, a free system open to the public. The aim of DDS was to bring politics and citizens together in an online community.

XS4ALL initiated the Dutch Internet Industry Association (NLIP) in 1995. Together with a large number of other Internet providers, the association was created with Felipe Rodriquez, then the director of XS4ALL, as its chairman until 1997. As one of the leading organizations within NLIP, XS4ALL has always had a strong voice against censorship regulation and against the erosion of privacy.

In December 1998, XS4ALL was sold to the Dutch incumbent telecom company KPN but continued to operate as an independent daughter. XS4ALL has since proven capable of maintaining its own cultural and political identity.

Activism and controversies

Scientology

In 1995 members of the Church of Scientology caused a raid on the servers of Dutch Internet provider XS4ALL as part of a bigger conflict with its online critics and sued it and Karin Spaink for copyright violations because of citing out of some confidential materials of Scientology. There followed a summary judgment in 1995, full proceedings in 1999, an appeal in 2001 which has been upheld by the Supreme Court of Netherlands in December 2005, all in favor of the provider and Karin Spaink, putting freedom of speech above copyright in some cases.

Station B92

In December 1996, XS4ALL put the Belgrade radio station B92 online using streaming audio technology in response to the jamming of its broadcasts by the regime of Slobodan Miloševi?. XS4ALL installed a leased line to the radio station in response to a request from Adrienne van Heteren, a Dutch citizen who went to Belgrade to set up various cultural activities. After XS4ALL had launched the online broadcast of Radio B92, its signal was picked up by the Voice of America and transmitted back into Serbia.

Radikal Magazine

In September 1996, members of the German Internet Content Task Force (ICTF) blocked XS4ALL for about a month because one of its subscribers had put an issue of Radikal Magazine on his homepage. Radikal is illegal in Germany, and to prevent its publication the German Bundesanwaltschaft (prosecutor's office) ordered commercial ISPs in Germany to block its website. They ended up blocking the entire XS4ALL site, which at the time had about 6,000 personal and commercial homepages. XS4ALL insisted that the case to be settled by the courts, because it did not want to infringe on its customers' rights of free expression; however, the requests to follow traditional legal paths were ignored by the German ICTF.

On April 11, 1997, one of the biggest German ISPs, the DFN academic backbone network, started an IP-filtering blockade against XS4ALL. Many protest letters were sent, mirrors were once again set up around the world, and the complete issue of radikal 154 was posted in the newsgroup de.soc.zensur. As a result, the blockade only lasted a few days. The founders of XS4ALL were interrogated as suspects of publication of terrorist propaganda, but no legal actions were initiated against them. XS4ALL then implemented several technologies to sabotage the censorship attempt, such as automatically rotating the IP address of its website. The ICTF ended up censoring all IP traffic to the XS4ALL domain, including e-mail. After a couple of weeks this became untenable; a global protest against the censorship emerged, and a global network of mirror sites was created by the online community. The ICTF abandoned its efforts after several weeks.

Corporate culture

In December 1998, XS4ALL was sold to the Dutch incumbent phone company KPN, but it has nonetheless kept its unique character and identity. Many of the original employees, especially system managers, still work there.

XS4ALL also sponsors and hosts the sites of many Free Software projects, like Python, Squirrelmail and Debian.

External links

    * http://www.xs4all.nl/
    * http://www.xs4all.nl/uk/overxs4all/geschiedenis/

[ZenAgent]

SOOooooo Brilliant, Zen!  Did my heart good to read it!   :tup:  :tup:  :tup:  :tup:

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the kind words.  I was stewing in Sue-hate after watching the TB documentary, and I boiled to the point of needing to de-pressurize.

[Joyce Harris]

Zen Agent,
I too have read the WWASP vs PURE transcripts; and I have often wondered what  Sue Scheff "supporters" thought as they sat in that court room; or later read these transcripts and came to the realization that the person they once trusted was an admitted LIAR?

Sue Scheff admitted in her trial testimony that she had LIED about having a college degree.   Who would lie about such a thing as one's educational achievements?

Sue Scheff admitted in her trial testimony that she LIED about her own credentials; and about her own work background.  Did her "friends" simply  conclude that Scheff  being an admitted LIAR was acceptable?

YET, if I would "DARE" state that Sue Scheff has "lied" about me in her WHITMORE BLOGS---oops, I might receive another letter from her fine attorney Mr. David Pollack; possibly threatening me  with a lawsuit for speaking ill of his client, Ms. Susan Scheff.  Therefore, since I don't desire to get mail from Mr. Pollack, I just wouldn't dare insinuate that  Ms. Susan Scheff was a "liar."

But, Sue Scheff admitted several times in the WWASP vs PURE transcripts, that yes--she has  in fact told lies about her educational background, her work background, credentials that she claimed to have, professionals that she claimed to have on the PURE staff.

I personally don't have any friends who would continue supporting me; if I was an admitted LIAR.

[Antigen]

Catching up here...

First and foremost, thanks to our crack volunteer tech team for their tireless effort and top notch results and to all the friends and supporters who helped research new hosting providers and provided other kinds of support. We couldn't do it without you and what would be the point? The entire value of this silly little ODD website derives from your interest and contributions. And, lest I be remiss or we all forget, my sincere thanks to those program proponents who have been brave (or foolish) enough to stand your ground and try your ideas outside of the controlled cultic structure of your various support groups and seminars. I mean that. Without opposition, this whole thing would be about as much fun as playing with dead puppies. So keep it comin!

And thanks to the trolls, too. Sorry but I have to part ways with the majority on this one. There's room for and need of comic relief, sharp satire and, often enough, outrage and vitriol. If you read these fora for awhile and not lost your temper from time to time, check your pulse! As outrageous as some of the content here may be by "normal" standards, it doesn't even come close to the level of emotional abuse inflicted on roughly 50 - 100 thousand helpless teens, pre-teens and young adults held captive on any given day by the very people who so frequently go crying to the courts or the media or their various support groups over being called bad names in text (sometimes video) on the net. Suck it up! Sometimes people need to vent and, trust me, you wouldn't want to trade places with any of us!

Besides, it can be very therapeutic to laugh at the devil sometimes.

Finally, I'm not too worried about having the site back in the US. We actually do have a right to free speech so long as the people involved are willing to claim and defend that right. As a matter of fact, I would rather stand and fight here at home if we can ally ourselves with others willing to defend our 1st Amendment rights. Here's the whole thing:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Note that freedom of speech comes second to freedom of mind. And that's what this fight is really all about. I'm ashamed of my country in some regards today. It seems we've reached a point where the cult of control has enough sway in business and the public sector to almost shut down dissent. I cannot, in good conscience, leave a mess like this for my kids and eventual grand kids to clean up.

Onward!

[Ursus]

So where did we finally park our sorry tired asses? :lol:

[Anonymous]

Seems to me that Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder, the apparent force behind the complaints, are hypocrites extraordinare OR they are delusional and believe only they can express an opinion (vis a vis a gazillion blogs) and everyone else can STFU.

Glad to see Fornits is back online.  Any further attempts to silence Fornits should prompt serious consideration of a lawsuit filed against the perpetrators, IMO, to put this issue to bed, once and for all.