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« on: July 23, 2007, 01:54:18 PM »
http://www.buffalonews.com/211/story/124796.html?imw=Y


Danielle Amigone weds Michael Howard

Updated: 07/22/07 9:37 AM


SAVE EMAIL PRINT POPULAR + Larger Font + Smaller Font  Mr. and Mrs. Anthony Amigone, of Buffalo, NY, announce the marriage of their daughter, Danielle Marie to Michael Walter Howard of Alpharetta, Georgia, son of Mr. and Mrs. Harold Howard of Alpharetta, Georgia, on July 14, 2007 at St. Joseph's Cathedral.

The couple exchanged vows before Reverend Monsignor James F. Campbell. A reception followed at the Park Country Club.

The bride graduated from Nichols School of Buffalo, and obtained her Bachelor's degree in Psychology and Criminal Justice from Georgia State. She is an Addiction Counselor at Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia.

The groom graduated from Chattahoochee High School and attended Georgia Southern. He is a Furniture Manufacturer Sales Representative in the state of Georgia.

After a trip to Nevis, the couple will reside in Georgia.


I found this article really funny because, like the bride, I have a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology, and I wouldn't know the first thing about helping teenagers who have addictions!!  But I guess I should not be surprised.
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« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2007, 02:18:18 PM »
I doubt she has a clue, either; but Len has never let incompetency get in the way of hiring someone who will work on the cheap.  She isn't even listed on the staff directory, but people are coming and going so rapidly now that Kathleen, or whoever does the updates now, doesn't have time to change it before they are gone.
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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2007, 02:38:38 PM »
Did they ever get the Substance Abuse/ Addiction Program licensed?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17306
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2007, 08:04:08 PM »
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I found this article really funny
So here is a couple starting out their life together and you decide to take their bridal announcement, post it on the web, and make fun of the fact that she has chosen a career path to help children who are struggling, you must be a miserable person.  A degree in Psychology is a great background for someone interested in becoming a counselor, what are trying to say?  Do you have that little respect for yourself and your degree that you have to drag others down who are trying make a difference and help kids?
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because, like the bride, I have a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology, and I wouldn't know the first thing about helping teenagers who have addictions!!
Hopefully you are able to make a living on your criminal justice degree, because you seem to have missed the whole point about how to apply an educational background in psychology.  I would be interested to know which school granted you that degree, you seem to have a total lack of compassion for others.
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But I guess I should not be surprised.

This method of drawing conclusions is why many fornits posters have no credibility with parents who come on here, you have to drag everyone into the dirt.
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« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 11:49:59 PM »
Did they ever get the Substance Abuse/ Addiction Program licensed?
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Hidden Lake Academy, after operating 12 years unlicensed will now be monitored by the state. Access information on the Federal Class Action lawsuit against HLA here: http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=17700

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 06:45:34 AM »
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I found this article really funny
So here is a couple starting out their life together and you decide to take their bridal announcement, post it on the web, and make fun of the fact that she has chosen a career path to help children who are struggling, you must be a miserable person.  A degree in Psychology is a great background for someone interested in becoming a counselor, what are trying to say?  Do you have that little respect for yourself and your degree that you have to drag others down who are trying make a difference and help kids?
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because, like the bride, I have a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology, and I wouldn't know the first thing about helping teenagers who have addictions!!
Hopefully you are able to make a living on your criminal justice degree, because you seem to have missed the whole point about how to apply an educational background in psychology.  I would be interested to know which school granted you that degree, you seem to have a total lack of compassion for others.
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But I guess I should not be surprised.
This method of drawing conclusions is why many fornits posters have no credibility with parents who come on here, you have to drag everyone into the dirt.

No, moron - you don't get it. HLA says their "counselors" are "clinically" trained. You said it yourself,
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A degree in Psychology is a great background for someone interested in becoming a counselor, what are trying to say?
So exactly what kind of experience makes this person an "Addictions Counselor"? Just that she's "interested" in becoming a counselor? HLA leads you to believe that these "counselors" have years upon years of experience to work with your child, which is far from the case.

HLA's "Addictions" program can't become licensed because the person currently running that program had his medical license revoked and Georgia requires the person to become a certified addictions counselor in the state of Georgia. That won't happen because the revocation of the medical license prevents him from obtaining that certification.

No one was making fun of the young woman: the point of the post was to state the obvious, which you choose to ignore.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2007, 09:25:24 AM »
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No, moron - you don't get it. HLA says their "counselors" are "clinically" trained. You said it yourself,

Read it again.
The bride graduated from Nichols School of Buffalo, and obtained her Bachelor's degree in Psychology and Criminal Justice from Georgia State. She is an Addiction Counselor at Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia.

Again, why do people here find it humorous to rip apart people who decide to dedicate their lives to helping kids?  What is it with you people?  There is no need to post people’s names on the web and drag them to your level because you decided to stand on the sidelines while others try to make a difference.
There is nothing funny about this, you obviously have no respect for your own career or couldn’t make it yourself so you ridicule others who have.  Would you like someone to post your name and ridicule your career decisions?  Have some respect.  If you dislike HLA, their management and/or  the services they provide, that is okay.  But stick to what you know.  This person could make a difference in many kids lives.
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2007, 10:12:19 AM »
News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web.  So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.

Here's what I am trying to say - no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor.  It is simply not done.  You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships.  But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.   :roll:

Oh, and by the way, what I do with my Criminal Justice/Psychology degree and where I earned it is none of your business.  And judging my level of compassion based on one post that I made is ridiculous.  I accuse HLA of hiring people who are not qualified for their jobs, and provide evidence, and suddenly I lack compassion?  Right.  I would say that you are the one who lacks compassion, because you obviously see nothing wrong with sending troubled kids to a school such as HLA, which can only cause further damage.

But, again, this is typical of HLA supporters.  I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.  Classy.

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I found this article really funny
So here is a couple starting out their life together and you decide to take their bridal announcement, post it on the web, and make fun of the fact that she has chosen a career path to help children who are struggling, you must be a miserable person.  A degree in Psychology is a great background for someone interested in becoming a counselor, what are trying to say?  Do you have that little respect for yourself and your degree that you have to drag others down who are trying make a difference and help kids?
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because, like the bride, I have a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice and Psychology, and I wouldn't know the first thing about helping teenagers who have addictions!!
Hopefully you are able to make a living on your criminal justice degree, because you seem to have missed the whole point about how to apply an educational background in psychology.  I would be interested to know which school granted you that degree, you seem to have a total lack of compassion for others.
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But I guess I should not be surprised.
This method of drawing conclusions is why many fornits posters have no credibility with parents who come on here, you have to drag everyone into the dirt.
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2007, 12:46:51 PM »
it doesnt take much to become an addiction counselor at hla.

just sit in through a few AA meetings and you'll be roughly as qualified.

"addiction counseling" is a sham. you cant teach someone how to stop someone else from taking drugs, especially if you've never been an addict yourself. just aint happening. now clay erikson and jen raeger (she doesnt work there anymore) ARE addicts - clay to opiates and jen to food. but unfourtunatly they are active addicts. come on...Jen is as wide as she is tall.  addicts rarely ever listen to hypocrites. all of the shit i sat through with the addiction program was bull shit. we were just being indoctrinated with all these nutty, completely unrealistic ideas from clay. addiction IS NOT A DISEASE. IT IS A CHOICE. using "god" to help you with your addiction is bull. it's just a placebo for people who are devoted to a god. god doesnt stop you from drinking, you stop yourself. it's just if you belive in god, and think he'll help you're more likely to stop yourself. HLA is supposedly a non-religious school, yet they force kids into the gnostic AA doctrine, and if you dont co-operate they say you're not making any progress, although you're simply a devout buddhist, and do not belive in all the bullshit. AA-way of doing things should be a choice among other choices, not a requirement.

now as far as this counselor goes...i think she's going to be worse than clay or jen. she has no addiction experience. how can people be so utterly ignorant to think that a B.A in psych qualifies you to be an addictions counselor? maybe if she spent her teen years as an addict and recovered, or maybe if she specialized in addiction at her univeristy she might be quasi-qualified like clay, but she pretty obviously didnt.

why do i think AA is a sham? becouse i've been to hundreds of AA mettings and watched people relapse again and again, live miserably, and the ones that stay clean become religiious nuts and end up spending half their weeknights at AA. the group itself becomes an addiction.
At the same time i've seen alot more people, who have never been to a meeting stop drinking and doing drugs very easily. some had kids, and quit. some got a fullfilling job, and quit. some got sick of drugs and quit. i even know a guy who shot up coke for 8 years, one day woke up and decided to stop. and he stopped, with his own will. are these people different from the ones you see at AA? not at all, not the slightest bit. they were all "powerless", but powerlessness is a mirage. in reality no one, not even a diety can hold more power over a person than the person themselves. it's called free will.
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2007, 04:14:41 PM »
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News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web. So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.
You still don’t get it.  They put their wedding announcement in the news paper for the purpose of sharing their happiness and their next step in life.  Its not a resume.  It is not intended to be reposted all over the internet and held up for ridicule for family members and friends to witness your poor judgment and bad taste.
If you hand your credit card to your waitress does that allow her to give the number and name to other people?  Can she post it in the kitchen for others to see or write them down and keep a list at home?  Or is there an implied trust that she will use the card for a single purpose?
When this woman posted her bridal announcement did she intend or expect to have to defend her qualifications as an addiction counselor?  Do you expect that in the future people include all their work experience and justify their career position in the bridal announcement?  
If you have a beef with HLA, stick with the senior staff or board members who have a say in how the ship is steered.
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Here's what I am trying to say – no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor. It is simply not done. You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships. But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.
If you feel strongly about this then try to make some constructive criticism which will benefit the industry, the kids, educate the parents, lay the ground work for industry wide changes.  This type of ridicule only belittles yourself and shows the weak position everyone has against HLA when you need to resort to trying to find fault with each employee and picking apart their career goals.
Here are some job postings from around the country:
###### was with the WATCh Program since May 2002 before coming to the CCP program.  Prior to coming to the WATCh Program, ##### had over 12 years experience as an addictions and sex offender counselor in Minnesota at the Lino Lakes Prison.  ##### obtained her Bachelor's degree from St. Catherine’s College and is a Licensed Addictions Counselor in Montana.

####  has worked at CCCS for since October 1997.  She was previously a bookkeeper and office manager until being hired as an Resident Assistant at the Women's Transition Center.  #### transferred to CCP as a Counselor Technician, and then was promoted to an Addictions Counselor position.  She has an Associates degree in Addictions Counseling from the University of Great Falls, in Great Falls, MT.  ### will graduate in May 2005 with a Bachelor's degree in Liberal Studies from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, MT.  She plans to attend graduate school at the University of Montana, where she will work for a Master's in Social Work.

#### began his employment with the Community, Counseling, and Correctional Services, Inc. (CCCS) in June 2001.  He previously worked as an officer in Adult Probation and Parole, an Addictions Counselor at the Montana Chemical Dependency Center, a Unit Manager at Pine Hills and an Adolescent Counselor at the Rivendell of Butte facility.  ### holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Society and Technology with emphasis in Human Values from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, Montana.  He has also taken all of the necessary addictions studies from the University of Great Falls to allow his State Licensure. ### was born and raised in Butte, and enjoys fixing up his old house and spending time with his family.

Government job posting for Addictions counselor:
C4L – SOCIAL WORK/COUNSELOR [/]
July 1, 2007

Graduation from an accredited college or university with a master's degree in psychology[/], social work, counseling, or related field appropriate to the assignment. Some positions may require certification as a Certified Assistant Addictions Counselor I or II.
A combination of work experience and education that provided the same kind and level of knowledge acquired in the required education may be substituted for the master’s degree[/] on a year-for-year basis.

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I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.


Now you try to play the victim, how typical of this site.  Maybe you can blame the school or your parents for your postings.  Why cant people here try to help others instead of spreading all this hated and self loathing.
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 05:05:09 PM »
You're comparing a wedding announcement in a public newspaper, which anyone can read by buying the paper or searching online, to a waitress stealing someone's credit card information, which is not public information)?  I'm not even going to address that comment.  Your logic is completely ridiculous and designed to take attention away from the topic which is simply this: HLA hires unqualified people.  Period, end of story.  Here is a little more proof:

http://naadac.org/sap/list.php?StateID=GA

She is not listed as a licensed Substance Abuse Professional in Georgia or New York.

In your first job posting, note that the person was licensed to provide counseling.  In the second posting, the person went to school specifically for Addictions Counseling and is working towards a master's.  Third posting: licensed.  Fourth posting: requires a master's degree unless you have previous work experience, which is determined by the hiring agency.  See a theme here?

I will say this: maybe she had some previous experience working with addicted people.  If so, that's great.  But the fact that she does not have an advanced degree and is not licensed by the national organization to provide addiction counseling is more than just a little bit disturbing.  But hey, if think that's good enough, then fine - you can send your kid there someday, if, God forbid, he has the bad luck to become addicted to something.  If I have the misfortune, I think that I will find someone with a few more qualifications to treat my child.  I am not trying to specifically bash this woman - maybe she is working towards her license or master's degree.  But the fact remains that she has neither of those things and is still employed to give addictions counseling to young, confused, impressionable teenagers.

And yes, you did attack me.  I'm not playing the victim here.  It is in black and white for anyone to see.  In your initial response to me, you called me a miserable person, said that I lacked compassion and had little respect for myself.  Are you going to try to distance yourself from your own statements?

You're right in that I have a beef with HLA, and I will take issue with anyone who works there, not just senior management.  Anyone who works there, I am quite sure, is aware that there are serious problems with the place (how could they not?), and even if they are not causing the problems, they are just as guilty by association.  They condone those actions by continuing to work there.

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News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web. So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.
You still don’t get it.  They put their wedding announcement in the news paper for the purpose of sharing their happiness and their next step in life.  Its not a resume.  It is not intended to be reposted all over the internet and held up for ridicule for family members and friends to witness your poor judgment and bad taste.
If you hand your credit card to your waitress does that allow her to give the number and name to other people?  Can she post it in the kitchen for others to see or write them down and keep a list at home?  Or is there an implied trust that she will use the card for a single purpose?
When this woman posted her bridal announcement did she intend or expect to have to defend her qualifications as an addiction counselor?  Do you expect that in the future people include all their work experience and justify their career position in the bridal announcement?  
If you have a beef with HLA, stick with the senior staff or board members who have a say in how the ship is steered.
Quote
Here's what I am trying to say – no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor. It is simply not done. You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships. But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.
If you feel strongly about this then try to make some constructive criticism which will benefit the industry, the kids, educate the parents, lay the ground work for industry wide changes.  This type of ridicule only belittles yourself and shows the weak position everyone has against HLA when you need to resort to trying to find fault with each employee and picking apart their career goals.
Here are some job postings from around the country:
###### was with the WATCh Program since May 2002 before coming to the CCP program.  Prior to coming to the WATCh Program, ##### had over 12 years experience as an addictions and sex offender counselor in Minnesota at the Lino Lakes Prison.  ##### obtained her Bachelor's degree from St. Catherine’s College and is a Licensed Addictions Counselor in Montana.

####  has worked at CCCS for since October 1997.  She was previously a bookkeeper and office manager until being hired as an Resident Assistant at the Women's Transition Center.  #### transferred to CCP as a Counselor Technician, and then was promoted to an Addictions Counselor position.  She has an Associates degree in Addictions Counseling from the University of Great Falls, in Great Falls, MT.  ### will graduate in May 2005 with a Bachelor's degree in Liberal Studies from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, MT.  She plans to attend graduate school at the University of Montana, where she will work for a Master's in Social Work.

#### began his employment with the Community, Counseling, and Correctional Services, Inc. (CCCS) in June 2001.  He previously worked as an officer in Adult Probation and Parole, an Addictions Counselor at the Montana Chemical Dependency Center, a Unit Manager at Pine Hills and an Adolescent Counselor at the Rivendell of Butte facility.  ### holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Society and Technology with emphasis in Human Values from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, Montana.  He has also taken all of the necessary addictions studies from the University of Great Falls to allow his State Licensure. ### was born and raised in Butte, and enjoys fixing up his old house and spending time with his family.

Government job posting for Addictions counselor:
C4L – SOCIAL WORK/COUNSELOR [/]
July 1, 2007

Graduation from an accredited college or university with a master's degree in psychology[/], social work, counseling, or related field appropriate to the assignment. Some positions may require certification as a Certified Assistant Addictions Counselor I or II.
A combination of work experience and education that provided the same kind and level of knowledge acquired in the required education may be substituted for the master’s degree[/] on a year-for-year basis.

Quote
I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.

Now you try to play the victim, how typical of this site.  Maybe you can blame the school or your parents for your postings.  Why cant people here try to help others instead of spreading all this hated and self loathing.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 05:21:54 PM »
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News flash, buddy - their bridal announcement was on the web. So you can stop with the implication that I somehow violated their privacy by reposting it here.
You still don’t get it.  They put their wedding announcement in the news paper for the purpose of sharing their happiness and their next step in life.  Its not a resume.  It is not intended to be reposted all over the internet and held up for ridicule for family members and friends to witness your poor judgment and bad taste.
If you hand your credit card to your waitress does that allow her to give the number and name to other people?  Can she post it in the kitchen for others to see or write them down and keep a list at home?  Or is there an implied trust that she will use the card for a single purpose?
When this woman posted her bridal announcement did she intend or expect to have to defend her qualifications as an addiction counselor?  Do you expect that in the future people include all their work experience and justify their career position in the bridal announcement?  
If you have a beef with HLA, stick with the senior staff or board members who have a say in how the ship is steered.
Quote
Here's what I am trying to say – no respected business would hire a person with a bachelor's degree in Psychology to be an addictions counselor. It is simply not done. You don't generally get anywhere in the Psychology field without obtaining at least a master's degree and doing some internships. But apparently you know more about the field I work in than I do, so please, excuse me.
If you feel strongly about this then try to make some constructive criticism which will benefit the industry, the kids, educate the parents, lay the ground work for industry wide changes.  This type of ridicule only belittles yourself and shows the weak position everyone has against HLA when you need to resort to trying to find fault with each employee and picking apart their career goals.
Here are some job postings from around the country:
###### was with the WATCh Program since May 2002 before coming to the CCP program.  Prior to coming to the WATCh Program, ##### had over 12 years experience as an addictions and sex offender counselor in Minnesota at the Lino Lakes Prison.  ##### obtained her Bachelor's degree from St. Catherine’s College and is a Licensed Addictions Counselor in Montana.

####  has worked at CCCS for since October 1997.  She was previously a bookkeeper and office manager until being hired as an Resident Assistant at the Women's Transition Center.  #### transferred to CCP as a Counselor Technician, and then was promoted to an Addictions Counselor position.  She has an Associates degree in Addictions Counseling from the University of Great Falls, in Great Falls, MT.  ### will graduate in May 2005 with a Bachelor's degree in Liberal Studies from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, MT.  She plans to attend graduate school at the University of Montana, where she will work for a Master's in Social Work.

#### began his employment with the Community, Counseling, and Correctional Services, Inc. (CCCS) in June 2001.  He previously worked as an officer in Adult Probation and Parole, an Addictions Counselor at the Montana Chemical Dependency Center, a Unit Manager at Pine Hills and an Adolescent Counselor at the Rivendell of Butte facility.  ### holds a Bachelor of Science degree in Society and Technology with emphasis in Human Values from Montana Tech of the University of Montana in Butte, Montana.  He has also taken all of the necessary addictions studies from the University of Great Falls to allow his State Licensure. ### was born and raised in Butte, and enjoys fixing up his old house and spending time with his family.

Government job posting for Addictions counselor:
C4L – SOCIAL WORK/COUNSELOR [/]
July 1, 2007

Graduation from an accredited college or university with a master's degree in psychology[/], social work, counseling, or related field appropriate to the assignment. Some positions may require certification as a Certified Assistant Addictions Counselor I or II.
A combination of work experience and education that provided the same kind and level of knowledge acquired in the required education may be substituted for the master’s degree[/] on a year-for-year basis.

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I post an article demonstrating that the school is clearly hiring people who have no business being there, and you decide to attack me instead.

Now you try to play the victim, how typical of this site.  Maybe you can blame the school or your parents for your postings.  Why cant people here try to help others instead of spreading all this hated and self loathing.


I thought The Who was banned from posting?

MODS:  This is The Who posting more spam!  Let's give this asshole the final heave-ho, shall we?  Please DELETE The Who's recent anonymous postings and ban his new IP address.  

For the record: The Who, despite your vacuous post, it ISN'T OK to hire unqualified, unlicensed staff to perform work that requires a license!
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« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2007, 05:50:08 PM »
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I will say this: maybe she had some previous experience working with addicted people. If so, that's great.
Thank you.  I think it is important not to pre judge people.  
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They condone those actions by continuing to work there.

There are people who volunteer during war time to help the wounded and they are totally against the war.  Doesn’t mean they should be humiliated for their choice.  They feel they can help and make a difference in another person’s life, even in bad situations.  
Give it some thought next time is all I ask.
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Addiction is NOT a choice
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2007, 06:20:41 PM »
The last time I checked the clinical field does consider addiction as a disease. Of course, one has a choice to pick up the bottle or snort the cocaine or pop the pills, but, they consider it a disease because an addict is not capable or does not have the normal ability to say no. Their body thinks it cannot live without the drug/alcohol/nicotine/etc. I have never felt the urge to do something so overwhelming that I couldn't quit, but I have friends who have had to seek professional help, and I can tell you that they don't feel they had a "choice". They felt the addiction consumed them. The statement in the post several posts back about addiction not being a disease is false.
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Re: Addiction is NOT a choice
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2007, 06:29:22 PM »
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The last time I checked the clinical field does consider addiction as a disease. Of course, one has a choice to pick up the bottle or snort the cocaine or pop the pills, but, they consider it a disease because an addict is not capable or does not have the normal ability to say no. Their body thinks it cannot live without the drug/alcohol/nicotine/etc. I have never felt the urge to do something so overwhelming that I couldn't quit, but I have friends who have had to seek professional help, and I can tell you that they don't feel they had a "choice". They felt the addiction consumed them. The statement in the post several posts back about addiction not being a disease is false.


No, its really not.  Your friends have bought into the whole stepcraft culture that's been going on for about 70 or so years.  Addiction is not a disease.  Educate yourself.  Stop being a sheep.  That's how these places began and its how they've been allowed to continue for so fucking long.

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