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« on: July 22, 2007, 10:26:15 PM »
When talking about advocates in the "teen help industry" can they profit off of the industry and still be considered an advocate?  

Is their ability to advocate on behalf of teens compromised by the money they make?
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2007, 10:34:24 PM »
Ask Isabelle maybe she can explain it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2007, 11:20:33 PM »
Oh but, don't you remember, Izzy does NOT do that. According to her and her twin.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2007, 11:53:52 PM »
Didn't Izzy say she was "going to make this advocacy pay?"
Guess Izzy selling kids into programs is A-OK with her.
How many kids have you referred to programs, Izzy?  How many?
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Re: Define "advoacte" as it applies to the teen he
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2007, 10:42:40 AM »
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When talking about advocates in the "teen help industry" can they profit off of the industry and still be considered an advocate?  

Is their ability to advocate on behalf of teens compromised by the money they make?

Yes and no...  Why do you ask? Yes, they might be (erroneously) considered an advocate by some... but if you want to call a spade a spade, then certainly not! There are plenty of analogies one could draw.. one that comes to mind is certain record labels calling themselves "indie" when they are not in fact independent at all (they've been bought by Geffen or whoever.)  

My answer to the first question probably voids the second question...and anyway, true advocates probably don't make money helping teens; if anything, they probably end up spending it (or losing it).
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2007, 12:06:32 PM »
Someone who advocates for the child no matter what, without predijuice. In the same way a criminal defense lawyer would.

Look at so many advocates, they don't even talk tot he child. They only talk to the parents, this is hardly advocating. They are on the side of parents and programs, not the child. THere is a HUGE difference!
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2007, 12:17:22 PM »
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Look at so many advocates, they don't even talk to the child. They only talk to the parents, this is hardly advocating. They are on the side of parents and programs, not the child. THere is a HUGE difference!

Of course there is, so the term "advocate" hardly applies in their case...

Was Scheff the first vile opportunist to call herself as an "advocate"?
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2007, 12:24:46 PM »
Someone who gets paid, whether on the front end by the parent to an ed con, or the back end by the program to a referral company, can not truly be an advocate for the child.  

The ed con is not able to be objective because they are paid by the parent.  They want to please the parent in order to be compensated.

The referral company who is paid by the program, is neither a parent nor a child advocate.  They are a program advocate because they are paid by the program.  They want to please the program.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2007, 03:38:26 PM »
I've become an EdCon myself, since Sue makes a tidy nut off referrals (and suing people who call her on PURE bullshit).  When parents come to me requesting information on RTC's  for Junior's growing Mary-jay-wonna addiction, I hit a buzzer on my desk and three Izzy-big escorts rush in, cuff the parents and hurl the hysterical  mom and dad into a windowless black van.   The escorts and escortees head toward Peninsula Village.  Every question the parents ask is answered with "Shut your hole, bitch, or I'll come back there and fuck-start your head!!  I'll break your punk ass down like a shotgun, and I'll damn-straight do it in a jiffy...ya HURD?!"

The parents are taken to PV admissions and thrown into the level three lockdown.  After two weeks, I come back and ask if they're ready to sign Junior's name on the admission form so I can get paid, yo.

For some reason, I'm not making the bank Sue Scheff does...no bank at all.  I normally have to pay for at least two $300 physical restraints PV was forced to perform on some mom and dad who arrogantly demanded their "rights"  That's what the 3x5 cards are for, so you can write your request for the counselor to read out loud before shredding it.  

Then I offer my services as a Life Coach.  I get Mom, Dad, and Junior to lay on my imported Persian symposium-style long pillows in a close circle around a hookah packed with the best blond.  It's heartwarming to see the understanding and mutual respect my coaching brings to the enlightened family.
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2007, 04:01:42 PM »
OMG, yer killing me Zen!   ::roflmao::

Why aren't you on talk radio? I'm serious.  This "cause" needs a voice and talk radio would be the perfect venue

Maybe you and Psy can team up?  The Psy-Zen Hour?
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2007, 09:46:11 PM »
Someone get Pizza Hut on the phone for Zen Agent. I gather being an advocate works up quite an appetite. Order him 15 large pizzas and a 1 gallon bucket of ice cream.
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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2007, 11:50:09 PM »
I can't stop laughing.,  ROFLOL. :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2007, 11:55:58 AM »
Tell them to Izzy-size that shit for me, too.  She must be indulging in my coaching style by herself...all large like she's living at the Col.'s or something.
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