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Offline Rachael

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« Reply #75 on: July 17, 2007, 01:34:42 AM »
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It IS better for a kid to be abandoned than to be thrown into a program. Why not ask people who were, or people who ran out of programs, or people who were 'exit planned'?



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Yep, definitely. Now even years after with a child of my own.... yep, woulda been a hell of a lot better off on my own. I knew that then, that's why they put me there. I would be a much better person today - and more useful to society - had my mother abandoned me when I was 13.
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« Reply #76 on: July 17, 2007, 12:56:22 PM »
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Some people don't see Summit as a "program" in the way you are speaking of. But for some people a program by any other name is still a program.

Well.  It seems relatively benign as far as abuse goes, however...  It's difficult to say for sure without knowing more.  And even if I did know more, I wasn't there, and would have to interview a few people to make a judgment on that and in no case would I recommend the place, regardless.. Why?  in the current state of this industry, it would set a dangerous president.  Also programs changed as they "evolve"...  Concentrated power...  I've seen it happen before.

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ultimately the child not being submissive and obedient enough and making them be that way, go through a level system, and the whole time disclose their innermost, most personal and embarrassing shit/baggage/you name it to the program.

There is no level system there. A student comes in with all their privileges (cellphone, computers, TV, home visits, trips, movie night) and it is up to them whether they keep them or lose them. They are not requiring or seeking submission from the student.

In all fairness, a lot of programs say that, but end up making up reasons to take away those "privileges" almost immediately (if not immediately) after arrival.  The program I went to claimed to let us have a lot of stuff (after the first month)... Well.  A month went buy, and when I asked for what they claimed they would give me, they told me the rules had changed.  They told my parents i had lost my "privileges" to those things.  Six months later, they were still telling new "students" the same exact spiel about what they were allowed in program (the rules never really changed, in case it isn't obvious).  I made it a point of asking them what they were told on the "tour".  In my opinion, communication with the outside world, especially with parents, is a right, and not a privilege.  Has your son had any of his "privileges" taken away?  Have you compared notes with him on what the reasons were (probably best to ask him that after program).

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Can't handle it? It would probably be better for your child if you abandoned him than sent him to a program if you can't take the heat.
In my opinion that is a ridiculous statement. But no problem, I've heard worse.

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most of them were looking for a quick answer, attention for themselves, or some way to justify and rationalize program placement

Maybe, but not so here. I know there are no quick answers, although I wouldn't mind a magic pill. I am not looking for your agreement nor your submission. I came here seeking information, I heard it, I got it. I have remained so I could explain my choices and give some info on the "summit experience".

The long and short of it all.... is I love being his mom. I would never throw him away or wish for a "different" child/teacher. He is un-freaken-believable! And he makes the best damn brownies ever!


Well.   That's great... but why is he still at the Summit.  It seems like you have a lot of doubts regarding the program, so why don't you see if you can work out a solution at home.  As much as you think a program might be helpful to him, it seems from what you say that you get along with him fine.  If nothing else, a parent's love is often more therapeutic than anything therapy could ever offer.

Even if this program isn't abusive, it seems as if it does border on fraudulent. They misrepresented what they offered to get your money, and your example with the SADD thing tells me that they care more about the bottom line than the kids they claim to help.  Don't you think you could do a better job of caring for / providing support for him if he was at home.
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« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2007, 12:22:51 AM »
Rachael, I am really sorry that you are in so much pain. Have you found any means to address your pain and start to heal?

Nilla, I truly believe that if my son were home he would do nothing, not attend school, not interact with others, he would isolate himself, there would be little or no consistent sleep, he would lose the stability he has gained.

 
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What is it about the school that makes you think they can do a better job than you can?

Nothing, absolutely nothing other than he is with other people instead of exclusively with mommy and daddy, that alone is worth accepting their
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Not letting teenagers get out and do their own thing fucks them up.

You are abso-fucken-lutely correct! That along with many other things do too.
I wish he would get out, I wish he had friends, I wish he was motived and involved... But I step back and let him be.... Although it is rare, when he wants to interact with others, go out, socialize -  he does.

Psy & Gabba - I am too tired to try to respond to your posts tonight.
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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2007, 12:26:50 AM »
Here Kitty-Kitty-kitty. :rofl:
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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2007, 01:48:03 AM »
Is there any theraputic program that is genuine?
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« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2007, 02:24:05 AM »
Yes.  The one's who genuinely want to make money.
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« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2007, 12:37:33 PM »
What do you mean? These are the good ones?
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« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2007, 12:51:14 PM »
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What do you mean? These are the good ones?


There are no good ones.  Therapy cannot be coerced or forced.  Period, end of story.

Parents need to do their fucking jobs and quit expecting the gubment to pick up the slack.  





This is the kind of shit that scares the hell out of me.

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Character Education: What Is It, How Does it Work, and How Effective is it?
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« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2007, 01:20:24 PM »
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Yes.  The one's who genuinely want to make money.

You got it...ones like SIB$.
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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2007, 01:36:06 PM »
People think it's possible, and will continue trying at the expense of other human beings. It's up to them, all they have to do is STOP. But they don';t
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« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2007, 06:01:35 PM »
This young man has been at Summit for months.  This mother admits he is receivng no meaningful, if any therapy. It's almost like she has an almost-18-year-old in some type of day care. She asked for advice, and has received it over and over: Bring this kid home, pay a real therapist and do her job as a PARENT. She refuses to listen.
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« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2007, 11:03:42 PM »
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This young man has been at Summit for months.  This mother admits he is receivng no meaningful, if any therapy. It's almost like she has an almost-18-year-old in some type of day care. She asked for advice, and has received it over and over: Bring this kid home, pay a real therapist and do her job as a PARENT. She refuses to listen.


QFT...
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« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2007, 11:31:00 PM »
QFT...[/quote]

um, what?
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« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2007, 11:34:07 PM »
"QFT" is internet slang meaning "quoted for truth." This term applies on forums and posting boards where users can edit their posts, thus the QFT holds the poster to their original statement. It is also used to express agreement with a previous poster's statement and validate its veracity. Other variations include "quoted for truthiness" and "quite fucking true." QFT can also mean "quit fucking talking."
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« Reply #89 on: July 19, 2007, 12:48:59 AM »
quite fucking true.
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