Parents don't want to listen

[FunkyChild]

"AND parents should also know when they tell you how pulling your child out of HLA will cause the child to regress, that is a brainwashing tactic. Our child is thriving and doing great and is so happy to be out of that negative nightmare. Lots of other parents feel the same way and their kids are doing great outside of that place!"

Esplain somethin' Lucy.  If HLA is such a awful, disgusting, vile institution that does nothing but make promises to families to rob them of there money and provides absolutely no service what so ever........

How come you child has returned to you and is "thriving and doing great".  If he/she was traumatized I would not expect "thriving and doing great".  In addition, if you sent your child to HLA its a safe bet that he/she was not "thriving and doing great" in the many other programs you tried.

No need to thank HLA for another satsified customer whose child is "thriving and doing great" after HLA.  Could HLA use that as a testimony?

they're thriving and doing great because they've been released from a total hell. if you get out of the massive financial debt you've accumulated, you'll see what i mean. man, i feel awsome knowing i won't ever have to be strangled by a lampcord ever again, thank you hla for graduating me!

[TheWho]

one day when child prisons are illegal (which they WILL be fairly soon...them democrats have zero tolerace for institutional child abuse...neither does gulliani)

The Democrats have been around for about 100 years.  When does all this begin?

[Anonymous]

for those of you who seem to lack grey matter, i'm talking about the next generation of democrats taking office in '08, who will undoubtedly try to balance out and fix the mess that bush and his cronies left behind. as far as the troubled teen industry goes, 3 out of the 4 top democratic candidates have signs of targeting and reforming the whole drug war industry. The only reason places like HLA exist is becouse of Reagan and Straight's alliace. as the last remenants of this idiotic system are dissasembeled, so will the goverment's fondness for the privitization of the prison-industrial complex, which HLA is a part of. once reform is federally regulated, HLA along with the rest of the usa's current TBS/lockdowns will probobly go under.

The only thing left will the evil private cult christian reform schools.....becouse you cant really do anything about that constitutional clause that talkes about church and state. unfourtunately.

[TheWho]

for those of you who seem to lack grey matter, i'm talking about the next generation of democrats taking office in '08, who will undoubtedly try to balance out and fix the mess that bush and his cronies left behind. as far as the troubled teen industry goes, 3 out of the 4 top democratic candidates have signs of targeting and reforming the whole drug war industry. The only reason places like HLA exist is becouse of Reagan and Straight's alliace. as the last remenants of this idiotic system are dissasembeled, so will the goverment's fondness for the privitization of the prison-industrial complex, which HLA is a part of. once reform is federally regulated, HLA along with the rest of the usa's current TBS/lockdowns will probobly go under.

The only thing left will the evil private cult christian reform schools.....becouse you cant really do anything about that constitutional clause that talkes about church and state. unfourtunately.

You, my man, are dreaming.  The success rate for most of these schools is thru the roof.  Granted there are kids who do not benefit and others who get worse by them (That is what keeps fornits going).  But the psychological industry (as a whole) and the professionals who represent them are the ones who will be reporting the findings and, to date, it has been extremely encouraging and in fact a few of the models are being used in the public sector in many parts of the country.
Sure there are the parents who never disciplined their kids and now they are out of control and are wondering if sending them to a program is a good idea or not and whether or not  Sally will resent them because she is forced to make her own bed in the morning and attend class every day.  But the democrats arent going to give a rats ass about these private institutions until they can straighten out the public school system first.  The parents of the public school system are the ones who will be getting their vote.
The democrats are not going to do shit and we all know it.  They we be focusing on an “Exit plan” from Iraq as a primary item so they can position themselves to get re-elected in 2012.
 ::hatter::

[Anonymous]

through the roof success rates? define success - you couldnt have picked a more subjective term. in addition there is no oversight over the accuracy off the statistics released by the schools. once there is some oversight, it will be obvious that "success" is rare with the way things are functioning now.

That and with the recent uproar over the deaths of a few certain kids, particularly in florida, i doubt industry regulation is something the white house or congress will ignore.

and i dont know if you've been reading the news, but seemingly every other week in the past year the powers that be have taken steps to begin to end the war on drugs. among other things, universities and other private entities can host marijuana research programs, a number of states of taken steps to decriminalize it, colorado has practically legalized it. the dakotas have legalized hemp farming but the farmers are afraid to plant it becouse of the d.e.a, so there taking it to the top. along with that, there's the whole california situation which has been brewing for a while, and is about to explode. a major power struggle between state power and federal power is emerging - a conflct this country is not seen in a long time. the supreme court has made rulings which the states still refuse to follow. the house is begining to take a serious interest in finaly figuring out what the real fuss is about MJ and is not following blindly.

It's going to be very interesting to see how and into what all of this develops.....and the reprecussions on the TBS industry. you could say im just ranting about weed, but it's all very closely connected. check the history of the reagans.

[Deborah]

You, my man, are dreaming.  The success rate for most of these schools is thru the roof.  Granted there are kids who do not benefit and others who get worse by them (That is what keeps fornits going).

WHO are you?

What keeps Fornits "going" is reporting what goes on behind closed doors. What's being done to kids in the name of 'therapy'.
40% retention rate
150+ death
Untold (and unreported) number of injuries, preventable accidents, assaults, inappropriate sexual contacts, heinous abuses
Medical neglect
Food/ Contact with parents used as punishment
Fraudulent and deceptive advertising
Held incommunicado like prisoners of war

But the psychological industry (as a whole) and the professionals who represent them are the ones who will be reporting the findings

Indeed they will.
http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... &Itemid=35
http://apinto.blog.usf.edu/category/spe ... -programs/
http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/AStart ... sbrief.pdf
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/oct2004/od-15.htm
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/teens.cfm
http://www.nida.nih.gov/NIDA_notes/NNVo ... uping.html
http://tinyurl.com/22xfcr
http://www.teenliberty.org/ACAPN.htm
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p= ... ion#164570
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=53849#53849

If you're peddling Behren's 'study' of a handful of Aspen programs, compiling the results of a questionaire provided to select clients, that's not scientific or proof of efficacy. Why do they refuse to allow independent, third parties in to do authentic research and evaluation?

and, to date, it has been extremely encouraging and in fact a few of the models are being used in the public sector in many parts of the country.

Which models?  Where are they being used?

http://www.wpic.pitt.edu/aacp/Vol-15-3/Youth.html
What have we learned from nearly twenty years of practicing values and principles articulated for the Children and Adolescent Service System Program (CASSP) and the System of Care (SOC) reform movement it spawned? The core values of the SOC reforms were the following: services should be 1) family centered, 2) child and adolescent focused 3) community based and well coordinated and 4) culturally competent. Sending youth across the country to a residential program, or limiting parental access to their children in a local program, is the antithesis of a family centered practice. Parents must be included in the assessment of each child, involved in regular contact with their child and central to planning the child’s reentry into their life outside the institution. Programs that offer rigid programming, or frankly misuse behavioral paradigms, are not providing individualized and tailored care as is becoming a standard "best practice" for ever more child care communities around the country.

[Anonymous]

Len has always been deathly afraid of longitudinal studies of HLA graduates, and with good reason.  Even in the good ole days, the completion rate was consistently below 50%.  By this time last year, it had dropped into the 30% range, and now God only knows.  Follow-up studies of HLA graduates were suggested and even urged on him by some of staff who had a modicum of ethics, but it always fell on deaf ears and now there are no staff with ethics remaining.  The parent reference list was constantly being revised because their kids were constantly relapsing into the same behavior patterns, or worse.  I am convinced that those kids who were pulled early-on did, on the whole, far, far better than those who actually graduated.

[Anonymous]

I Love you deborah, you have a talent of understanding exactly what i'm trying to say and clarifying it so that all the square adults can understand.

i would like to mention:

what happened to all of those statistics HLA once had published on their website? i wish someone saved them so they could be introduced into the case as eveidence.

i also think it's funny how the whole website has been revamped since the lawsuit. That and although the many of the legal documents are available, parents cant get the parent's handbook untill they enroll their kids. i think thats interesting considering most school let you view the student and parent handbooks before you make your decisions, they expect you to base a large part of your decision on the handbooks; they provide an exellent window into how everything operates within a school.


i think it will be a good idea to construct a small database of documents by HLA on fornits. e.g any correspondence, handbooks, bills, etc. (of course with names blacked out).

[Anonymous]

You, my man, are dreaming.  The success rate for most of these schools is thru the roof.  

Really?  Well then, I'm sure you have the stats and long term, independent studies to back that up, right? (Not just your "survey" results, cherry-picking who participates)

Granted there are kids who do not benefit and others who get worse by them (That is what keeps fornits going).

Naw, exposing programs for the mindrape mills they are is what keeps Fornits going.


 

But the psychological industry (as a whole) and the professionals who represent them are the ones who will be reporting the findings and, to date, it has been extremely encouraging and in fact a few of the models are being used in the public sector in many parts of the country.

I've heard rumblings that Hyde was trying to insinuate themselves into the public school system.  That is another thing that "keeps us going".  Keeping this shit out of the public system.  The Hyde grads and former parents are pissed and coming out, just like HLA people were pissed and filed a lawsuit.

Why would you ever farm out the responsibility of teaching moral values to your child?  Schools are for educating our kids.  Parents are who should be teaching morals.

Sure there are the parents who never disciplined their kids and now they are out of control and are wondering if sending them to a program is a good idea or not and whether or not  Sally will resent them because she is forced to make her own bed in the morning and attend class every day.

Sally will resent them for the late night, forced confessions sessions.  She'll resent them for having food withheld as punishment for some small infraction.  She'll resent them for abandoning her to a bunch of unqualified strangers to live with for a good part of her all-too-short youth.  She'll resent the labels and dxs slapped on her, or worse fall into and actually believe those things about herself.

But the democrats arent going to give a rats ass about these private institutions until they can straighten out the public school system first.  The parents of the public school system are the ones who will be getting their vote.

The Dems have been lulled into believing that these "alternative" "schools" are safe and effective alternatives to JDC because they're too fucking lazy to really look into it.

[Anonymous]

I can tell you something hilarious about HLA. That is that the HLA staffers titles and job responsibilities change all the time. For example Kees de Vente is listed as the spiritual coordinator and now is also the Assistant Director of Academics.  Also, another funny is that Christy Jones used to be listed as a co-Director of Counseling,  and now they have her listed as as Director of Admissions. The staff that are left there never know what job title they will have from week to week. I cannot imagine working at a place where I might have a different job title from week to week.  :lol:  :roll:

[Troll Control]

Yeah, it's a transparent con if you know what to look for.

Ever see the movie "Casino"?  

Sam Rothstien, the gangster running the Tangiers casino, applies for a license he knows he can't get, but avoids having to get it by changing his job title every so often ("entertainment director," "food and beverage manager") and reapplying so as to have another few months on a new conditional license.

Now that you know this is happening, be sure to report it to ORS.  if the person is legally unqualified for whatever position they are in, BLOW THE WHISTLE.  And keep doing it until HLA is fined out of business or their conditional license is revoked.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it's a transparent con if you know what to look for.

Ever see the movie "Casino"?  

Sam Rothstien, the gangster running the Tangiers casino, applies for a license he knows he can't get, but avoids having to get it by changing his job title every so often ("entertainment director," "food and beverage manager") and reapplying so as to have another few months on a new conditional license.

Now that you know this is happening, be sure to report it to ORS.  if the person is legally unqualified for whatever position they are in, BLOW THE WHISTLE.  And keep doing it until HLA is fined out of business or their conditional license is revoked.

That's it!!  Great analogy.  And great movie.

[Anonymous]

Johnny Ringo- All Counseling Staff are full-time and are clinically trained, holding a Master’s Degree or higher.

All counselors work full-time, have completed some form of clinical training and hold a master's degree or higher.

Really!  Please do explain Danielle Howard (Amigone) then.  She is employed as an addictions counselor.  She has a bachelor's degree.  She does not have a master's degree, nor is she a licensed Substance Abuse Professional.

Interesting...somehow, it doesn't jive with what you said!  I'm sure the posters here are shocked...

[Anonymous]

I can tell you something hilarious about HLA. That is that the HLA staffers titles and job responsibilities change all the time. For example Kees de Vente is listed as the spiritual coordinator and now is also the Assistant Director of Academics.  Also, another funny is that Christy Jones used to be listed as a co-Director of Counseling,  and now they have her listed as as Director of Admissions. The staff that are left there never know what job title they will have from week to week. I cannot imagine working at a place where I might have a different job title from week to week.  :lol:  :roll:

Here told, she has been moved over to RC, to be with Hollowhead.

[Deborah]

I can tell you something hilarious about HLA. That is that the HLA staffers titles and job responsibilities change all the time. For example Kees de Vente is listed as the spiritual coordinator and now is also the Assistant Director of Academics.  Also, another funny is that Christy Jones used to be listed as a co-Director of Counseling,  and now they have her listed as as Director of Admissions. The staff that are left there never know what job title they will have from week to week. I cannot imagine working at a place where I might have a different job title from week to week.  :lol:  :roll:

No kidding.
She was Assoc Dir of Counseling
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 121#245121
Unlicensed
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 348#218348

Perhaps this change was necessary to meet the requirements of ORS.
Who's supervising the interns?