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Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care
« Reply #90 on: August 23, 2007, 05:39:13 AM »
It is a tragedy that any child should die in the care of a residential treatment facility.  I am very sorry for your loss.

Do you mind telling us whether your son was on meds, and if so, for what purpose?

It appears to me that many residential kids are on medication that can have serious side-effects though that doesn't sound to be the case here.

What about his behavior at home?  Is it possible his behavior was adversely effected by any meds he was prescribed?

Several Fornits members are very well educated in meds, both pro and con.

I do think this is an area that needs more research (the prescribing of powerful psychotropic drugs for children and adolescents) especially in light of several high-profile cases involving young people who became violent and homicidal.

Once again, my sincere condolescences.  Your child deserved prompt and efficient medical attention.

There simply is no excuse and personally, I'd be talking wrongful death lawsuit against the program no matter how qualified you believed them to be.  Obviously they didn't live up to their own standard operating procedures.  

Don't think a class action is possible but good luck trying.

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« Reply #91 on: August 23, 2007, 08:18:56 AM »
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Dear AnonyMom of Murdered Kid:

Your son died screaming.

Do you understand what a bowel infarction truly is? It is a piece of the intestine dying.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001151.htm

He didn't die in his sleep. He didn't die quickly. This is not a heart attack. Blood sepsis (the ultimate cause of this sort of death) is not insta-lethal. He had severe systemic shock and fever.

Of course, kids scream in pain in programs all the time. The reason he died there, and not in a hospital, is because his cries of agony were completely ignored. He had severe abdominal pain. Think about it. A piece of his intestine died as the result of God knows what was done to him.

No, he was screaming, in mortal agony. He had to have been screaming, or possibly suffering agony in silence (doubtful- this HURTS LIKE HELL) because he knew very well that no one would listen to him.

No one took him to a hospital.

And now we've got idiots claiming "genetic defect". Priceless!
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One that doesn't let situations get to the point where they're so out of control that I would need to call in someone else to help me deal with it.

BE A FUCKING PARENT!!!!! RAISE YOUR OWN GODDAMN KIDS!!



Absolutely amazing (I just read this tread), if this was reversed and someone was insensitive and treating a survivors story this way you guys would be trying to get them banned.  But since this is a parent not one person steps up to their defense , you are only interested in your own agenda, truly classic, all of you.
This parent did everything she could to protect her family and children.  This whole thing is a tragedy and should never happen to anyone.  
I am so,so sorry for your loss.
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« Reply #92 on: August 23, 2007, 08:23:55 AM »
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« Reply #93 on: August 23, 2007, 08:36:38 AM »
So sorry for your loss.
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« Reply #94 on: August 23, 2007, 09:16:44 AM »
We are sorry for your loss and some of us do understand why placement outside the home could come into consideration, but....

It is the isolation issue and lack of contact with the outside world, which concern us.

A member of my wife's family has just placed her daughter at a home. It was also something with violence when the day was not structured or there was stress involved. It is the local social service at the city hall, which helped her find the place. The child is not allowed home during the first three weekends because they want the children at the school to bond.

But ....

    The child has her cell-phone with her. Apart from time in the classes, she can use it to call friends or family as much as she like. There is no restriction. They also have internet access for some hours every day.

    While the child has to stay at the school, there is no restriction on visititation from siblings and parents.

    The education is the normal curriculum but done in smaller classes with at least two teachers (about 8-12 students instead of 28).

    The local city halls pays and can come unnanounced for check-ups. The school are somewhat pricy and if they feel that they can do better themselves at some point, the child would have to go home to the local treatment.

    The the school year is over, the child goes home for holiday. Christmas and other holidays is the same. The children are not on the school. In weekends they have to decide whether to go home or not on friday, so there is food enough.

    If a child breaks a important rule, they are sent home for a week to think about whether they want to continue attending the school or not.

    You can be sure that the child is driven directy to the ER, when the student complains about their health.


It is the isolation and common belief that every complaint is to be considered manipulation that kills the most of the children.
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« Reply #95 on: August 23, 2007, 09:45:10 AM »
How common is this condition that effected your son? I ask because many deaths are ruled as a fluke freak of nature, like Anderson, but turn out to be more down to earth.

Also many programs have Professional staff that are hardly ever at the program. I would look into that as well to see if what you were promised matched reality.

Anyway, that's all that comes to mind now(I been up all night, brains tired) but sorry for your loss. Try to understand that most of the posters here have endured a reality more painful then many could ever imagine. Some are hostile towards parents, others very blunt when it comes to the realities of this industry. Don't take it personally..

Also if you want real help from forum members, to tap into their knowledge of the industry, pm someone who seems helpful with questions, like psy, Deborah, or ZenAgent. I think that would get you more of what you're looking for then observing a thread.

Goodluck....

P.S, I know parents don't want to hear this, but these programs are not the answer to helping difficult kids. You can't force therapy and expect not to have bad consequences result from it. The tragedies that you here about(Deaths) and the ones that you don't(PTSD, Suicide, Abuse) will continue as long as we look to these programs as an option.
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« Reply #96 on: August 23, 2007, 11:15:38 AM »
Wow. He really should have punched you in the face harder and/or hit something vital with that pitchfork.
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« Reply #97 on: August 23, 2007, 11:49:57 AM »
August 22, 2007

Trina Packard, Executive Director of Youth Care residential treatment center in Draper, Utah, today announced that Denice Dunker has been appointed Admissions Director.

Denice comes to Youth Care with over 25 years of sales and management experience, and a demonstrated ability to effectively increase productivity. She has worked in admissions since 2001, for the Minnesota School of Business and, most recently, for Utah Career College where she received top honors for achieving the highest number of enrollments in April 2005.

"We are thrilled to have Denice on our team," said Packard. "She brings years of sales, management and school admissions experience to this position, and we look forward to her contributions to enhance Youth Care's service to parents and referring professionals."
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« Reply #98 on: August 23, 2007, 12:05:48 PM »
wow. wonder what happened to the last admissions director. seems like the person bailed right after the death...
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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2007, 12:19:47 PM »
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Dear AnonyMom of Murdered Kid:

Your son died screaming.

Do you understand what a bowel infarction truly is? It is a piece of the intestine dying.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency ... 001151.htm

He didn't die in his sleep. He didn't die quickly. This is not a heart attack. Blood sepsis (the ultimate cause of this sort of death) is not insta-lethal. He had severe systemic shock and fever.

Of course, kids scream in pain in programs all the time. The reason he died there, and not in a hospital, is because his cries of agony were completely ignored. He had severe abdominal pain. Think about it. A piece of his intestine died as the result of God knows what was done to him.

No, he was screaming, in mortal agony. He had to have been screaming, or possibly suffering agony in silence (doubtful- this HURTS LIKE HELL) because he knew very well that no one would listen to him.

No one took him to a hospital.

And now we've got idiots claiming "genetic defect". Priceless!
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One that doesn't let situations get to the point where they're so out of control that I would need to call in someone else to help me deal with it.

BE A FUCKING PARENT!!!!! RAISE YOUR OWN GODDAMN KIDS!!


Absolutely amazing (I just read this tread), if this was reversed and someone was insensitive and treating a survivors story this way you guys would be trying to get them banned.  But since this is a parent not one person steps up to their defense , you are only interested in your own agenda, truly classic, all of you.
This parent did everything she could to protect her family and children.  This whole thing is a tragedy and should never happen to anyone.  
I am so,so sorry for your loss.


Please remember that this post is one post by one person and does not represent everyone on fornits. Your here.. does it represent you?  This was most likely written by a person who is a survivor of the programs and he/she is very upset that the programs may be getting one over on her.  If the child had a medical issue, that was not induced by staff... it was ignored by staff.  He should have been taken to the doctor immediately.  The pain must have been unbearable.
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« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2007, 03:20:29 PM »
In the event that neglect, abuse, mosestation and OR a death occurs in the "lucrative, unregulated, out-of-control "TEEN HELP" industry, I feel those who were last responsible for the "health and safety" of the 'child' should be held accountable.  

I too was put on trial after the death of My Michelle.  I have often stated, "If I had DONE TO Michelle what was DONE TO her, I would have been placed in a cell.  I'm tired of being on trial for the death of my daughter.  Since her death I have crusaded for a "law" to say "What happened to your 'child' is NOW against the law!!!!!
There never should have been a controversy over "what is right" when it comes to HOW children are being treated in this industry.  In my opinion, there is a fine line between therapy and abuse.  The "TEEN HURT" industry has crossed this line too many times.

I feel the above poster who attacked the parent of the most recent victim to this industry has some deep, hurtful, wounds.  

I believe that when a 'person/child' is already hurting inside, and placed in a abusive program (knowingly or unknowingly by the parent/parents), he/she will come out of the program with deeper hurt than before.  Pain upon pain is never gain.  This only compacts the already existing problems.  I understand this.  Why doesn't this stupid industry understand this?  I guess the reason I understand this so well is because I come from an abusive childhood.  A sadistic Step-Parent who got his kicks out of playing mind games with my Mother's children.  Using us as tools against one another was one of his favorite kicks.  Sick person who needed help!

If you want to see how this industry continues to get away with what they are doing to children.  Attend one of the trials.  I saw first hand how Steve Cartisano, AKA, Scott Richard's, Steve Michael's and his attorney's were able to work the system and get him off.  I also attended the Aaron Bacon trial and watched as the Judge allowed the controversy into the courtroom.  The Judge went so far as to point out that one stack of letters on his desk was thicker than the other stack.  I believe the stack that was in favor of the programs did have a swaying factor in his decision.

If you want to do something that can truly help in this fight for truth, and what is right, send a letter to your Congressman AND Congressman Miller in support of the "End Institutionalized Child Abuse" bill.  Vent your feelings to those who CAN make a difference.

I have mentioned before that in the early days of my crusade, after many calls to Washington DC, they put me in contact with a man by the name of Mitch Kurman.  His son died in a canoe (accident) while on a Boy Scout outing.  Mitch Kurman was influential in getting Congressman Christopher Shays, Connecticut, to introduce the Recreational Camp Safety Act Bill HR2132.  Washington tacked my cause and concern onto this bill and said it was the best I would get.  A section  on Wilderness Therapy Programs was added to this bill.  In the end, this bill was voted FOR 50-0, and later killed behind closed doors.  Get the picture??  Politics and greed are the reason why criminal minded people are governing this lucrative industry.  Judges who rule IN FAVOR of the programs are partly culpable.  DHS is also partly culpable for the neglect, abuse, molestation, and OR death of children who fall victim to this industry.

I have waited a long time for the children who were victimized through the neglectful hands of this lucrative, out-of-control industry to step up, and step forward, without fear, and tell their stories of what happened TO THEM in the "name of help and therapy."  

Write your Congressman.  Write to Congressman Miller.  I have information in my files showing that Congressman Miller truly cares about what is taking place in this industry.

Truth is healing!  Please tell your stories.............
I believe you.  So will others!

Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund, Inc.
Catherine Sutton
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« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2007, 03:26:24 PM »
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« Reply #102 on: August 23, 2007, 04:49:15 PM »
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When the choice is between juvie or an abusive hellhole like Draper, CHOOSE JUVIE.

Dear AnonyMom of Murdered Kid:

Your son died screaming.

Do you understand what a bowel infarction truly is? It is a piece of the intestine dying.

One that doesn't let situations get to the point where they're so out of control that I would need to call in someone else to help me deal with it.

BE A FUCKING PARENT!!!!! RAISE YOUR OWN GODDAMN KIDS!!

The therapy program at Youth Care had acutally been extremely detrimental to this boy, and they had started planning for his return home as a suitably humiliated and beaten-down kid. Jesus I'm getting a hard-on just writing this. He wasn't going to see his mother again, and the changes he exhibited in his interpersonal relationships were profound. He learned how to pretend to be a willing participant in his treatment program, understood nothing whatsoever about any real disorder he may have had, and was forced to admit that he needed be there. God I love doing that to kids, hold on while I fap... FAPFAPFAP. Okay, I'm ready for more. He was repeatedly abused while in this program, mom never visited (like I said earlier, she would have had to go ALL THE WAY TO UTAH!) and he had no outside contact with family and friends whatsoever. He was very outspoken about the rights of kids with disabilities, until we beat THAT out of him, having been subjected to cruel bullying in Draper, and learned to participate in the brutalization of several other kids, especially after we taunted him about his dad. What he wouldn't have given to be back in real high school again.

She is a dumb cunt, who will no doubt become a strong advocate against the rights of teens in treatment programs. Her son was on the autism spectrum, which means that we can do anything we want to him because he'll never be able to speak for himself (Well especially not now that he's dead! Hahaha!)


Dear Guest - I assume the same hurtful person is making all of these posts, and I apologize if I insinuated that everyone on this site is this idiot. You are apparently wallowing in self pity. I understand that there are some people on this forum who are concerned about the industry, but your words indicate you are a bitter person and stuck in a rut. I'm sorry if YOU were taken to a treatment programs against your will. I'm sorry if YOUR parents did not care about you, but that does not give you the right to blast me for the decisions I made.  My son was not sent against his will, nor was he unloved or abandoned, he went willingly, and preferred his treatment program to his public school, where he was bullied and humiliated daily because of his Aspgerers. He was tired of his anger issues and communication issues, getting arrested, losing control, etc. My son is dead, and his death was preventable. I could be bitter and spout poison insults at a lot of people right now. Instead, I am collecting as much FACTUAL and VERIFIABLE information that I can so that I can have a voice, make phone calls, write some intelligent letters to those elected officials who have the power to make changes. I am trying to look at the big picture and not get bogged down by my anger about my son. I will advocate for the rights of kids to get necessary medical attention and not be denied care by an unqualfied staff person. I guarantee the 2 staff who let my son die will never work in this industry again. Thanks to people like Cathy Sutton changes have been made, and some deaths have been prevented. but every child who goes to a treatment program, for whatever reason, has the right to come home. You are too jaded to see any change. Yes I would love to see Youth Care shut down after his caretakers there didn't take him to the ER. I know it will not happen.  Our society values money and power  more than a human life. They won't even get a slap on the wrist, they filled my son's bed within several days of his death, and it's business as usual. I'm betting they sold the parents of the kids remaining there information that they were not respondible in any way.  They tried to tell me that too, but I'm not buying it. Sure I'm pissed off, but use your anger to make difference. Teens have rights just like everyone else, and I'm all for that, but parents, last time I checked, still have the right to make decisions for their children, especially if they exhibit violent behavior and try to hurt others. If my son had killed  his sister, you'd probably be screaming at me for letting him live in my house and "letting" it happen. You sound like one of those bratty kids with entitlement issues. Get some real therapy and get over it. I know something about that. I was abused as a child. I had a major chip on my shoulder as a result.  I got over it. I moved on. I had children. Last year I watched my husband have a massive heart attack and die in front of my children, get recussitated, and suffer non-reversible dementia as a result.  Eventually I had to take him off life support. It was ugly, and I could spend the rest of my life wallowing in a pity party for myself. I choose not to. This summer my mother died of a horrible cancer, and my son has now died at Youth Care. Their numbers were up, but that doesn't mean I'm going to roll over and not hold those responsible accountable. Life throws us some tough curves sometimes. It's all about choices. I know I made the best choices I could with the cards I got dealt.

Oh, and yes, just so you know, I did visit my son in Utah twice during the 4 months he was there. We played chess, miniature golf, went to the planetarium, saw Spiderman, went to a ropes course, went rollerblading in the park, played board games in my motel, and went out for steaks. He was free to leave the program anytime he wanted to follow my rules at home. He declined. He thought that having to go to school every day, doing homework before video games, not abusing me and my daughter, and not fighting were a violation of his human rights. Sounds a little like you.
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« Reply #103 on: August 23, 2007, 05:28:25 PM »
I'm sorry but the more I learn about this boy, the more upset I get that he was even sent to a program, much less one so far away from his home.

I am hearing a lot of "blaming" directed at a vulnerable child who because he is dead, can not speak for himself.

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Re: Dear Guest
« Reply #104 on: August 23, 2007, 05:55:36 PM »
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I guarantee the 2 staff who let my son die will never work in this industry again

Really?  Ask Cathy Sutton about Gayle Palmer.  Ask Joyce about the Sudweeks or Bernie Farrow.  Shit...  Point out one industry member that has gotten anything more than a slap on the wrist.  I hate to say it, but the only way to guarantee industry members work again isn't quite legal.

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You sound like one of those bratty kids with entitlement issues. Get some real therapy and get over it. I know something about that. I was abused as a child. I had a major chip on my shoulder as a result.  I got over it.


What was said to you wasn't right ,but that statement won't make you very popular on fornits.  In the program I was in everybody supposedly had "entitlement issues".  You probably didn't mean it, but that statement is likely to offend a lot of people here.
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