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What do you know about Jane Hawley?
« on: June 30, 2007, 01:31:18 PM »
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Hey, what about going after Jane Hawley? She's referring 50 kids a month to WWASPS programs. Where's the long drawn out posts about her?


This was taken from another thread. Anyone know anything about this Jane Hawley person? 50 kids a month is at least $50,000 a month in fees, that's a lot of bacon.
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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2007, 01:47:54 PM »
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Hey, what about going after Jane Hawley? She's referring 50 kids a month to WWASPS programs. Where's the long drawn out posts about her?

This was taken from another thread. Anyone know anything about this Jane Hawley person? 50 kids a month is at least $50,000 a month in fees, that's a lot of bacon.


Yeah, that's some serious casholla.

Reportedly, PURE was a referrer for Whitmore and placed most, if not all, the kids in that program.

Wonder how much SUE SCHEFF made on that program alone?

Not to mention the WWASPS referral fees she earned from placements made before and after starting PURE.

Anybody know?

I mean, if we are going to talk about this issue - let's be sure we don't focus entirely on WWASPS related referral companies because that is not an accurate reflection of the industry.

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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2007, 02:43:01 PM »
Tim Lowe, the therapist at Whitmore Academy--who sometimes performed the duties of admissions , reported that all the placements at Whitmore Academy came through Sue Scheff/Pure; and that Scheff "received a 10% referral fee."

Reading the Whitmore postings; it appears parents were paying approximately $4,000 - $4,800 per month.
If Scheff's 10% was based on YEARLY Tuition---that's a lot of money!

In November 2004, when the abuse investigation started: the Whitmore  enrollment was about 35-40 "students."  The number varies in  media reports, because some parents  withdrew their children when notified of the abuse allegations/investigation.
 But, Scheff continued to enroll students during this investigation of abuse; so the true number of students after November 2004 is anyone's guess.

And who can guess what "deal Scheff and the Suds had?"  Many children didn't remain at Whitmore a FULL YEAR.  Did Scheff get her FULL 10% for simply enrolling the kid? There were lots of "students" coming and going.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2007, 03:05:08 PM »
Is someone jealous that this Jane Hawley was/is better at selling the god-awful abusive WWASP programs than "she" was/is?
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2007, 03:38:10 PM »
You want to ignore WWASPS and I really don’t get that other than you know Sue won a lawsuit against them and it’s just another way to get back at her. Minimize her winnings. Well, then there’s some of you who sold out to WWASPS and were silenced. Not everyone’s been silenced, not everyone sold out!

Let’s take a few things into consideration and then see who it is that we should really be targeting here.

Below are some numbers, just averages, nothing for sure. I think it’s fairly accurate.

This would mean that an average of 3,450 kids a year live in WWASPS programs.

There would be about $3,450,000 to go around for referral fees to their marketing teams and parents who refer to them.

It’s said some marketing folks make $600,000 or so a year.

And for the total money WWASPS could be bringing in each year, looks like around $129 Million.

Crap, I just don’t think Sue is going to meet this quota, not this year, not any year. Get over this folks. Look at the numbers and they speak for themselves.

Look at the transcripts, read beyond what you are being fed here and see Sue only made $12,000 for PURE for an entire year which was probably more than her costs.

TB – low in numbers now but in its day had about 500 kids, so I heard. Let’s average $30,000 for 400 kids and that’s $12,000 Million dollars a year.

CCM – about 450 beds at about $5,000 per month comes out to $27 Million dollars a year.

SCL – about 200 kids at about $40,000 per year comes to $8 Million each year.

PILLARS OF HOPE – estimate 100 kids at $30,000 per year and that comes to $3 Million each year.

ACADEMY OF IVY RIDGE – in its day probably $45,000 per year, maybe more, with an average of what, 250 kids, probably more. That alone would be over $11 Million per year.

Let’s say that at Canyon View Park, Camas Ranch, Carolina Springs, Darrington, Gulf Coast Academy, Horizon Academy, Majestic Ranch, Midwest Academy, Pine View Christian, Realty Trek, Red River Academy, Royal Gorge, Sky View Academy, they each have about 150 kids at about $35,000 per year. Now that would come to over $52 Million dollars a year for each facility. Multiply that by the number of facilities (13) you’d have over $68 Million dollars.

Then you have the marketing teams Help My Teen, Teen Help, Lifelines Family Services, and God only knows who else.

They have hundreds, maybe thousands of websites.

They are linked from probably millions of websites.

If that’s not a little more frightening and tough to swallow than little old Sue Scheff trying her damndest to help parents whose kids have been abused in these programs, well, then I’m missing something I guess.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2007, 03:42:42 PM »
Do you know anything about Jane?

Links to websites? How does this person know she refers 50 kids per month? I am just wondering. List other big name WWASPS referers here, let the world know who they are.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2007, 04:24:30 PM »
///Look at the transcripts, read beyond what you are being fed here and see Sue only made $12,000 for PURE for an entire year which was probably more than her costs. ///


///If that’s not a little more frightening and tough to swallow than little old Sue Scheff trying her damndest to help parents whose kids have been abused in these programs, well, then I’m missing something I guess///


Your missing plenty.

You need to read the transcripts yourself my friend.

You might want to pay special attention to pages 230 and 231; where Scheff admits that she was paid $61,154 on the later half of 2001, by Sorenson's; Oakridge military Academy and Red Rock.

Thats just three program's payments, for half a year.  

Do the math friend. What do you think she is grossing these days? What ever it is, Its not pocket change.

And frankly, I find it frightening and tough to swallow that so many want to pretend this woman is any kind of family advocate.
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2007, 04:36:09 PM »
Let's see:  40 kids
Approximately $4,500 per month X 12 months X 40 Kid = $2,160,000.00

10% of $2,160,000  would be seem to be about $216,000 in REFERRAL FEE wouldn't it?

That seems like a nice little CASH COW, now doesn't it?

And that's just one little program in some tiny little hick town in UTAH, isn't it?

Poor little SS---BIG BAD JANE HAWLEY.
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2007, 04:41:29 PM »
no one is forgetting about WWASP. or the fact that scheff referred children to WWASP both BEFORE and AFTER she started PURE.  some posters believe scheff continues to refer to WWASP today.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2007, 04:44:58 PM »
Has Jane Hawley ever had a daughter enrolled in a WWASP facility, and accused WWASP of abusing her own daughter; and then continued referring children to WWASP for referral fees, like Sue Scheff did?
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2007, 04:54:43 PM »
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no one is forgetting about WWASP. or the fact that scheff referred children to WWASP both BEFORE and AFTER she started PURE.  some posters believe scheff continues to refer to WWASP today.


Whoever is trying sooooo hard to MINIMIZE Sue Scheff's referral business needs to follow Buzz's advice and really READ the Wwasps v. PURE trancripts instead of trying to spoon fed Fornits a bunch of crap.

Second, you seem to forget that Scheff, like WWASPS referrers, is paid a finder's fee.  This is a HUGE conflict of interest by any standard.

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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2007, 04:57:49 PM »
Oops, this quote wasn't directed to the guest posting about no one forgetting about WWASPS, it was meant for the attention of the CAICA/PURE apologist.

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Whoever is trying sooooo hard to MINIMIZE Sue Scheff's referral business needs to follow Buzz's advice and really READ the Wwasps v. PURE trancripts instead of trying to spoon fed Fornits a bunch of crap.

Second, you seem to forget that Scheff, like WWASPS referrers, is paid a finder's fee.  This is a HUGE conflict of interest by any standard.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2007, 04:58:18 PM »
Yeah, but Sue-Everyone Scheff has an infinity of threads.

Jane just has this one.

Who is this cunt anyway?
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2007, 06:01:39 PM »
There's plenty of documentation on Scheff.
Let's see some documentation that this Jane Hawley actually refers "50 kids per month to WWASP" before going off on her.
This could just be more DEFLECTION away from the Izzy/Scheff discussion.

Where's the documentation about the number of referrals this Hawley woman generates per month?
Has Hawley ever had a kid in a WWASP program?
Where does she live/work?
Has she been named in the Turley lawsuit?
Was she ever "friends" with Scheff?
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2007, 06:28:14 PM »
What are the names of the referral companies in the Turley lawsuit and is this case being ruled on by the judge?  E.G. Motions filed by either plaintiffs or defendants?  Seems to me that should be happening given when it was filed.  THink I might need to sign up for PACER and start following this case.

How about those who have Pacer accounts set up something on Fornits to share with readers, like Fornits did during the WWASPS v. PURE trial?

Might make for some good discussion and insight into the legal process.
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