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« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2006, 01:26:00 PM »
Of course this is not ATOMIC ANT.
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« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2006, 01:36:00 PM »
ATOM: you really do need to read the transcript and be "informed."
Sue Scheff was "sued by WWASP" and WWASP lost the lawsuit.
Sue Scheff did not WIN anything, except the right that EVERYONE ALREADY HAD---"freedom of speech."

Which happens to be a "right" that Sue Scheff happens to forget that EVERYONE ELSE has also--the right to criticize bad a referral agency, like PURE.

Sue Scheff did not really win anything, and is not some HERO MOM.
Everyone had, and has "freedom of speech" and the RIGHT to speak out against abusive programs, and the referral agents who referred parents and children to these abusive programs--PURE, included.
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« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2006, 01:37:00 PM »
What action do you think she filed/ financed against wwasp?
I'm not aware of any.

What makes the money paid PURE unethical, is the fact the Programs pay it. This creates a situation where by she has motivation to refer children to the programs that pay her, weather or not they are the best choice for the child.

Until the situation at Whitmore came to light, many gave her the benefit of the doubt; believing her when she said this controversial practice had no bearing on what programs she referred to. Or, it was at least believed she would not refer to any program with reports of emotional and physical abuse.

The unfolding of events concerning the Whitmore mansion proved beyond any doubt she was strongly motivated by money, as the reports of serious abuse were ignored - and those making the reports were attacked. She even saw fit to attack her "friends" who were only trying to persuade her to stop referring until the situation was settled, one way or the other.

What ever you have been lead to believe - I know of nothing to indicate any of this money she makes with PURE goes to fight WWASP, or any other abusive program. Not that I do her books mind you - but if she were funding legal actions as you seem to believe - or anything else of much significance - I do a little doubt she'd keep it a tight secrete.

I think the best evidence suggest she discovered a big fat cash cow when she began doing the referrals for wwasp. She discovered how easy it is to hook and real in the stressed out and ignorant parents of troubled teens - and how much money could be made - and she made the decision to take full advantage of this.

Personally, as a result of learning how long she continued to refer to WWASP, and why she eventually quit; as well as what little concern she had for the children at her Whitmore program; I feel she'd still be sending them students to this day, if her pals at teen help hadn't put a crimp in her cash flow. Seems to me, it was at that point her vindictive streak came into play, and she began to speak out against them.

Maybe some detail oriented person will make us a time line one day. That might help clarify a few things.
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« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2006, 02:01:00 PM »
Holly crap, you folks are coming at me left and right :smile: That's fine though. A few points i'd like to make:

Someone has offered to send me the transcripts, so i'll go through them.

I never said i'm supporting Sue or PURE. I simply stated my thoughts as to why it *MAY* be ethical to receive funds from non-wwasp referrals to fight WWASP. The transcripts may tell a different story and i'm 110% willing to accept that because, as i said, i'm not supporting her.

I'm not "ATOM ANT". Actually, A.T.O.M. is an acronym i made up when i used to play CS:

Autonomous
Tactically
Offensive
Mechanism

:smile:

Why i used it here i don't know. I went by my usual "atomizer" on the other anti-abuse/anti-wwasp forums.

As far as her legal actions AGAINST wwasp, now that you mention it, i'm not aware of any. I apologize for not being clear. What i was referring to as far as her costs for legal fees was taken from the French docu. which stated that Sue has spent in excess of 1 million dollars fighting WWASP.

As far as whether anyone thinks that was wasted on a constitutional right we all have already, think again! Our "guaranteed" right are under attack all the time and must be defended - all the time. Some have already been wiped from the books, such as YOUR right to privacy by the Patriot act. The internet, as a whole, is now under attack.
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« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2006, 02:03:00 PM »
Buzz,
The WWASP transcript gives a "time-line:"
Sue Scheff enrolled her daughter at Carolina Springs Summer 2000.
She removed her daughter January 2001.
Scheff established Pure February 2001.

Page 165 of the WWASP transcript:
"PURE was established as a 501(c) under the PURE Foundateion, and later changed within a year to a S-Corp."  From a non-profit to a profit.(Scheff testimony).

Kevin Richey testimony:

He testified he worked for Teen Help for 7 years.
Page 219
"Sue Scheff had a lot of referring parents that were coming into the program.  I was doing my best to help her get paid on the referrals."

Question:
"How long did Scheff continue to send referrals?"

Richey:
"August of the year I left...2001"

Recap:
PURE was established in February 2001.
Scheff continued to send referrals to WWASP until August 2001.

Add it up Ladies and Gentlemen:
Ms. Scheff was sending children to WWASP programs for MONTHS; and at the same time referring children to other "not so UN-ABUSIVE programs" through PURE.

Now, how does a MOM criticize/accuse WWASP for abusing her OWN DAUGHTER, and continue to send other parents and their children to these "abusive WWASP PROGRAMS?"

HOW does anyone do THAT?
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« Reply #80 on: July 14, 2006, 12:13:49 PM »
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« Reply #81 on: July 14, 2006, 01:36:26 PM »
She didn't send anyone else to WWASP once she realized the programs were abusive. Get your facts straight. She was a parent who fell for WWASP like so many others. She woke up and saw what they were made of and then decided to speak out against them. She paid a high price for doing so and continues to help families. Many people just don't get it. Kids will go to programs and if there are not alternatives they will most likely go to the biggest and the most easily found - WWASP. Look at the bigger picture and maybe you can all get out of this bashing and move on to help kids.
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« Reply #82 on: July 14, 2006, 01:52:02 PM »
And now she sends kids off to places like Whitmore.  Sue Scheff is nothing but another snakeoil salesman.  She pretends to be a safe alternative and uses the abuse her daughter suffered to dupe vulnerable parents into sending their kids off to other programs and enhance her bank account.  She just refers to WWASPS competition.  It's really no different.
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« Reply #83 on: July 14, 2006, 02:27:17 PM »
And you know this personally? Or just what you read here ... there is always another side to every story.
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« Reply #84 on: July 14, 2006, 02:48:17 PM »
Then inform me.  Tell me what I've got wrong.  She refers to TBS schools, correct?  She referred several people to Whitmore, correct?  Even after the abuse allegations came to light, correct?  

What have I got wrong?
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« Reply #85 on: July 14, 2006, 02:57:17 PM »
Besides Whitmore, Scheff also referred to New Horizons and Skyline Journey, correct?
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« Reply #86 on: July 14, 2006, 03:01:28 PM »
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject:    

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A post from that link:

This is a COMPLETE list of PURE programs some they stopped refering to for a differnt number of reasons (non-payment and conditional licesing and the program simply ask that PURE stop refering to them then spoke out against them.


Red Rock Academy
Cedar Mountain Academy
Sorenson?s Ranch
Lost Legacy Ranch
Oak ridge military academy
Turning Point
Reality Ranch
Summit Achievement
Skyline Journey
Glacier Mountain Academy
Kids Peace
Harbor House for Girls
Safe Harbor
Harbor House for Boys
High Top Ranch
New Horizons Youth Ministries
Whitmore Academy
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« Reply #87 on: July 14, 2006, 11:29:55 PM »
To the ANON defending Sue Scheff,
There are documents  to read about Sue Scheff that are available to the public other that "what you read here."
There's Sue Scheff's deposition that she gave for the WWASP vs PURE trial which is filled with "Sue Scheff lies."
Examples:
  Scheff claimed she had a degree:  LIE
  Scheff claimed to have lawyers and psychologists on her staff: LIE
    She merely had an office in the same OFFICE BUILDING with attororneys and psychologist.
   Scheff claimed credentials she was lacking.
   ETC ETC......
And there is the WWASP vs PURE transcript, itself which presents tesitmony about her referral business and how she was paid by WWASP and other PROGRAMS for referring children to these abusive programs.
Read it for yourself.
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« Reply #88 on: July 17, 2006, 06:41:12 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
To the ANON defending Sue Scheff,
There are documents  to read about Sue Scheff that are available to the public other that "what you read here."
There's Sue Scheff's deposition that she gave for the WWASP vs PURE trial which is filled with "Sue Scheff lies."
Examples:
  Scheff claimed she had a degree:  LIE
  Scheff claimed to have lawyers and psychologists on her staff: LIE
    She merely had an office in the same OFFICE BUILDING with attororneys and psychologist.
   Scheff claimed credentials she was lacking.
   ETC ETC......
And there is the WWASP vs PURE transcript, itself which presents tesitmony about her referral business and how she was paid by WWASP and other PROGRAMS for referring children to these abusive programs.
Read it for yourself.


Know her address? Ill make a trip out of it and just go to her nick-of-the-woods and see for myself  8)
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« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2006, 08:51:26 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject:    

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A post from that link:

This is a COMPLETE list of PURE programs some they stopped refering to for a differnt number of reasons (non-payment and conditional licesing and the program simply ask that PURE stop refering to them then spoke out against them.


Red Rock Academy
Cedar Mountain Academy
Sorenson?s Ranch
Lost Legacy Ranch
Oak ridge military academy
Turning Point
Reality Ranch
Summit Achievement
Skyline Journey
Glacier Mountain Academy
Kids Peace
Harbor House for Girls
Safe Harbor
Harbor House for Boys
High Top Ranch
New Horizons Youth Ministries
Whitmore Academy


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RE: KIDS PEACE

July 20, 2006

Ex-KidsPeace counselor admits to sex with teen
He will be sentenced in October on charges from incident at North Whitehall facility.
By Debbie Garlicki Of The Morning Call

A former KidsPeace counselor who had sex with a 16-year-old resident of the North Whitehall Township facility for troubled youths pleaded guilty Wednesday to institutional sexual assault and corruption of a minor.

Jerry J. McChristian, 34, who no longer works at the youth home, told the judge that he was ''pushed'' into having sex with the girl in August.

Lehigh County Judge Robert L. Steinberg asked him what he meant. McChristian, of 2106 S. Lumber St., Allentown, mumbled an inaudible response.

Steinberg noted that McChristian was an adult and the girl was a child and asked McChristian why he did not reject alleged advances by a teen girl who wouldn't have been at the facility if she didn't already have problems.

Whether or not the sex was consensual, the judge said, McChristian was over 18 and the girl was under 18 and having sex with her was an act that would corrupt a minor.

After Senior Deputy District Attorney Matthew Falk outlined the prosecution's case, the judge askedMcChristian whether or not he had sex with the girl. McChristian didn't answer and appeared reluctant to speak.

Steinberg told him that if he didn't want to plead guilty, a trial would be scheduled.

''I don't want a wishy-washy response from you,'' Steinberg told McChristian.

He asked McChristian again whether he engaged in inappropriate acts with the girl.

''I was pushed into it,'' said McChristian, who is free on bail. He was represented by attorney Michael Brunnabend of Allentown.

Falk said that on Aug. 10, the girl asked a KidsPeace staff member if she could make a telephone call. The girl got permission, and McChristian escorted her into a conference room where she made a call.

McChristian and the girl then had sex on the floor, Falk said. The girl reported the incident to someone at KidsPeace, who called state police.

Authorities tested evidence on a carpet in the conference room and found that DNA from the carpet matched McChristian's DNA, according to Falk.

Falk said he explained the negotiated plea to the victim, who is expected to testify at McChristian's sentencing hearing on Oct. 12.

The prosecution and defense agreed to a binding sentence of probation for the charge of institutional sexual assault, which is a third-degree felony. There was no agreement on the sentence McChristian will get for the corruption of a minor charge and no agreement on whether the sentences for the two charges will run consecutively or concurrently.

Corruption of minors carries a maximum sentence of 21/2 to five years in prison.
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