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Offline Nihilanthic

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Re: former secretary of state
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2007, 01:45:53 PM »
Quote from: ""Bunny""
on the news Colin Powell, expressed that the prison in cuba
Guantanamo Bay  should be shut down, this really amazes me that a prision like Paradise Cove, and other school, programs don't even make a bleep on the monitor.
So it really amazes me that people are more worried about known enemies are treated, then Americas children.
Parents worrying about their child going to jail, or prision, or ending up on the streets, all these things and more can happen to your child in a program you signed up for and paid many dollars.
 :flame:


I mentioned that and I got called all sorts of names for daring to put our own children before foreign adults  :rofl:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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Re: CIVIL WAR II
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2007, 04:18:52 PM »
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Quote from: ""Froderik""
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At any rate, the fact that people either do not care about this or APPROVE of it, really makes me want to scream at them "America is DEAD, and you killed it".
Truly sickening.... Is it time for the next Civil War??

Most people approve, or don't care.

So yes if you want a few thousand, maybe a million at most to get squashed like a bug, die, and then be used as an excuse to make everything even WORSE.... go for it.

 :roll:

I know it wouldn't be a picnic, but we would never have become a country in the first place with that attitude, Niles...
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Torture in American Prisons
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Quote from: ""Bunny""
on the news Colin Powell, expressed that the prison in cuba
Guantanamo Bay  should be shut down, this really amazes me that a prision like Paradise Cove, and other school, programs don't even make a bleep on the monitor.
So it really amazes me that people are more worried about known enemies are treated, then Americas children.
Parents worrying about their child going to jail, or prision, or ending up on the streets, all these things and more can happen to your child in a program you signed up for and paid many dollars.
 :flame:

I mentioned that and I got called all sorts of names for daring to put our own children before foreign adults  :rofl:

 :rofl: I think I remember this.. what forum/thread was that on..?
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Re: former secretary of state
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2007, 08:34:13 PM »
Quote from: ""Bunny""
on the news Colin Powell, expressed that the prison in cuba
Guantanamo Bay  should be shut down, this really amazes me that a prision like Paradise Cove, and other school, programs don't even make a bleep on the monitor.
So it really amazes me that people are more worried about known enemies are treated, then Americas children.
Parents worrying about their child going to jail, or prision, or ending up on the streets, all these things and more can happen to your child in a program you signed up for and paid many dollars.
 :flame:


I dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive. Guantanamo does not hold Known enemies at all. it holds suspected enemies for up to as long as 4 years without trial. In some cases if it can not find an exisiting legal charge it will invent one and charge the suspect after the fact. Look at cases like Muju Habibi and David Hicks. Google Michael Mori and see what a decorated US marine has to say about the place.
I agree that there needs to be more emphasis on why TBS is wrong in principal but i see a connection. The idea is not dissimilar because unjustifiable behaviour is justified on the basis of "the good guys" doing what it takes. In the cvase of TBS it is to protect kids from themselves and in the case of Guantanamo it is to protect America from the bad guys
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Torture in American Prisons
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2007, 09:52:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Quote from: ""Bunny""
on the news Colin Powell, expressed that the prison in cuba
Guantanamo Bay  should be shut down, this really amazes me that a prision like Paradise Cove, and other school, programs don't even make a bleep on the monitor.
So it really amazes me that people are more worried about known enemies are treated, then Americas children.
Parents worrying about their child going to jail, or prision, or ending up on the streets, all these things and more can happen to your child in a program you signed up for and paid many dollars.
 :flame:

I mentioned that and I got called all sorts of names for daring to put our own children before foreign adults  :rofl:
:rofl: I think I remember this.. what forum/thread was that on..?


The one where people think saving stray/feral pets and cute endangered creatures was equal to saving kids?

 :roll:
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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Re: former secretary of state
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2007, 10:13:57 PM »
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I dont think the 2 are mutually exclusive.

Probably we'll all be meeting each other in some lockdown facility after they round us up.
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Re: CIVIL WAR II
« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2007, 11:57:34 PM »
CRAZY TRIPLICATE POST!
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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Re: CIVIL WAR II
« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2007, 11:57:58 PM »
Repetitive and redundant, and I said it twice, too.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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Re: CIVIL WAR II
« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2007, 11:58:29 PM »
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Quote from: ""Froderik""
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
At any rate, the fact that people either do not care about this or APPROVE of it, really makes me want to scream at them "America is DEAD, and you killed it".
Truly sickening.... Is it time for the next Civil War??

Most people approve, or don't care.

So yes if you want a few thousand, maybe a million at most to get squashed like a bug, die, and then be used as an excuse to make everything even WORSE.... go for it.

 :roll:
I know it wouldn't be a picnic, but we would never have become a country in the first place with that attitude, Niles...


Froderik, you're absolutely correct.  Niles, you're correct as well.  What we need is a non-violent civil war, with civil disobedience, and pressure exerted on our elected officials.  It doesn't matter how much money WWASP and the rest of their sick ilk ply politicians with if their constituents refuse to re-elect them for not listening to their concerns.  The presidency was a corporate takeover, with Dick Cheney as CEO and Dubya Bush filling the role of dancing monkey, but Congress is a different game.  There are people like Sen. George Miller, (D) CA, who have fought these programs for twenty years.  He's aware the worst abuses are not confined to foreign facilities like Tranquility Bay, the same atrocities are occurring right here in our communities.  

We need to change public perception of teen programs.  If someone had asked me about Peninsula Village two years ago, I would have said "Oh, you mean the place where they send violent teenage sociopaths?   It's a teen prison, isn't it?"  Imagine the shock of finding out my honor roll student step daughter was being sent there by her estranged, deranged and cross-addicted father.  Imagine finding out PV couldn't find a real reason to keep her and diagnosed her with those old standbys, ODD and Narcissism.  

We can't enlighten everybody the same way, but films like Over the GW get the attention of people who might otherwise have remained oblivious to the problem.  Maia Szalavitz's book did more to shed light on the subject than people give it credit for.  John Gorenfeld's journalism is sharp and direct as well.

No, we don't need any kind of violent Civil War, but keep in mind the Founding Fathers would demand the ousting of the current corrupt administration if they could see Dubya's Republican corporation.  The original architects of America were radicals who put their lives on the line, nothing like the gutless punks who run the country now.  How would Thomas Jefferson react to seeing the huge influence Christian Fundamentalists have over the GOP?  Dios mio, man, he would shit his pantaloons.

What I've seen recently is precision guerrilla warfare waged by survivors and parents against abusive programs and the people who supply the raw materials (our children) that keep the obscene profits flowing in.  

We've done our best to educate parents, but it's also necessary to make kids aware of the hellish fate they could suffer, like being snatched out of their homes and falsely imprisoned with no way to obtain help from the outside.   So many of these kids have never been in any legal trouble, some are sent away by a physically or sexually abusive parent who wants to avoid being discovered and arrested.

It would be great if we could get into schools and educate the kids about a danger they never hear about.  It's a fucking tragedy.  From my own experience, my step daughter "ran away" from home (she kept sending text messages to my phone while driving. telling me she was fine, and when she reached her boyfriend's apartment he called us before she had even parked, since we all knew where she was going).  She came home, I thanked her boyfriend for taking care of her, and considered the matter closed, as did the cops.  Our girl's biological father had been told of the incident, and    we had her call him to let her know she was fine.  Apparently, he was tanked and started hissing threats at her, the worst being his promise to have her sent to Juvenile Hall.  My step daughter became filled with fear at the thought of Juvie Hall and attempted to overdose.  When I was with her in the emergency room, she told me what her father had threatened her with, and she made the decision to die rather die than go to Juvie Hall.  

The biological father is aware of the circumstances, and claims his daughter was lying.  I found her suicide note when I went home to get some clothes and supplies for her. She had written to tell her mom and I how much she loved us and her friends.  Her real father was no where to be found in the goodbyes.

Denial is the only friend and supporter that monster has.  Days ago, he sent a nasty message to my step daughter on the pretense of "congratulating" her on graduation, but lacing it with insults about the "turmoil" she must be living in with us.  The note also arrived a day after the anniversary of his legally questionable snatching of her.  It scared our girl so badly that she asked to be driven to her grandparents' house for safety.  She was terrified her bio-father was coming to get her.

I e-mailed him and asked him to refrain from the taunting and threatening in his missives, he was performing a kind of psychological terrorism on his own daughter.  He reacted like a man crazed with jealousy and extreme bitterness, attacking me and saying I could "never fill his shoes", and I didn't understand anything since I don't have "blood-ties".  I've spent more time with his daughter in five years than he has, she trusts me and we love each other.  "Blood ties" are not a requirement for loving someone.  I never intended to "fill his shoes", but considering he hadn't stepped into those shoes at all in over two years, I became my step daughter's friend and confidant, and we have a close relationship that means everything to me.  I have no "blood" children, and I feel so fortunate to have my step daughter, because she's the child I would have prayed for.

Let's fight a clean, non-violent civil war using truth as our weapon of mass destruction.

Peace, comrades.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

_______________________________________________
A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2007, 03:08:27 AM »
TRIPLE COMBO
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CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2007, 09:38:15 AM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
TRIPLE COMBO


No shit!  As if that post wasn't long enough, my finger must have stuttered when I hit "submit"!  Sorry...

Eh...maybe I shouldn't mention it, but speaking of posting in multiples, it seems our friend with the phobia concering the dreaded "C" word has disappeared...I have a theory about it, but I don't think this is the place to let loose with that speculation.

Let's all sing, shall we?  To the tune of "Brandy" by Looking Glass:

"And the people said 'Izzy,
you're a sick bitch,
what an asshole you can be
but you just keep on bloggin'
like a schizo on speed

doo-doo-doo, doo, doo doo..."

Alright, enough of that.  It's Monday morning and I've had two twenty ounce coffees, I'm a bit hyper

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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

_______________________________________________
A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 10:07:56 AM »
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
Let's all sing, shall we?  To the tune of "Brandy" by Looking Glass:

"And the people said 'Izzy,
you're a sick bitch,
what an asshole you can be
but you just keep on bloggin'
like a schizo on speed

doo-doo-doo, doo, doo doo..."

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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