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« Reply #705 on: June 29, 2007, 08:02:56 PM »
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Lets be fair here, Sandy never would have referred Patti to Isabelle if Patti hadn't contact Sandy by looking at her myspace in order to create this whole mess. I don't know Sandy, but it's apparent she doesn't refer anyone to any programs, and her only dealings were with Isabelle helping her out. You are making it sound like she makes a practice of this, and that's not fair. Now whose being abusive?


Isabelle became Sandy's friend after they started working together to help get her step-daughter out of TB. She's not married to the father any more and she had nothing to do with putting her there, but everything to do with taking her out of there. If it weren't for Isabelle the girl would still be there but instead she's out.

Isabelle had Sandy as a friend on MySpace and Patti Atwoods (AKA God knows who - got some ideas) contacted Sandy to try to set Isabelle up. Plain and simple. Couldn't get much simpler than that.

Since Isabelle was able to help Sandy she told Patti about her. Made very good sense and still does.

IF Patti had been a real person Jason her nephew would be home safe with living with his aunt and Isabelle would be coaching him and his mother right now trying to keep the family from falling apart.  

Isabelle was doing all the research on the local private school for Jason so if things didn't work for him to go home he'd live a few miles from Patti.

The transport company was only supposed to drive them to/from the airport, not transport the kid. THIS WAS A "RESCUE" as you would refer to it here. THE KID WAS COMING HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And Jason would not be in another potentially abusive environment because if you read Isabelle alerted the family. Yap, pretty qualified if you ask me.

By the way what qualifications do ISAC's have? You know William and Shelby? They claim they help families. How so? What are they doing and recommending?

PRETTY SIMPLE REALLY - ISABELLE DID THE RIGHT THING!
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« Reply #706 on: June 29, 2007, 08:05:09 PM »
And I was defending Sandy and what has been done, and what is continuing to be done to her and her family.  Why don't you just leave her out of this.

Why don't you leave Isabelle alone and let her continue doing the work she was doing.  And not the stuff you guys are accusing her of.

Like I said, if you guys really wanted to do something, you'd be doing something in congress, getting bills passed, going after the big fish.
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« Reply #707 on: June 29, 2007, 08:07:07 PM »
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« Reply #708 on: June 29, 2007, 08:13:19 PM »
Man, the more these Isabelle apologists (or apologist, or izzy herself) post the deeper the hole they dig for themselves.

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« Reply #709 on: June 29, 2007, 08:24:14 PM »
Yah, real fn funny dragging traumatized families through the mud by deceit and ruining other peoples careers.  I can see where that would be really freakin' funny.

The universe always pays it back. :evil:  :flame:
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« Reply #710 on: June 29, 2007, 08:33:36 PM »
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Seems to me that Sandy was used as a pawn for the purpose of bringing down Isabelle, and for what reason I would like to know.  I've been to Cathy's site, and ISAC, like no one is making money there because it says referral free zone, yet there are books for sale, memorial funds that are 501 non-profit dated 2007.  Where are the donations for that coming from and going to?  Whose getting kick backs by hyping those books, and programs you have to download to read the information.  Hypocrates.


Well.  First of all.  Stop attacking Cathy.  Cathy has already explained that although her foundation is a memorial fund, she hasn't collected any donations in nearly 10 years.   Books?  Oh yeah.  That sure a hell of a lot more profitable than 10% of tuition like Sue makes.  AFAIK she recommends certain books (so do I, so do most people who find valuable information in books and feel others should read them) but it is absurd to think that there is any financial compensation going on, unlike PURE.  Programs you have to download to read the information?  You mean Adobe Acrobat reader (FREE).  If anybody doubts my honesty, or thinks that I am taking money from programs, I will gladly submit to a financial investigation by a third party.

Second of all.  It is highly unlikely Isabelle would have been as comfortable talking to a complete stranger (she knows people have been trying to expose her little deal with Pure for a long time)  Asking Sandy for advice was necessary for Isabelle to feel like the parent, Patti, was legitimate.  It wouldn't have worked any other way.  Is this perhaps a little unfair on Sandy?  Probably...  However I did not intend on exposing her role in things until somebody claimed that Guest1 was Sandy.  I was actually expecting Isabelle to be  the one to expose that.  Given that only about four people on the planet knew about Sandy, and those people are VERY tight-lipped, and had no motive, I seriously doubt it was one of my sources who decided to bring her into this.  I will look into that further to make sure, but it seems as if it was Isabelle who was the one to post that Guest1 is Sandy.  Perhaps Isabelle told more people what happened, Perhaps it was Sue (she has ample motive, and it's not the first time she has tried to backstab Isabelle, something Isabelle does not know about yet).  In any case, it was not my intention to bring Sandy into this at all.  It is not known whether or not Sandy was/is aware of Isabelle's corruption.  I asked about this and nobody knew for sure "whose side she is on" (ie, is she working as a referral parent or not).  As for who asked who for what, I suggest you check Patti's correspondence with Sandy for that.

Sandy.  Please keep an open mind when reading this thread.  I am sorry for bringing you into this (even privately), but it was necessary to expose Isabelle's association with Sue Scheff, PURE, and associates (ex: Gayle Degraff, Marie Peart).  Google those names.  These are not good people.  Gayle was responsible for the death of Cathy Sutton's daughter, Michelle.  Marie Peart used to work in admissions at Cross Creek Manor (WWASP).  It is HIGHLY suspected at this time that Sue Scheff is, currently, referring to WWASP.

You weren't around when the Trekkers list was operative.  I, and others were.  We were all betrayed by Sue Scheff and a lot came out in the PURE trial about her little referral schemes.  It became very clear that Sue only had a falling out with WWASP when she was caught defrauding WWASP's referral system, at which point she decided to start referring to whoever would pay her.  She got a much better deal.  Instead of $1000 per child, she made 10% off the full tuition.  She would not tell parents she was getting kickbacks from programs and actually explicitly denied it (she lied).  All of this is in the WWASP vs. PURE court transcript.  If you claim to be a responsible parent, who cares about child abuse in this industry, you should read that document and decide for yourself what kind of person Sue Scheff is...

Don't act like Isabelle was/is ignorant of these facts (sworn testimony by Sue Scheff herself)  Patti did not request a program.  It was Isabelle's idea to refer to PURE.  So was the (unlicenced, WWASP associated escort service).  She wasted no time in handing Patti the information for Sunrise and Pure.  If she didn't do the same to you, I am perplexed as to why.
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« Reply #711 on: June 29, 2007, 08:37:42 PM »
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Don't act like Isabelle was/is ignorant of these facts (sworn testimony by Sue Scheff herself) Patti did not request a program. It was Isabelle's idea to refer to PURE. So was the (unlicenced, WWASP associated escort service). She wasted no time in handing Patti the information for Sunrise and Pure. If she didn't do the same to you, I am perplexed as to why.


E-mail from Patti:

Again, I hope to have some type educational plan intact before I confront my sister, and push her to remove Jason from TB immediately. I'm sure that she will not consider removing Jason from TB, without some plan for his enrollment in a summer and fall program.

PATTI ASKED ISABELLE FOR PROGRAMS. CAN YOU READ?
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« Reply #712 on: June 29, 2007, 08:38:44 PM »
From Patti:

Hopefully you can provide the names of acceptable schools; and then I can only hope that these schools will have an opening on such short notice.
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« Reply #713 on: June 29, 2007, 08:43:29 PM »
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Don't act like Isabelle was/is ignorant of these facts (sworn testimony by Sue Scheff herself) Patti did not request a program. It was Isabelle's idea to refer to PURE. So was the (unlicenced, WWASP associated escort service). She wasted no time in handing Patti the information for Sunrise and Pure. If she didn't do the same to you, I am perplexed as to why.

E-mail from Patti:

Again, I hope to have some type educational plan intact before I confront my sister, and push her to remove Jason from TB immediately. I'm sure that she will not consider removing Jason from TB, without some plan for his enrollment in a summer and fall program.

PATTI ASKED ISABELLE FOR PROGRAMS. CAN YOU READ?


And your point is?  Isabelle wasn't be held hostage or forced to refer this parent to PURE.  She could have said --- sorry, no can do ... CAICA is an educational website, it is NOT for referrals.  Oh, and BTW, I have no credentials, unless you count my work as a legal secretary and two years of attendance at a community college.  Did I mention I love kids?  And that Sue Scheff is my friend and colleague and said I could give you her private home number?  

 :rofl: You are killing me Izzy (or FOI).
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« Reply #714 on: June 29, 2007, 08:46:53 PM »
Email from Patti:
(May 6th)
"I have no objections to my nephew attending "an academic boarding school" away from home--if that is my sister's desire. But, I do object to my nephew being at TB, after everything I have read about this facility on the internet. I am hopeful if I can offer my sister other alternatives, that hopefully I can convince her to remove her son from TB, and place him in a safe, academic school that can meet his academic, as well as his behavioral needs."

CAN YOU READ

Yeah, she wanted help, finding a fucking BOARDING SCHOOL.... and not the kind you find on fornits.  Sue doesn't do that.  Sue does "highest bidder", screw the kid.

Edit... sorry.  You're right.  It wasn't Izzy who first suggested a program.  It was Sandy:

"If you think your sister would be open to another program, you really should contact Isabelle Zehnder. I mentioned you to her so she won't be surprised if you contact her. She can give you more information on the WWASP schools and I'm sure she would know about some legitimate programs in the U.S. She's great at working as a mediator in family relations."
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« Reply #715 on: June 29, 2007, 08:49:02 PM »
I am lost, what school did Isabelle refer Patti too?  Can someone catch me up?
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« Reply #716 on: June 29, 2007, 08:52:54 PM »
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I am lost, what school did Isabelle refer Patti too?

PURE, as well as a specific escort service in Utah that works with WWASP.  Read form the first page on.  It's pretty quick and entertaining reading.
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« Reply #717 on: June 29, 2007, 08:53:30 PM »
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I am lost, what school did Isabelle refer Patti too?  Can someone catch me up?


Err ... good question ... nobody knows because PURE doesn't disclose the names of the schools it refers to.

That's ANOTHER problem with Isabelle that should be emphasized since she ADMITS she referred a child that was PLACED in a program, presumably by her pal Sue Scheff at PURE.

WHAT PROGRAM WAS THAT IZZY?

HOW MUCH DID THE PLACEMENT EARN SUE?

Care to share?

Naw, didn't think so.  Better to write another blog whining about how nobody likes you.

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« Reply #718 on: June 29, 2007, 09:03:40 PM »
Yes Sandy, sorry to drag your already traumatized family through the mud just to nail Isabelle to a cross.  Your consolation prize is my half-assed apology.  Nice one Psy.
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« Reply #719 on: June 29, 2007, 09:04:07 PM »
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CAICA is an educational website


The website is educational but there's a whole lot more to CAICA than just a website.  Hello!!

Hey, by the way, what would you have suggested to Ms. Patti? Go ahead and send the kid to another potentially abusive program? Better yet, just leave him in TB. Why should Isabelle care and put herself on the line helping parents?

Care to take that role? Any parents calling you asking for help?

Hey, Psy, what would you have told Patti to do? She needed the names of alternative programs or her nephew might not have come home at all from TB.
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