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« Reply #210 on: June 25, 2007, 09:40:08 PM »
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I do know this:  aren't all of you suppose to be helping parents and kids?  


No, you are, the parent to the actual kid.
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Re: Parent
« Reply #211 on: June 25, 2007, 09:40:14 PM »
THEN:

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As far as referring transport companies, she got that information from me because a so called parent asked her for a referral to one and she didn't have one, so she called me, and I referred her to Sunrise
http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=267495#267495

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She mentioned Sue because maybe Sue did give it to her, but around that same time...[irrelevant distraction]. But off topic here, Isabelle knew I had just used a company but could not remember who it was, I told her it was Sunrise and gave her the number. Sunrise was given a really hard time trying to get my son out of that God forsaken country, we almost didn't get him out.
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Re: Parent
« Reply #212 on: June 25, 2007, 09:42:04 PM »
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 Who am I suppose to trust?


Nobody. This industry has sexual predators for staff and cult leaders for owners, send your kid at your own risk. Who should you trust? Yourself, your own instincts that told you sending your kid away was a bad idea. It's a gamble sure, I hope it pays off. That we all can agree on!
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #213 on: June 25, 2007, 09:43:27 PM »
OH and by the way this is where a lot of people who's families took that bet, and lost... tend to post. For a parent that sent their kid to TB to try and put the burden on them is ridiculous. A simple google would provide information on the facility.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #214 on: June 25, 2007, 09:45:12 PM »
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So why don't you help us all to understand a few things:

Why would Isabelle Zehnder, an "Advocate" be asking you to recommend a transport service? She has other resources at her disposal, and asking a parent for advice is _dangerous_ considering many are paid to refer.

Also... Isabelle Zehnder happened to mention on the phone that SUE (from PURE) had used Sunrise three times. She admitted she got the number from SUE SCHEFF. Not you.

Also. Isabelle Zehnder brought up the Turley lawsuit _immediately_ to "Patti"... so why would she wait so long to talk to you about it? Patti had the same story you are using (kid in TB, needs a good program)

How could she not have mentioned Sue from PURE considering it's all she blogs about.

It seems to me like your purpose here is to establish plausable deniability as to why Izzy would be referring to that service, or have the number for Midwest.
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These are excellent questions, psy.  

Given how IZZY has dramatically ALTERED the frontpage of CAICA (see PURE/CAICA forum) it appears to me she must be very concerned about the implications of being caught "red-handed" referring parents to unlicensed, unregulated transport companies, as well as children's programs through the services of her friends and colleague, Sue Scheff.

Guest1, please take the time to answer these questions which have been posed to you in the spirit of better clarifying your purpose, not attacking your point of view.

Thanks!  :D
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Ooops
« Reply #215 on: June 25, 2007, 09:46:15 PM »
No need to be nasty.  I made a mistake.  No I didn't know about WWASP having abuse problems, otherwise I never would have put him there.  You see, I had already made that mistake before when he was 13 and we put him in Greg Boddenheimers Back In Control at Obsidian Trails.  So thanks for the kudos.  What is it with you trying to make me feel horrible and treat me poorly?  

I am trying to open up to you guys and you're still bashing.
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Re: Ooops
« Reply #216 on: June 25, 2007, 09:50:18 PM »
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No need to be nasty.  I made a mistake.  No I didn't know about WWASP having abuse problems, otherwise I never would have put him there.  You see, I had already made that mistake before when he was 13 and we put him in Greg Boddenheimers Back In Control at Obsidian Trails.


So, knowing that track record (and it's not really your fault, lots of parents get conned) Isabelle still looked to you for advice on a good transport service, which are known to be potentially, very dangerous.
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Re: Ooops
« Reply #217 on: June 25, 2007, 09:52:18 PM »
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No need to be nasty.  I made a mistake.  No I didn't know about WWASP having abuse problems, otherwise I never would have put him there.  You see, I had already made that mistake before when he was 13 and we put him in Greg Boddenheimers Back In Control at Obsidian Trails.  So thanks for the kudos.  What is it with you trying to make me feel horrible and treat me poorly?  

I am trying to open up to you guys and you're still bashing.


Ignore the bullcrap. If you have something to say then say it, and if you have questions feel free to ask them.
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Re: Ooops
« Reply #218 on: June 25, 2007, 09:55:32 PM »
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Re: Ooops
« Reply #219 on: June 25, 2007, 09:56:35 PM »
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What is it with you trying to make me feel horrible and treat me poorly?  


That's what programs, escorts and coercive forced behavior modification consist of, basically. Only you have no choice and can never turn it off and it's real people in your face not just words on a screen.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #220 on: June 25, 2007, 09:59:34 PM »
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Isabelle Zehnder has written articles DENOUCING Teen Escort services....so why would she refer any parent to such a service?

That's a valid question.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #221 on: June 25, 2007, 10:03:05 PM »
Guest 1 ---You used Sunrise to escort your son from TB to Red Rock.

Where did Sunrise escort your son the other two times?

Also:  who advised you to have an ESCORT SERVICE bring your son home from Jamaica?  Didn't you think you--the PARENT -- should go to a foreign country to bring your own son home?
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #222 on: June 25, 2007, 10:04:12 PM »
Another valid question:

After going through the hell of TB: is escorting and transferring to Red Rock Canyon the best place to treat an abusive placement and potentially PTSD? Is the best place to treat an abusive institutionalization another institution?

I have heard of Red Rock Canyon, the same psychiatrist who referred me to Provo Canyon was pushing that school. It smells like the rest.

Of course compared to TB, I bet that kid is sending gracious letters home to his mom. But that's not real, it's relative improvement of living conditions.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #223 on: June 25, 2007, 10:09:51 PM »
wow.. no comment.. keep at it boys.
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Too many questions
« Reply #224 on: June 25, 2007, 11:02:29 PM »
I don't know why she would say they are bad and then refer them, maybe she asked because I said I had good luck with them, how can I say what was in her head?

I used them 1st to Midwest, then to TB, then to RR.  I also used them from TB to RR because it was easier for me to have them go and pull him.  I was scared to go by myself, as the last time I was there they would not let me on campus because of what I was wearing, I figured I would have lots of trouble, and Sunrise had experience pulling kids out of there.  That's why I used them, and as it turned out, they had problems too, which they later told me they couldn't even believe it.

My son is not mad at me, and frankly it was a program or juvenile hall, he didn't have much of a choice, still doesn't.

I can slap myself until I am purple, but the fact is I did what I did, and I am now trying to fix it.  This is not something I wanted to do by choice, but I did have a choice on where I placed him, and I blew it again.  Don't think I don't beat myself up every day, even after being warned by staff from MW not to send him to TB, but would I listen?  NO!  Brainwashed.  Had to stick to what I said would be the consequence, because that's how the program goes.  You have to stick to your guns or else your words are empty, yada yada yada.  

So that's it pretty much in a nutshell, literally.
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