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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #195 on: June 25, 2007, 08:27:35 PM »
Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
I wonder who they guide you to for a referral of a nice RTC?  Das Fuhrer of EdCons, SS?


We already know that for a fact.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #196 on: June 25, 2007, 08:32:30 PM »
Guest 1 - you don't seem to get it.

CAICA (Isabelle Zehnder) is on ISAC's watchlist.

That's not good news.
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Re: The school
« Reply #197 on: June 25, 2007, 08:35:14 PM »
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My son's school is not on the list, it's Red Rock Canyon School

Why am I not surprised.  Anybody else care to explain the significance of that particular school?

Look, Guest1, if you are indeed a parent, you should know you were most likely the victim of ANOTHER con.

Quote from: ""ISAC""
The latest trend involves something even more sinister and deceptive.

Since people have gotten wind of the for-profit referral business, referrers are now teaming up with "child advocates."

These "advocates" will gladly tell you how awful a particular facility is, then direct you towards someone who will help you find an alternative.

We don't know what kind of financial arrangement is going on behind the scenes, but we're sure there is one.

Regardless of what they call themselves, these referrers are NOT qualified to diagnose your child over the phone and they aren't qualified to judge a program as being "good."

And don't forget - they are being PAID to tell you the facility is good.

Quite simply, the internet isn't regulated and the referral business isn't regulated.

We recommend that parents NOT use the internet to find a program for their child.

You just have no way of knowing what kind of person you are entrusting your child to.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #198 on: June 25, 2007, 08:39:51 PM »
Guest 1

You are part of the Turley lawsuit and never heard of Isabelle Zehnder or Sue Scheff (PURE)?

Come on, that makes no sense at all.
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School
« Reply #199 on: June 25, 2007, 08:41:21 PM »
I don't get it when you say "explain the significance of that school"?
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« Reply #200 on: June 25, 2007, 08:44:00 PM »
why is this "poster" replying to Catherine?  Who is Catherine? Why does she assume she is confused?
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« Reply #201 on: June 25, 2007, 08:46:53 PM »
I know of Isabelle, no I didn't know of Pure until today, shoot me.  I also didn't know about the lawsuit until a couple of days ago when another ex-program parent forwarded the site to me to sign up, which I immediately did, and am still waiting to hear from them, however, I just signed up on Friday night.

We never did get a referral from any affiliates.  I told you, another ex-wwasp parent told me of the school.  She had moved her daughter for the same reason as me and pulled her from WWASP programs altogether.  Additionally, she found the school on her own, no referral.
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« Reply #202 on: June 25, 2007, 09:01:01 PM »
Anybpdy have the patience to fill this parent in on RED ROCK CANYON?
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #203 on: June 25, 2007, 09:07:22 PM »
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Quote from: ""ZenAgent""
I wonder who they guide you to for a referral of a nice RTC?  Das Fuhrer of EdCons, SS?

We already know that for a fact.


Yeah, I just wanted to wind-up the Izzmo spin machine.  It seems to be whirling like a dervish already.
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Re: School
« Reply #204 on: June 25, 2007, 09:15:31 PM »
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I don't get it when you say "explain the significance of that school"?


That particular school is one that is most commonly referred to by PURE (Sue).  And after the mention of Midwest, which gives Izzy plausible deniability on having the number (still weak), it really, really seems like you are not who you say you are.

Look.  Maybe you are a parent.  If you are, I apologize for my skepticism.

So why don't you help us all to understand a few things:

Why would Isabelle Zehnder, an "Advocate" be asking you to recommend a transport service?  She has other resources at her disposal, and asking a parent for advice is _dangerous_ considering many are paid to refer.

Also...  Isabelle Zehnder happened to mention on the phone that SUE (from PURE) had used Sunrise three times.  She admitted she got the number from SUE SCHEFF.  Not you.

Also.  Isabelle Zehnder brought up the Turley lawsuit _immediately_ to "Patti"... so why would she wait so long to talk to you about it?  Patti had the same story you are using (kid in TB, needs a good program)

How could she not have mentioned Sue from PURE considering it's all she blogs about.  

It seems to me like your purpose here is to establish plausable deniability as to why Izzy would be referring to that service, or have the number for Midwest.

But since you are really a parent, please explain how this could possibly be.
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« Reply #205 on: June 25, 2007, 09:20:17 PM »
Listen parent, I hope with all my heart that your child comes back safe and alive.......These programs, and  don't have any education, and the whole industry LIES to parents to get money. If you are in doubt you best look up deaths in programs, and abuse.  The folks on fornits are pissed off, and so am I because it is all a scam, and they abuse children.

Also I hope your child does not come home angry and hate you.
Aunt of a non-survivor :flame:
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« Reply #206 on: June 25, 2007, 09:27:38 PM »
Thank you for the apology, I truly appreciate it.

She mentioned Sue because maybe Sue did give it to her, but around that same time, Isabelle had helped me when I was going through the problems at TB, I didn't know who to trust, who to talk too, WWASP parents think I am bashing when I say what happened, and another parent referred me to Isabelle through a website I use for program parents who have been kicked off the school site, naturally, as soon as I pulled my son, I was kicked, and if it was not for this website, which I still use, I don't know what I would have done.  But off topic here, Isabelle knew I had just used a company but could not remember who it was, I told her it was Sunrise and gave her the number.  Sunrise was given a really hard time trying to get my son out of that God forsaken country, we almost didn't get him out.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #207 on: June 25, 2007, 09:30:43 PM »
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Re: Just responding
« Reply #208 on: June 25, 2007, 09:30:44 PM »
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I know of Isabelle, no I didn't know of Pure until today, shoot me.  I also didn't know about the lawsuit until a couple of days ago when another ex-program parent forwarded the site to me to sign up, which I immediately did, and am still waiting to hear from them, however, I just signed up on Friday night.

We never did get a referral from any affiliates.  I told you, another ex-wwasp parent told me of the school.  She had moved her daughter for the same reason as me and pulled her from WWASP programs altogether.  Additionally, she found the school on her own, no referral.


Guest1,

Let me see if I understand this:

You put your child in a WWASPS program and now you are suing them because he was abused?

Sir, Madam - may I ask you what brand and style your vacuum cleaner is since the only way you wouldn't know about this organization's LONG history of abuse allegations (which dates back to circa. 1998) would be to have literally lived in one?

Also, I see that CAICA (Isabelle Zehnder) is indeed listed on ISAC's watchlist and further, there is an entire forum dedicated to both CAICA and PURE that can be found right here on Fornits.

Don't any of these revelations concerning this so-called "advocate" concern you at all?  

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« Reply #209 on: June 25, 2007, 09:37:49 PM »
Additionally

She may have brought up the Turley lawsuit when I was first met her and was going through all this, but at the time, the lawsuit wasn't my main concern, getting my son out hell was.

As for Sue, don't know.  I don't read Isabelles blogs.  I barely have time to read my own emails.  In fact, I have only been on the CAICA site two times since February, and that was to check out her site, and that was just about a month ago and then again a couple of days ago because I found out from a couple of other program parents that TB was shutting it's doors.  Hooray!

As far as anyone referring Red Rock to me, I told you, it was another ex-program parent.  I agree that it sound too convenient, but it's true, I don't know what else to tell you.  I can't really answer anything else because I don't have 1st hand knowledge.  I do know this:  aren't all of you suppose to be helping parents and kids?  Who am I suppose to trust?
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