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Offline nimdA

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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #630 on: June 29, 2007, 02:01:46 AM »
I'm glad you decided to take on this one Psy. If it was me I would have tied the emails to a burning arrow and shot it through the front door of Izzy's house. I haven't the patience for this sort of hell raising.

I'm hoping someone culls through this thread for a selection of highlights and makes one big posting showing a progressive run down of the whole affair, which I doubt is over, as it plays out.
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CAICA SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT
« Reply #631 on: June 29, 2007, 03:18:10 AM »
CAICA SETS THE RECORD STRAIGHT

WHO IS PATTI ATWOOD?

June 27, 2007
Written by:
Editorial Board
Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA)

There seems to be some question as to who Patti Atwoods is and why it even matters. Patti Atwoods does not exist. She was made up by a deceitful woman - a liar and a fraud - someone claiming to be her in an effort to harm Isabelle Zehnder – a Child and Family Advocate - the Founder and President of the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse (CAICA). Patti called from San Antonio, Texas - 210-251-2902.

Patti found Isabelle's friend, Sandy, on MySpace and contacted her. Patti lied to Sandy and to Isabelle. This selfish caller took up over three weeks of precious time that could have been used to help other families. She claimed she wanted to remove her nephew from what she believed was an abusive program.

Why?

It now appears the motive was to try to discredit Isabelle who has devoted the past four years to helping families whose children were abused in teen programs and to provide a service to the public by creating what others are calling the most comprehensive website on the topic of institutionalized child abuse.

Isabelle is not radical - she does not believe all programs should be shut down. What Isabelle is trying to accomplish is bringing awareness to the fact that children and teens are being abused in programs and to find a way to not only stop the abuse but to make those who abuse children accountable for their actions. As a result, the people who are radical, who do believe all programs should be shut down, continue to harass and defame both Isabelle and her friend, Sue Scheff. Sue has devoted eight years to helping these families.

Who are these people and what drives them?

We have seen a pattern that victims of abuse in these programs seem to despise anyone and anything that is not in line with their ways of thinking. Perhaps this is a result of the years of abuse they themselves endured. Many were mistreated in teen programs and they are very angry, understandably. Some are people with their own hidden agendas.

The sad thing is that victims are misdirecting their anger. The truth of the matter is there are kids who need help that their parents and local therapists can't provide. The anger should be directed at those who abuse children. And rather than stay angry it would be more useful to the cause if everyone worked to find positive solutions and to try to get this industry regulated so that kids do not have to continue to endure abuse behind closed doors. It is daunting – there is a great deal of work to be done to accomplish this. But Isabelle and those at CAICA believe it is a cause worth defending.

Their mission?

To attempt to discredit Isabelle by trying to prove she was profiting from parents four ways – referral fees from teen transport companies, referral fees from programs, her new company, Positive Family Solutions, and donations for CAICA.

Isabelle does not refer to programs. Only under extreme cases has Isabelle provided parents a number to call for program options and only once, that she is aware of, has a child been placed into a program under these circumstances. Isabelle did not charge a referral fee and received no money for referring this child.

Isabelle does not refer families to transport companies for the sake of transporting children to programs. In fact, except under extreme circumstances, Isabelle is opposed to the use of teen transports to transport children and teens to programs.

In February Isabelle was contacted by a mother who wanted to remove her son from an abusive facility in Jamaica. The mother hired Sunrise Transport to bring him back to the states.

After weeks of working with Patti Isabelle received a call from her inquiring how other parents had removed their children from this facility. When Isabelle told Patti this mother had used a transport company Patti asked if Isabelle could get her the number.

Patti said the family would be flying to Jamaica the following day. Isabelle, confused, asked why they would want to hire the transport company when they were flying to Jamaica to pick up her nephew. Patti explained the family did not trust Jamaican drivers and wanted someone from the US.

Isabelle called the mother and asked for the transport company’s phone number. The mother gave Isabelle three numbers and Isabelle called and left the numbers on Patti’s voice-mail. Patti had also asked Isabelle to call the transport company to find out if they would be able to do this in such short notice, which she did.

When Isabelle dialed the first number someone from Midwest Academy answered the phone. Isabelle indicated she had the wrong number and called the other numbers. When Isabelle realized the error, she immediately called Patti and left a voice-mail message letting her know the first number was incorrect and that she should not call it.

There was no reason for Isabelle to research Sunrise Transport – they were being used as a glorified Taxi service to drive the adults to and from the facility. Not to transport a child.

Isabelle recently left her legal career to start her coaching company, Positive Family Solutions because she, like others, has to make a living. Prior to that, she has coached parents and kids for years free of charge.

Patti offered to donate to CAICA. Isabelle was happy because she was trying to raise funds for a young man who had been a victim of abuse in a program. He needed money to get his feet off the ground and for medical care. Isabelle was also trying to raise money for families who could not afford legal services.

“Patti Atwoods” wasted three weeks of precious time that could have been used to help others. She continues to do everything in her power to discredit Isabelle. We believe she has aligned with former program victims. Isabelle continues to receive threatening e-mails from a young man in Virginia who claims he was abused at Benchmark. He does not know Isabelle, he has never spoken with her, and he has no idea the work she has done to help families.

He is sending Isabelle and Sue threatening e-mails which are being taken seriously and that have been forwarded to the proper authorities.

There is a fine line between free speech and Internet Slander and Defamation. That line has been crossed.
_______________________________________________

Below are e-mails between Sandy, Isabelle, and Patti

CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN PATTI, SANDY, AND ISABELLE
PHONE NUMBER: 210-251-2902
210 TX -6 S Texas: San Antonio (see also splits 830, 956)

FROM PATTI TO ISABELLE
May 9, 2007 6:53 AM

Hello Isabelle,

Thank you for writing.

Sandy has been so great in helping me., and I appreciate her support and time.

My sister enrolled her son, Jason, at Tranquility Bay in January. This is the first special school he has attended. She chose an out-of-country school because of he has run away before. Besides Jason's behavioral problems, there is much conflict at home, especially between Jason and my sister's current husband.

My sister planned to use Jason's college fund to pay for TB. I am the executer of Jason's college fund and other funds. I have not approved payment of TB, because the inadequate educational benefits; and what appears to be a lack of psychological counseling.

Sandy asked many questions - and I hope she shared the information with you. I will try to remember the important ones: Jason's biological father is not in the picture. I don't know how my sister has been paying TB these past months; or what type of contractual agreements she has signed with this organization.

I'm preparing to attend a conference next week, and need to get things nailed down. I'm a CPA, and I am used to working "a plan." Now, I am confused, and worried about my nephew.

I need a "plan" to present to my sister, to convince her to remove Jason from TB immediately. I don't believe Jason can live back at home, due to the ongoing conflicts, and his own issues.

If a summer program can be arranged, to be followed by a boarding school in the fall; I believe I can convince my sister to follow this "plan," especially if I agree to release funds to pay the expenses.

I need assistance in finding the proper summer program and school for Jason.[Emphasis added] The school must have academic standards, as well as provide counseling for Jason.

If this does not work--then I will speak with my attorney. I have no "custodial rights," and really do not know my legal rights to intervene in Jason's release from TB.

My assistant, Noreen has been helping me research these issues. She confided to me that her brother is having serious problems with his teenage daughter, age 15. They live in Flagstaff, AZ. This girl has been skipping school, using "drugs" (I don't know what kind), ignoring curfews and rules, constantly fighting with her mother, and running around with an older boy they don't approve of. Recently the mother found birth control pills in her purse.

There parents have been talking to an Educational Consultant, and have been told about a school in Utah. Noreen doesn't know the name of the school, but now, she wants to be sure it's not one of these wwassp schools.

I won't make any decisions until the end of school. But, Noreen is trying to help them find a good summer program [Emphasis added], and go from there.

Isabelle, I am not familiar with parent-teen-coaching.

But, I think this would be beneficial for Jason and his mom, if he was away from TB.

Now, he is only allowed letter-writing communications.

I hope I answered the questions you needed.
Thank you for your concerns.

Patti
_______________________________________________

FROM ISABELLE TO SANDY
Date: May 9, 2007 11:36 AM

Hi Sandy,

Patty responded. She sounds legit, but it's hard to say. Please read her e-mail (below) and see if there are any red flags or inconsistencies that jump out at you. I will wait to hear from you before I respond to her.

The only thing she has going for her is that she holds the $$ - if nothing else this child will have money when he comes home (if he ends up staying in TB - which of course I hope he doesn't).

I need to explain more about coaching and how it has helped keep families together. [Emphasis added] It would be nice if she could convince her sister to try that. One problem is the new husband - very common! These new husbands often have no patience for the wife's teen. I've seen this over and over.

And the girl who is going out, etc., she sounds like a teen doing teen things. [Emphasis added] It sounds to me that she and her mom could be helped with coaching rather than sending this child away. I'd have to know more and be sure the child is not suicidal, etc.

Thanks for keeping me in the loop.

Isabelle

_______________________________________________

FROM ISABELLE TO PATTI
Date: May 9, 2007 7:47 PM

Thanks for the info, it helps me understand where things are at.

Please either provide me with your phone number and some times I can call you or give me a call at 360-369-6547 or 360-903-3951.

Thanks, Isabelle
_______________________________________________

FROM PATTI TO ISABELLE
Date: May 11, 2007 6:26 PM

Hello Isabelle,

I have been working extended hours in order to meet various deadlines for clients; and to prepare for the NCCPAP Spring Conference I will be attending next week.

Are you available to talk by phone in the evenings? This would be better for me, since I am constantly interrupted during the day with client calls at work.

I may return home on Thursday afternoon (May 17th); rather than attend Friday's sessions at the conference. II will see how things go at the office; and how things are progressing with these family issues.

Noreen's brother is looking at a wilderness type program for his daughter, but he has not signed any papers, yet.

Noreen has convinced him to look at another option she researched, because she thinks this would be much better for her niece. I't called equine-assisted-therapy, and Noreen is very excited about what she has researched so far. Apparently her niece is an accomplished rider, owns a horse and competes in rodeo type events.

Do you know anything about this type of therapy; or do you know of any programs that include "equine therapy" that may be appropriate for a 15 year old girl?

My sister did not hear from Jason this week; but at times his correspondence is sporadic, which concerns me, even if it does not seem to worry her. But then, I have been reading a lot about TB; so my apprehension continues to grow.

Do you know why this Tranquility Bay Documentary film has not been released in the United States? I read the reviews of this film, and I will share this information with my sister.

I look forward to discussing options for Jason when I can talk to you by phone. Noreen found a few schools/programs during her research that sound promising for Jason.

Again, I hope to have some type educational plan intact before I confront my sister, and push her to remove Jason from TB immediately. I'm sure that she will not consider removing Jason from TB, without some plan for his enrollment in a summer and fall program. [Emphasis added]

Hopefully you can provide the names of acceptable schools; and then I can only hope that these schools will have an opening on such short notice.

Perhaps you can recommend something to help Noreen, too. Noreen says she is afraid her brother is acting too quickly, and needs to take the time to research more thoroughly.

I look forward to hearing what options may be available.

Thanks,
Patti
_______________________________________________

And here is the e-mail that I wrote in response to Patti's very specific requests - the name and number of the transport company used by another parent to transport the adults to and from the airport to the facility, NOT TO TRANSPORT A CHILD AND THIS WAS TO BRING A CHILD HOME - Sue's contact information so her sister could have options - my coaching website - and a way to donate to CAICA:

From: pattiatwoods@hotmail.com
Subject: Arrangements
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:32:51 +0000

Hi Patty,

We just got off the phone so you know the person to contact is James.
His direct number is 435-229-9378. The main number at Sunrise
Adolescent Transport is 435-673-3202.

The person to contact re the programs is Sue at 954-349-7260. She is
aware of the situation so just let her know I sent you to her. I
normally don't give out her direct, home phone number but she said OK.
She has over 7 years experience helping families so I feel confident
she'll steer us in the right direction, if we need to go that direction.

Here's a link to my website regarding coaching in case you want to go
that route: www.positivefamilysolutions.com. Please let the family know I am
available to talk with Jason soon after they pick him up from TB. Often
it is beneficial for me to talk to the child to let them know what is
happening and why. The kids trust me once they know who I am and what I do.

If you would like to help CAICA by making a donation, please go to
www.caica.org and click on the Visa/MasterCard Donate button. We'd
really appreciate it!

Talk to you soon,
Isabelle
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #632 on: June 29, 2007, 03:40:21 AM »
Watch it izzy.  Flooding the forum can get you banned.  Can a moderator delete one of those?

Typical Isabelle Zehnder.  Now that she has been so outed, so publicly humiliated, attacked from every side... What does she do now?  Pay attention folks: she floods the forum with re-posts of her blog in an attempt to make the thread unreadable.

You just don't get it Izzy.  Pretending to be an advocate and preying on survivors for your own selfish interests was bound to upset somebody sometime.  I am not the first (after all, you have an entire forum dedicated to the exploits of you, and your friend, Sue).
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #633 on: June 29, 2007, 06:28:42 AM »
Unbelievable gall this bitch has!
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #634 on: June 29, 2007, 07:03:26 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""



Nope, don't think so Cathy. Your daugther is not the only child who has died, there are plenty of others unfortunately. I don't think anyone would try to take your daughter's story for the purpose of re-incarnating their site. Now that doesn't even make sense. No offense, truly sorry you lost your daughter. But it's no reason to attack someone else. If you're talking about Isabelle I know she spent a lot of money to go be with you at the march in Sacramento because she cared. She doesn't need your story, she's got so many she can barely keep up with it all. Time to move on.

I know ALL too well that my daughter is not the only child who died.  Who's fault is that?


I am glad Catherine Sutton did not move on. it is because of people like you that there is still so much death and pain. I hope doing what she does brings some meaning.
And nobody cares who you accuse of being a "swinger". It is astonishing that you criticize people for libel but spread cowardly rumors and put peoples private phone numbers up on a web site. Go to hell you conniving  bitch  :flame:  :flame:
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #635 on: June 29, 2007, 08:58:19 AM »
Izzy's Disclaimer states she does not refer to programs?
Yet her MySpace friend Sandy sends her emails referring her to Patti who contacted her on MySpace--and what does Izzy do IMMEDIATELY?
Izzy sends off an email to Patti---
REFERRING PATTI to PURE!!!!!!!

Izzy has no medical or psychoogical qualifications to recommend programs or treatment for a child in the first place.
Yet, Izzy takes the word of some MY SPACE contact to refer to PURE?
What the hell?
Is MySpace Sandy iin this kids-for-sell-money-loop-referral deal ?
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #636 on: June 29, 2007, 09:08:12 AM »
Instead of re-posting this distasteful, lie-filled Patti blog on fornits over-and-over; why doesn't Izzy just slap it up over on CA-CA ?
oops, forgot.  Guess few people read that website. Suppose that's why Izzy hangs out here on Fornits all the time, huh?
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #637 on: June 29, 2007, 09:20:23 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Izzy has no medical or psychoogical qualifications[/b]?


And neither does Sue Scheff.  She admitted that under oath at the WWASP vs. PURE trial.

Here... let me explain what "may" be going on, hypothetically:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=22098
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #638 on: June 29, 2007, 11:40:58 AM »
::argue::
It seems to me that no matter how much the argument is made about the  facts, that none on this board is going to believe anything you say in your defense, because of the unprofessional way, the partys in question have showed their true colors, on various blogs.
The people on this forum have been used and abused and they do not believe or trust anyone, after being scammed before, and so heartless by the Industry. Trust is earned, and although most of us have an open mind; the fact is a person was directed to Pure and escort service.  It has already been established that Pure is referring parents to programs, and earning a fee, from the programs, as Pure/Wwasp transcripts.
The fact you are attacking Mrs. Sutton is a sure sign of what kind of folks you are.  
Just go away.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #639 on: June 29, 2007, 12:31:38 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
::argue::
It seems to me that no matter how much the argument is made about the  facts, that none on this board is going to believe anything you say in your defense, because of the unprofessional way, the partys in question have showed their true colors, on various blogs.
The people on this forum have been used and abused and they do not believe or trust anyone, after being scammed before, and so heartless by the Industry. Trust is earned, and although most of us have an open mind; the fact is a person was directed to Pure and escort service.  It has already been established that Pure is referring parents to programs, and earning a fee, from the programs, as Pure/Wwasp transcripts.
The fact you are attacking Mrs. Sutton is a sure sign of what kind of folks you are.  
Just go away.


WTF? They attacked Cathy Sutton? I haven't been following this thread that closely to even know she was posting. I don't doubt for a second this pack of jackals would stoop that low either. Cathy Suttion is an icon in this racket and one of the few who has been given that status with her own flesh and blood.

Cathy Sutton's work has at times inspired me to keep at it when I've gotten tired of all of it.

Hey Cathy don't let the arsewarts get you down. I still, and from the looks of it most of the anons, believe that you are one hell of a person for all that you have done and accomplished.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #640 on: June 29, 2007, 01:40:20 PM »
Crash Test

Don't you think that suggesting someone shoot burning arrows through someone's home shows a perpencity towards violence?
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #641 on: June 29, 2007, 01:48:57 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Crash Test

Don't you think that suggesting someone shoot burning arrows through someone's home shows a perpencity towards violence?

Oh my!  You're right.  BAD TSW!  You barbarian you!

Oh..  It's just so horrible.  It's almost as bad as what happened to kids on a daily basis at Whitmore.
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« Reply #642 on: June 29, 2007, 01:49:13 PM »
No, but their definitely is a case to be made for being a lousy shot. I mean you would really have to suck  to miss Izzy's fat ass.
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Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.
« Reply #643 on: June 29, 2007, 02:00:33 PM »
All I am saying is that you guys are supposedly against violence to chidren, even animals as someone mentioned in a previous post, and then you turn around and suggest violence.  Just taking notice.
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« Reply #644 on: June 29, 2007, 02:04:37 PM »
FYHELLO EVERYONE THE DAY HAS COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE THE LETTER FROM JAY KAY HIMSELF.. ITS ALL IN TExt..

"FIRST OFF CREDIT TO Neo. THe man in CyberSPace.."
                               

Dear Parents/Guardians and Friends,

In order to alleviate any more rumors we felt it was time to notify everyone
what is happening with Tranquility Bay. We have had a great 10 years and our
staff has been tremendous. We could not have accomplished anything without your
support and dedication.

Financially TB is at a time when change has become necessary. With this in mind
we have thought long and hard about our options. The best solution we have come
up with is to basically transplant our Program to Gulf Coast Academy in
Mississippi. I have personally visited the facility and find it to be well
suited for our kids.

Tranquility Bay will continue to deal with Zero Tolerance kids from other
programs. As you know the new passport requirements have held up many, many
enrollments. We are confident over the next few months that parents will get
their children passports.

We would ask you to contact Gulf Coast Academy as soon as possible and arrange
for a transfer of your child. The contact information will be sent to you
tomorrow by your Family Rep. The BBS makes it difficult to put in phone numbers
as well as web addresses.

I will certainly be involved with the Gulf Coast Academy school to make sure the
transition is as smooth as possible. In addition to this Dr. Chappuis has agreed
to assist in a smooth transition. We are hopeful that some of our staff will be
able to work at the school as well. Clearly this will assist everyone.

We do not see this holding any students back, in fact, they may be able to move
a little quicker.

Again, we appreciate your support and look forward to a smooth transition in
this new venture. Remember, change is a good thing.

Thanks and Love,

Jay
to you in private.


YA YOU HAVE IT LADIES N GENTLEMAN!

EMAIL ME FOR MY INFO?



ITS FINAL!I
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