Interesting tidbit from the mouth of the ca-ca fatcat, Izzy.

[Anonymous]

The paranoia runs high.

[Anonymous]

The only thing I see here is that Isabelle felt bad for this so-called parent, and went beyond the realm of what she normally would do because the parent professed to be so desperate, and tugged at Isabelle's heartstrings.  That's vicious.  And I don't believe it was to tie anyone to anyone, I think it was done to destroy Isabelle to better themselves.

So Patti, what's the name of your advocacy agency?  How much money do you stand to gain?  Who are you referring?  Who have you referred parents to?  Come out with it, or are you planning on starting a company and selling yourself as the "better advocate"?

Somthing does smell here, and it's Patti.  Whose using Psy, whose using, yada yada yada

Poor Izzy - maybe she can find a job advocating for disgraced child-referrers and former program owners?

[Anonymous]

Isn't Izzy ALREADY ADVOCATING FOR FORMER PROGRAM OWNERS?
Doesn't that appear to be the purpose for the Whitmore Blogs?
Izzy sure seems to be advocating for Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks in these Whitmore Blogs.
Izzy certainly doesn't tell a "balanced" story in these blogs, does she?
There's no mention of Mark Sudweeks' felony conviction of animal abuse in Canada.
There's no mention of the Sudweeks being evicted from Mexico for runnng a school without a license.
Then, Izzy got many facts incorrect about Cheryl Sudweeks' plea bargain in the criminal case at Whitmore.

[Anonymous]

WOW!  Apparently, PattyAtwoods is Isabelle (CAICA) has referred.  In her blog she admits helping to get another child placed in an unregulated program, presumably with the assistance of PURE.

Anybody know the name of that program?

Thanks!

[Anonymous]

who stands to gain by this out and out witch hunt?

Who stands to gain from the witch hunt done by those blogs about Joyce and Carey, and others who have dared to speak out?

Then come here and act like it is sooo terrible to ask questions about organizations who claim to be protecting children, but are collecting fees for professional services without any qualifications.
Attacking parents who are speaking out, and true advocates.

On top of that attacking victims of programs....How professional is that?

Then threaten lawsuits ect.
I just don't get it.

Yeah, really sick, IMO.  Defending WWASPS parents and kids who make allegations of abuse on one hand, and on the other, claiming parents and kids who make allegations of abuse against Scheffie's referred program Whitmore, have some kind of "vendetta".

Izzy have you no integrity whatsoever? You are defending people who have been accused and convicted of animal abuse and who plead no contest to criminal charges of child hazing.

And btw, the question has been asked several times now and still not answered.

What program did you refer that kid too that you blogged about?

[Anonymous]

Q. Have Izzy & Sue ever licked each other?

What a sick thing to say. Just proves the mentality of some of the people who post here.

[ZenAgent]

Q. Have Izzy & Sue ever licked each other?

What a sick thing to say. Just proves the mentality of some of the people who post here.

Blah, blah, blah.  Maybe you're a little too haughty.  If you've seen the TB documentary, you realize some survivors of programs swear a lot and have a black sense of humor.  

This is turning into the New Who Review.  I think it's a distraction to get people to not focus on the upcoming congressional hearing.  Screw arguing with these inconsequential mediocrities, let's put them out of business.

[psy]

double post

[psy]

Psy

Am I reading your post wrong?  Did you actually work in the industry and get paid big bucks too?  Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?  You said the industry is so bad, and you were in a program, yet when you got out you went to work doing the same thing you now deplore.

I have NEVER worked in the industy. If ever I did change sides, i give ANYBODY full permission to put a bullet in my head.

Here Is what I wrote:

http://pattiatwoods.blogspot.com/[/url] )

     My name is Michael Crawford.  I do live in Virginia, as Isabelle stated.  I did go to Benchmark and I was hurt there.  Some parents don't seem to realize that WWASP does not own a monopoly on abuse in, or out of this country.  After leaving Benchmark in 2002, I began to speak out against the place online, specifically, on Tom Croke's website, "Bridge to Understanding Online".  Sue Scheff found my posting, contacted me, and invited me to Trekkers.  As soon as she found out Benchmark was not WWASP, she totally lost interest in my story, or anything I had to say.  I was of no _use_ to her.  Soon afterwards, it became clear that Sue was not interested in shutting down all abusive programs...  just her competition, WWASP.  Had she not tried to defraud the referral system at WWASP, i theorize she would probably still be working for them.  Sue Scheff does NOT care about the kids, and neither does her marketing department, Isabelle Zehnder's CAICA.  They care about making money.

     I am really "that radical", I believe that all programs should be shut down.  Anybody who has actually done enough research into this industry would probably come to a similar conclusion.  There comes a point where an entire industry is so thoroughly corrupt that, even though there might be one or two safe programs, the overall risk is far too high.  Saying "shutting down the entire industry is impossible" is like saying "abolishing slavery entirely is impossible".  Regardless of how difficult it may my, it DOES NOT MATTER.  Abuse, regardless of scope, is still wrong.

     Unlike Sue Scheff, I do not make a single penny of my time I spend trying to fight this industry by my actions on and offline,   Arguably, I could have easily "moved on" or "got over it" but that would mean ignoring the plight of people who, today, are still suffering what I went through (and far worse).  Arguably, I have lost money by fighting this battle, because I could easily be getting paid large sums of money by working in IT full time (as I did, for a while after Benchmark).  There are times when I have sacrificed grades in school, or even missed classes to help fight this industry.  There is no question that I am obsessed.  There is a modern day holocaust going on in this country right now, and it's not just WWASP.  I question the ethics of anybody who isn't appalled by what is going on this very moment under the guise of "treatment".

     Unlike Isabelle Zehnder, I don't claim to be an advocate.  I'm just a survivor who speaks out about his experiences, and takes the fight to those who participate directly or indirectly in abuse.  Educational consultants who refer to programs participate in abuse.  Like Catherine Sutton said, "Look up the word negligent".  Sue Scheff, by her own admission under oath, claimed to be an Educational Consultant, and admitted to functioning in that role for all intensive purposes.**  She admitted to taking money in return for referrals to programs she had not directly investigated.**  Isabelle Zehnder, who claims to be an advocate, not only refers to Sue Scheff, but also To Sunrise Adolescent Transport, who actively work with WWASP.  Like Catherine Sutton said, "Look up the word negligent".  In my opinion, it more than crosses the line into criminal negligence, but that is up for a court to decide.

     As far as the rest of Isabelle's allegations against me and others...  I'm not going to even justify much of that with a response.  I did not threaten her via Email, though in true hypocritical fashion, that is exactly what she did to me.  If there is anything anybody is curious about regarding her allegations against me, please, feel free to ask me publicly, and I will answer.

* see Patti emails
** see WWASP vs. PURE transcript

Edit:  PS: the entire purpose of Patti Atwoods was to find out if Isabelle Zehnder was secretly referring to PURE and/or programs and/or escort services.  It's called investigative reporting.  Isabelle failed the honesty test as her actions show she violates her own disclaimer of neutrality when it suits her.  She can scream "I WAS DUPED" all she wants, for all I care, it merely shows how upset she is at getting caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

Edit2:  I noticed Isabelle left some things out when she posted her blog.  Let's set the record straight once again.  Here is the full correspondence between Patti, Sue, and Isabelle:

http://homepage.mac.com/psyborgue/files/Patti.zip

[Anonymous]

Psy the correspondence you posted clears up things.
Izzy seems to have been VERY selective in the correspondence she chose to include in her PATTI BLOG.

Patti made contact with Sandy on MySpace on May 3rd.
In Izzy's email to Sandy on May 8th Izzy informs Sandy that she has sent an email to PATTI giving Patti the phone number and email address that PATTI can call for a "safer program."  PATTI is told in this email that she can speak to SUE OR MARIE.
The email provided is:  www.helpyourteen.com
The phone number is:   1-800-730-7260

One can assume PATTI was to speak to Sue Scheff or Marie Peart; since this contact information is for PURE.

Izzy's raving that PATTI "wasted 3 weeks of precious time....." seems a bit silly.
Izzy wasted no time in referring PATTI to Sue Scheff/PURE.
In fact--Izzy provided this referral information BEFORE there was any direct email or phone contact between Izzy and PATTI.

In PATTI's email to Sandy on May 7th:
Pattis was asking for "alternatives" to Tranquility Bay.
Patti stated she wanted her nephew to "come home...to have proper mental health treatment and to get back into school."
Patti does not mention PROGRAMS.

Sandy's reply:  Patti is to contact Isabelle; and she says if Patti is open to another PROGRAM, that Isabelle can recommend legitimate programs.
This correspondence seems to make it CLEAR Izzy was IMMEDIATELY referring PATTI to Sue Scheff/PURE; and who was pushing PROGRAMS.

[psy]

Psy the correspondence you posted clears up things.
Izzy seems to have been VERY selective in the correspondence she chose to include in her PATTI BLOG.

Why do you think I didn't release the whole thing at the beginning.  It's so much more fun if they lie about it first.  :rofl:

BTW: It was Isabelle who initially suggested the escorts on the phone.  NOT Patti.  It was Patti who suggested the family come along.

[Anonymous]

No one is using me to further their cause. But, if you want to talk about people using people, I can share a story with you about someone calling me in May of last year claiming to be doing a report. I believe this person was using me to get information to use towards re-incarnating her website.  


Nope, don't think so Cathy. Your daugther is not the only child who has died, there are plenty of others unfortunately. I don't think anyone would try to take your daughter's story for the purpose of re-incarnating their site. Now that doesn't even make sense. No offense, truly sorry you lost your daughter. But it's no reason to attack someone else. If you're talking about Isabelle I know she spent a lot of money to go be with you at the march in Sacramento because she cared. She doesn't need your story, she's got so many she can barely keep up with it all. Time to move on.

I know ALL too well that my daughter is not the only child who died.  Who's fault is that?

I mentioned my annual trip to the Capitol to Isabelle in one of our lenghtly conversations.  Isabelle invited herself.  I didn't ask her to spend a lot of money.  It was my understanding that she was going to be in the area anyway with her son who was moving in with his brother.  At one point Isabelle was afraid to attend the Capitol for fear that someone would kill her.  I didn't make her attend this event.  It was her choice to further her cause.

I don't feel I am attacking anyone.  I am, in my opinion, recovering from a bad experience.  I don't understand how Isabelle could think that I would be OK with her empathy for those who are referring  parents into this "industry."  I also don't understand how a Child Advocate could minimize the abuses of kids in NON WWASP PROGRAMS, while stating that the abuses in OTHER programs were not as bad.  I made a judgement call as I gave Isabelle the opportunity to show me otherwise.  This was not something she cared to do.  I feel that I have the right to associate with whom I feel has the same goals I do.  

Most importantly, I don't understand how you could think it would be OK with me to work with Isabelle after learning that the person she chose to team up with not only knows Gayle DeGraff, AKA, Gayle Palmer, but works with her.  According to the WWASP vs PURE transcripts, Gayle DeGraff, AKA, Gayle Palmer, checks out programs for Sue Scheff, PURE.
If this were the ONLY reason I broke all ties with Isabelle, I feel that I made the right decision.  I want nothing to do with Gayle DeGraff, AKA, Gayle Palmer, anyone who affiliates with, or has empathy for her.  I learned the hardest lesson out there that this woman is wreckless and cares more about money than the health and safety of children.

I will be happy to move on when this "industry" is held accountable for the neglect, abuse, molestation and death of the many children who have suffered at their negligent hands.

This is a war of words that could go on and on.................
I shall stick to my constitutional rights and say, "I have the God given right to associate with whomever I choose."  I made a mistake that caused me grief.  I'm not going to threaten to sue anyone.  I just relived a hard lesson.  Next time someone calls me claiming to be working on a report, I will do my homework first.


Sincerely,
Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund, Inc.
Catherine Sutton

[Anonymous]

Izzy doesn't seem to have the Patti blog listed on her blog page. Is Izzy now BLOGGING for fornits readers?  Aren't we special?

[Anonymous]

IMO, this story about some parent giving Izzy the phone number to Midwest Academy "by mistake" doesn't pass the smell test.

Ditto the story about the transport company being used three times by some parent.

In reading this thread - it sounds like it was Sue Scheff who Izzy told Patty had used this transport company three times, is that correct?

[psy]

IMO, this story about some parent giving Izzy the phone number to Midwest Academy "by mistake" doesn't pass the smell test.

Ditto the story about the transport company being used three times by some parent.

In reading this thread - it sounds like it was Sue Scheff who Izzy told Patty had used this transport company three times, is that correct?

That is absolutely correct.  Izzy Did tell Patti that on the phone.  It was not V, or Guest1 who told Izzy about Sunrise.  And that is according to Izzy herself.