New York and Over the GW

[TheWho]

Sorry everyone,  It appears I have my own personal troll, seems she doesnt agree with my opinions, I appologize for her attempt to drive the subject off topic.

[Anonymous]

Read the entire survivor story by clicking here

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. (my favorite)
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon. ( I think he would keep blowing back ,would'nt he?)
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.

There was an event that struck me as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10

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Making fun of abuse victims, all in a day's work for TheWho.  :roll:






During the PURE vs. WWASPS trial some of the jurors cried as they watched video clips of the “Box,” where American
children were reportedly hog-tied, hand-cuffed, duct-taped, starved, and slugged by staff.


When asked about whether using "3 inch tape" or "duct tape" constituted abuse in his opinion, he responded with this - "I, I, uh, I dont know I don't think I'm the right person to answer that question, I really honestly don't dont know that that would be... abuse. I really... (smiling) I know that you'd like to get an answer but I really don't know and I don't know how I feel about it, I uld probably be appropriate. Not at one of our schools but in the public system, and once in a while with my own children I thought, man, that wouldn't be a bad idea." - Ken Kay (President of WWASP)

Photos were shown of children who were locked inside The ISO Box (Isolation Box), a wooden structure no larger than a small closet at WWASP's Paradise Cove program in Western Samoa. Children told of their experiences when they were hog-tied, struck by staff members, and duct-taped during their stay. When an investigation into allegations of child abuse and neglect was initiated, WWASP closed this program.

I was often struck by WWASP's harassment of the parents who testified. For example, Fred Silvester, WWASP’s attorney, was asking Mr. Goodwin, a father whose son was in WWASP’s High Impact, about a comment made having to do with going to look around the "school". In what appeared to me to be a sharp, sarcastic tone, he asks, "And what did you see?" I guess maybe he thought Mr. Goodwin would say, happy kids soaking up knowledge! Mr. Goodwin responded, "Well, I looked in one door and saw a girl sitting with a three inch strip of duct tape across her mouth." Silvester’s back went stiff, as he drummed his fingers on the podium; Then he waves his hand at Mr. Goodwin and snaps, "You just made that up, didn't you?!"

"NO I did NOT just make that up!" was Mr. Goodwin's adamant reply.

It was powerful.

It was during Mr. Goodwin's testimony about High Impact that I learned some things I had not been aware of before. He explained how the staff used cattle prods to terrify the students and keep them in the stress positions. It was either maintain the position, or get a jolt from the cattle prod. They would strike the ground and create a discharged by the kids' heads, so they would know the prod was hot.

Enough controversy, including records supplied to officials that allegedly documented restraints used against children such as handcuffs, pepper spray and duct tape, led the Boonville City Council on Monday to unanimously reject Lichfield's offer.

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha,...this is what happens over time if you consistently refuse to join the majority mind set (mentality) that all schools are abusive here on fornits.
If you are a "Guest" you may consider staying that way if you don’t agree with the group think here (or run the risk of having a personal troll).  This is definitely a good test to see if an unpopular opinion can weather the storm here on fornits.  So far it is working and the attention is generating a lot of interest in the stats from the feedback I have been getting....ya gotta love this forum...this definitely doesn’t happen often anywhere else.

People on fornits dont like my stats too much, check it out:

Latest stats:  Click here


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[Anonymous]

These stats are BS..

JJ .. get a real job that doesnt abuse or torture kids.  Granted there may be a few out there that someone MIGHT be able to come out safe.. but, it is too hard to tell in an industry that is self regualted.  You can not pick the good apples from the bad.  It doesnt pay to send your child to one of these schools .. if you are considering it.. read a few more of threads  you will hear a consistant.. story of abuse, neglect and DEATH.

[nimdA]

I'd be tempted to show up just to watch the crowd if I was back in the Estados Unidos. Be an interesting show even before the show.

[nimdA]

How about someone who didn’t chose to go and agreed to go only because there were few other viable options on the table.   Once there she took advantage of what there was to offer, applied herself, worked hard, made many personal advances thru the help of her therapist and got back on track with her personal and academic life.  She is functioning very well now in the real world.  Even though she attended a non abusive school she survived her dilemma.

Hmm...............from what you've said she sounds like a real success story!!! Although, I have never spoken with your daughter to see what her personal experiences were, or how she felt when you sent her away. Or what she went through while there.I am merely going by what you have said. I think it might be interesting hearing her side of the story? Is she available to talk? Does she post here?

I consider myself a survivor because I never succeeded in killing myself while there. Fortunately, I never killed a staff member (thank god, other wise I'd be locked up still). You'll never really know Who what it feels like to be sent away against your will to a place that's not of your choosing. It really sucks to be left, and forgotton in the hands of people who are not all that nice to you. There might be a couple staff that are decent, but for the most part......NOT!

I was not the only one left and forgotton for 4+ years. There were other girls in my shoes. We had no choice but to take what was given to us.

Well, I think time is relative a few weeks away, a few months to others would seem excessive.  But 4 years seems to be way too much, in my opinion.  I couldn’t have my daughter away that long.  But I am sure other people would say that about me and my daughter being away for 14 months or so… fortunately she was surrounded by people who cared about her and wanted her to succeed.  She did survive what could have been a devastating path which she once was on.

CCM, I am sorry you had to endure such a long time away from your family and support system.  Hopefully you were able to maintain and/or salvage most of the bond you had with your family.  I think what help maintain the bond with my daughter and I were the frequent visits and phone contact.

Evade.. Evade... Evade....

[Rachael]

Oh, I forgot....

Who Free Thread!



Sorry about that,

Rachael

[TheWho]

These stats are BS..
JJ .. get a real job that doesnt abuse or torture kids.  Granted there may be a few out there that someone MIGHT be able to come out safe.. but, it is too hard to tell in an industry that is self regualted.  You can not pick the good apples from the bad.  It doesnt pay to send your child to one of these schools .. if you are considering it.. read a few more of threads  you will hear a consistant.. story of abuse, neglect and DEATH.

I keep hearing the same old chin music, but no one has been able to prove any of the data wrong.  It is an open matrix...send me a data point and I will add it in !!  Lets keep this above board and honest.

You will hear many stories of neglect here because this is a predominately survivors forum (besides myself, Ha,Ha,).  But take this with a grain of salt and talk to your child’s therapist, school counselor, visit the prospective school and ask questions.
If anyone tells you all schools are good or all schools are bad treat this as a "red Flag" and move on.
Dont take the research lightly, this is your childs future, make sure you choose a school that is a good fit.

[Rachael]

I said Who FREE.

[hanzomon4]

Let us know how it turns out, it's much easier to explain what goes on in programs if you can just show people. Isn't there another movie coming out that deals with Kids of North Jersey or is this it? Are any of you planning on taking family?

OT: Last I'll say on this, Who's daughter is a survivor of both program and PRO-gram-ed parent. I doubt that she would be unwelcome, the Who on the other hand is unwelcome. And considering the fact that he doesn't believe children are abused in programs, you folks simply don't exist in Who's world.

[TheWho]

Oh, I forgot....

Who Free Thread!



Sorry about that,

Rachael

Sorry Rachael, too late, this blew up out of a question of what the definition of a survivor was.

I agreed to respect any threads that stated it was "Who free" and I would stay away and in return I asked that my posts not be deleted or the wording altered ....  all I got back from the investigation was that I must have be drinking ... Zenagent had the same problem as I did.
No biggie, I never expected any action, just pointing it out as a warning to others who may decide to get a user name.

[Rachael]

Who Free Thread

[Rachael]

Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.


Rachael

[TheWho]

Let us know how it turns out, it's much easier to explain what goes on in programs if you can just show people. Isn't there another movie coming out that deals with Kids of North Jersey or is this it? Are any of you planning on taking family?

OT: Last I'll say on this, Who's daughter is a survivor of both program and PRO-gram-ed parent. I doubt that she would be unwelcome, the Who on the other hand is unwelcome. And considering the fact that he doesn't believe children are abused in programs, you folks simply don't exist in Who's world.

Oh, Hanzo, relax…  I believe kids have been abused in programs…I just don’t believe they are abused in all programs, big difference.  So now you want to restrict the show to just those people with a certain mentality… very interesting.

[TheWho]

Maybe I'm still a bit naive, but I do hold people accountable to their word.


Rachael

Rachael, My word was based on a compromise that my posts would not be deleted or altered going forward.  This was discarded out of hand...what would you do?