My time at Hyde

[Anonymous]

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations

The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."

[Anonymous]

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations

The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."

 

 I though it was

"I am that I am tough loving you"

[Ursus]

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations

The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."

 

 I though it was

"I am that I am tough loving you"

I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers.  A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target:  errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
 :lol:

[Anonymous]

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations

The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."

 

 I though it was

"I am that I am tough loving you"

I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers.  A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target:  errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
 :lol:

No, no. Forty years in the desert. The original "wilderness program."

[Anonymous]

I respect your beliefs about how Hyde helped you become the person you are. I don't question your sincerity. I've met other Hyde grads who feel as you do.

But none of this takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde was absolutely NOT the right place for me or many people I knew there. None of what you say takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde is also a school that has mistreated many people, emotionally abused many people, and mishandled both students and parents. What is indisputable is that Hyde is not able to meet the needs of many of the students who end up there, and that is very costly emotionally and financially. It certainly was for me and my family.

My family will NEVER forgive the incompetent Hyde staff we met, the staff who were abusive, the staff who didn't have the slightest clue about how to handle some of the deeply troubled kids who get sent there, the Hyde staff who preached one thing and then did another.

I'll be the first to admit that Hyde may "work" for some kids, like you. But I'll also be first in line to scream to anyone who will listen that Hyde is the worst possible school for too many students there. If Hyde only accepted students who fit your description, my guess is that it would have a tiny fraction of its current number of students. Hyde needs to fill beds, so it deludes itself and everyone else that it can handle all the students it admits. No way. So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need. For that, Hyde needs to be exposed. It's fine to publicize success stories like yours, but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.

Have you read the dozens of stories by people posting here about their horrific Hyde experiences, teacher scandals, mistreatment, etc.? Maybe you think all of this is exaggerated. I don't think it is.

Truth over harmony, right?
 
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[Anonymous]

I respect your beliefs about how Hyde helped you become the person you are. I don't question your sincerity. I've met other Hyde grads who feel as you do.

But none of this takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde was absolutely NOT the right place for me or many people I knew there. None of what you say takes away from the hard, cold fact that Hyde is also a school that has mistreated many people, emotionally abused many people, and mishandled both students and parents. What is indisputable is that Hyde is not able to meet the needs of many of the students who end up there, and that is very costly emotionally and financially. It certainly was for me and my family.

My family will NEVER forgive the incompetent Hyde staff we met, the staff who were abusive, the staff who didn't have the slightest clue about how to handle some of the deeply troubled kids who get sent there, the Hyde staff who preached one thing and then did another.

I'll be the first to admit that Hyde may "work" for some kids, like you. But I'll also be first in line to scream to anyone who will listen that Hyde is the worst possible school for too many students there. If Hyde only accepted students who fit your description, my guess is that it would have a tiny fraction of its current number of students. Hyde needs to fill beds, so it deludes itself and everyone else that it can handle all the students it admits. No way. So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need. For that, Hyde needs to be exposed. It's fine to publicize success stories like yours, but Hyde also should be honest and admit its unbelievable shortcomings and failures.

Have you read the dozens of stories by people posting here about their horrific Hyde experiences, teacher scandals, mistreatment, etc.? Maybe you think all of this is exaggerated. I don't think it is.

Truth over harmony, right?
 
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[Ursus]

I've been thinking about blove82's post, and wondering whether blove82 might not regret ever having posted said musings, given the apparent hornet's nest she/he seems to have wandered into.  Clearly quite a lot of people are less than happy with their or their family's experience of Hyde, and have seen fit to express it.

But there was an earnest and perhaps unassailable core, namely:

I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do.

I think all of us can relate to that sentiment, perhaps substituting some other qualities for the ones noted, perhaps not, but certainly, at any rate, laudable attributes can be called to mind that one might strive for...

I think many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons.  And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized.

Consequently, I think a good deal of the anger, certainly in my case it contributes significantly, stems from the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that Hyde operates under.  You could say Hyde doesn't put its money where its mouth is.  Time and time again, what is said and what is done do not appear to be originating from the same source...

Another source of much MUCH anger stems from actual destructive acts that Hyde has engaged in.  One can attribute ignorance or obtuseness to but some of these.  In an appallingly great number of cases, it certainly would appear, and certainly is experienced as such by the victims, as wanton and vindictive acts.  While I am sure that said descriptive cannot be applied to all cases, one thing is for sure:  when threatened, Hyde closes ranks and protects their own, regardless of what they did, or the truth of the matter, or the consequences of their actions on the kids they have been entrusted to.

And what, pray tell, rends the qualifying distinction of "their own?"  They who spout the party line.  Period.

[Anonymous]

So many of the Hyde teachers and others who were there when I was there didn't have the training, experience, or maturity to provide students what they really need.

Its not just a question of training or maturity, its the philosophy of the place that they think they can tell you how to judge your life.  Or anyone's life, for that matter.  And that gets pretty hairy sometimes, when mistakes are made.

[Anonymous]

I've been thinking about blove82's post, and wondering whether blove82 might not regret ever having posted said musings, given the apparent hornet's nest she/he seems to have wandered into.  Clearly quite a lot of people are less than happy with their or their family's experience of Hyde, and have seen fit to express it.

But there was an earnest and perhaps unassailable core, namely:

I want my life to have a purpose, I want honesty, humility, integrity, and all of those things to matter in my life, and they do.

I think all of us can relate to that sentiment, perhaps substituting some other qualities for the ones noted, perhaps not, but certainly, at any rate, laudable attributes can be called to mind that one might strive for...

I think many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons.  And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized.

Consequently, I think a good deal of the anger, certainly in my case it contributes significantly, stems from the blatant dishonesty and hypocrisy that Hyde operates under.  You could say Hyde doesn't put its money where its mouth is.  Time and time again, what is said and what is done do not appear to be originating from the same source...

Another source of much MUCH anger stems from actual destructive acts that Hyde has engaged in.  One can attribute ignorance or obtuseness to but some of these.  In an appallingly great number of cases, it certainly would appear, and certainly is experienced as such by the victims, as wanton and vindictive acts.  While I am sure that said descriptive cannot be applied to all cases, one thing is for sure:  when threatened, Hyde closes ranks and protects their own, regardless of what they did, or the truth of the matter, or the consequences of their actions on the kids they have been entrusted to.

And what, pray tell, rends the qualifying distinction of "their own?"  They who spout the party line.  Period.

As you say, "many of us, and/or many of our parents, were attracted to Hyde for seemingly idealistic reasons.  And whether or not this was the original attraction or incentive, it certainly figured into the equation before commitment to attend was finalized."

That certainly describes what happened to my family.  The Hyde pamphlets said all the right things.  It also sound pretty good during the interviews.  

It took us about two months to figure out that Hyde is full of itself and full of the kind of stark hypocrisy you point out in your comments.  During our Hyde experience we encountered instance after instance of teachers and students who didn't even come close to the Hyde ideals.  In fact, often they were downright polar opposites.  Once we realized how hypocritical and incompetent many Hyde personnel are, we decided to head for the hills.

[Oz girl]

This poster mentions she was 15 upon entering hyde and there for 5 years. If hyde is a high school why would it keep a 20 yr old young adult. Wouldnt this not stunt the young persons emotional development somewhat.
Arent most American kids in their second year of Uni by this age?

[Anonymous]

Behold, I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction. For My own sake, for My own sake, I will do it; for how should My name be profaned? And I will not give My glory to another. Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called: I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand has laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand up together.

Isaiah 48 one 'em verses in the one of the mistranslations

The literal translation from Hebrew is: "I am He, I am Tough Love."

 

 I though it was

"I am that I am tough loving you"

I do believe "Tough Love" was a cliche' originally coined by the so called drug warriors to rationalize any number of their moves... Many of the so called drug warriors did business in the "Troubled Teen" industry in earlier incarnations of their careers.  A cloak of seemingly different colors but actually same philosophy, same target:  errant uncontrollables, dangerously ready to upset the apple cart of the status quo...
 :lol:

No, no. Forty years in the desert. The original "wilderness program."

  And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.

[Ursus]

This poster mentions she was 15 upon entering hyde and there for 5 years. If hyde is a high school why would it keep a 20 yr old young adult. Wouldnt this not stunt the young persons emotional development somewhat.
Arent most American kids in their second year of Uni by this age?

I do wish blove82 would answer this?

I am guessing that perhaps the obligatory summer session is counted towards the 5th year and that, in fact, it was only 4 academic years in addition to that?

Hyde is infamous for "strongly recommending that a student return for a Senior Leadership year," the spoken or unspoken corollary being that said student will not receive a diploma otherwise, but a lowly and most ordinary "certificate."

This issue has been frequently discussed off-topic in the threads.  Here is a link to a recent such discussion:  http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=15689&start=437

That said, I do remember a guy during my time who was 20 or 21 due to his "delayed character growth."  Always felt bad for him.  That place did nothing to help him believe in his best...

[Anonymous]

That said, I do remember a guy during my time who was 20 or 21 due to his "delayed character growth." Always felt bad for him. That place did nothing to help him believe in his best...

Was his name Phil?  Dark reddish hair and freckles......

[Anonymous]

And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.

What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...

[Anonymous]

And the Tom McCaffery canoe trip was just a reprise of the great flood.

What year was that? I was on a trip he led in summer of 1975...

  I was dodging oil tankers in the fog on penobscot bay in the summer of 75.  What I heard from the Tom Terrific trip was the watch group camped on the flood plain below a large water impoundment. A whistle blew.   Some how in his vast training as a wilderness guide while attending Brown he skipped class the day the subject of water release from damns was discussed.   The group had to break camp in a hurry to avoid the rising water.   I understand there are no more dory trips.  Too bad.  That is one of the thing I liked about hyde.