Suicide at AAA

[TheWho]

Ignore the who. He talks about respect for privacy but regularly makes reference to his own daughter and claims he molested her. The man belongs in jail

I heard he had his daughter killed and hired someone to molest her.  He is one sicko, he should be banned from posting.

[MOMMABEAR]

Ignore the who. He talks about respect for privacy but regularly makes reference to his own daughter and claims he molested her. The man belongs in jail

I heard he had his daughter killed and hired someone to molest her.  He is one sicko, he should be banned from posting.

YOU KNOW REGARDLESS OF RATHER ANY OF THAT IS OR IS NOT TRUE IT REALLY DOES NOT SOUND LIKE ITS WORTH TALKING ABOUT THAT WAS DEF. TOO MUCH INFO

[hanzomon4]

THE RUMORS ARE TRUE A CHILD COMMITTED SUICIDE AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY IN APRIL IF THERE IS ANYONE WITH ANY "insider information" PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE NEED ANSWERS NOT A COVER UP.

If you dig hard enough what you will find is that there is no cover-up but a childs family that would like privacy.  I don’t think placing the childs picture and name on the web would be in the best interest of anyone, I would respect their privacy.

MR."WHO" I DONT THINK AT ANY POINT I HAVE STATED A NAME OR EVEN CONSIDERED POSTING A PICTURE I HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF RESPECTING EVERYONES PRIVACY BUT IF THERE IS NO COVER UP PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY AFTER 4 1/2 MONTHS THERE IS NOTHING ON THE WEB OR ANYWHERE ELSE ABOUT THIS CHILDS PREVENTABLE DEATH. THEY OBVIOUSLY DONT WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW BECAUSE............. WHAT ELSE HAS HAPPENED AT ASPEN ACHIEVEMENT ACADEMY THAT THE PUBLIC DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT??

Sorry, this wasn’t pointed at anyone specific.  But, believe it or not, there are people who get enjoyment out of posting the details of other people’s lives on the web here at fornits, posting pictures of kids who died, posting their names, kids who are trying to start their careers, posting their pictures and poking fun at them and their families.  There are a lot of hateful people out there who do things for the wrong reasons, enjoying spreading the gossip or some other reason.

Families who have a loved one who takes their own life sometimes like to keep it private.  You don’t see the details of suicides in the paper as much as you would a child who died in a car accident or sports injury, for example, some families like to keep it within the immediate family.  So I was just asking for people to exercise a little discretion and respect the families wishes.  My suggestion would be to contact them first and ask if they mind posting their childs name, story and picture on the internet, if that was part of your intent.

 
APOLOGY ACCEPTED.

Shut up Who....

You are the one who pokes fun at survivors of torture and it's staff and program advocates that come here trying to post private information(Sue Scheff comes to mind). Your only interest in spreading FUD is to bury the truth about Aspen's abusive practices. You can keep polishing Aspen's turds and selling it as chocolate as long the folks who have actually eaten this shit-o-late(survivors) don't ever get to examine it. You care nothing about this kid or his family or his privacy, it's all about your employers Aspen and/or NATSAP.

[TheWho]

You care nothing about this kid or his family or his privacy, it's all about your employers Aspen and/or NATSAP.

Yes I do care about the kids (and I think you used to, at one point, also)and people who know me know this is sincere and actually, If you step back and read some of your crap you will see that you dont care about any of the kids or their families (you are so immersed in this drama),  there always seems to be a special energy level every time a child dies,  you could care less about how it happened or how the childs family is doing (based on the posts) as long as you can spin it so the school looks bad or responsible...or say the autopsy reports are wrong to suit your imagination or wishes,   you really dont fool the readers...you have an agenda Hanzo and it shows.

[hanzomon4]

You care nothing about this kid or his family or his privacy, it's all about your employers Aspen and/or NATSAP.

Yes I do care about the kids (and I think you used to, at one point, also)and people who know me know this is sincere and actually, If you step back and read some of your crap you will see that you dont care about any of the kids or their families (you are so immersed in this drama),  there always seems to be a special energy level every time a child dies,  you could care less about how it happened or how the childs family is doing (based on the posts) as long as you can spin it so the school looks bad or responsible...or say the autopsy reports are wrong to suit your imagination or wishes,   you really dont fool the readers...you have an agenda Hanzo and it shows.

Hahahahhah!!!!

Who go back and read your crap, you justify every death or otherwise try to explain it away so that your beloved programs can seem totally empathetic but absolutely NOT responsible. You view these deaths as an acceptable circle of loss and things to be swept under a rug. It's the disgust for shrills that think in that way which fuels the anger you hear from us that do give a damn about the kids.

And yes who I question autopsies because it's been proven in cases(Anderson's) that the autopsies are suspiciously wrong in a way that absolves the program of any responsibility. How many deaths have been ruled to be caused by an enlarged heart or some undetected birth defect? The fact that 10 people were sitting on the kid at the time or that medical care was denied because the kid was a "faker" makes no difference?

And don't talk to me about parents, I give them more yarn then many and have defended quiet a few. Last I make no secret of my "agenda", I want kids to be protected from the predators you work for and defend, to be protected from being abused when they are seeking help, to be able to get help that doesn't come out of a crackerjack box, and to have justice when they are denied all the others.

So again shut up......

[TheWho]

Hahahahhah!!!!

Who go back and read your crap, you justify every death

Show me one!!

or otherwise try to explain it away so that your beloved programs can seem totally empathetic but absolutely NOT responsible. You view these deaths as an acceptable circle of loss and things to be swept under a rug. It's the disgust for shrills that think in that way which fuels the anger you hear from us that do give a damn about the kids.

And yes who I question autopsies

Only when they don’t meet your agenda, I have yet seen anyone question a decision which showed the school to be at fault, not once.

How many deaths have been ruled to be caused by an enlarged heart or some undetected birth defect?

I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before.  It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home.  You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see……  how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?

You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs

[Anonymous]

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209

[hanzomon4]

You do it on every thread regarding deaths, you bring up bs stats and tell us a million different ways how we can't blame the program, or you resort to the "well kids just die sometimes so you can't blame programs". Hell you did just that in your last post. We don't have to question deaths were the program was found to be a fault because to much proof for the program to bury exists, like video tape and *gasp second autopsies. And we know they bury information when kids die, Anderson, Ian, Aron......

[Anonymous]

Just to let you know that the story you are hearing is true.  My best friends son hung himself at the Aspen Acheivement Academy.  He had many issues to deal with one of which was the recient death of his older brother in a terrible car accident.  The staff was not anywhere near him, nor were they paying attention to what was happening around them.  By the way when you comment on how good someones parents are you must know what you are talking about first.  He had an amazing mother who loved him very much and is missing him more than life now herself.  So the next time you assume that just because a person or teen is having trouble dont make assumptions about things you dont have a clue.  You know what they say about making assumptions don't you?

[TheWho]

You do it on every thread regarding deaths, you bring up bs stats and tell us a million different ways how we can't blame the program, or you resort to the "well kids just die sometimes so you can't blame programs". Hell you did just that in your last post. We don't have to question deaths were the program was found to be a fault because to much proof for the program to bury exists, like video tape and *gasp second autopsies. And we know they bury information when kids die, Anderson, Ian, Aron......

Honzo, I am all for 2nd and 3rd autopsies, if it gets to root cause and the truth.  But many here dont accept the results unless it fits their agenda,  you know that!!  The stats I provide are not BS,  if the rate of death was higher in TBS or wilderness, fornits would be all over that and providing stats, but the fact remains that TBS's are safer...if you want to blame me for that stat, thats okay.

The post above this one is an example of a child who died in a TBS (took his own life), now if people here cant figure out a way to blame the school for this death (or parents) then it is of no use to them and it will fall on deaf ears, no sympathy...nothing.  Many here have only one agenda, attack the schools or the parents, period.  They could care less about the kids and their families (many are on a mission).......  I have shown that this is my agenda, to care for the kids and help them and their families find answers.

[Anne Bonney]

Honzo, I am all for 2nd and 3rd autopsies, if it gets to root cause and the truth.  But many here dont accept the results unless it fits their agenda,  you know that!!  The stats I provide are not BS,  if the rate of death was higher in TBS or wilderness, fornits would be all over that and providing stats, but the fact remains that TBS's are safer...if you want to blame me for that stat, thats okay.

No its not.  You play with the parameters, move the goalposts.  TBS's are neither safe nor effective and you can provide NO statistics to prove otherwise.

Its the stress of having therapy forced upon you.  Its the division in the mind when you know what's going on around you is fucked up but you're being told its because they love you and want to help you.  Its the lack of outside contact and with objective or questioning influences to keep you grounded in reality.   You can't measure what that kind of shit does to the soul.  And for a goddamn long time afterwards too.  Its not like it just ends when you get out.  Nope.  You're in for another decade or so of confusion, self doubt, depression, anxiety, fear and finally realization.  

Programs kill kids in too many ways to count.  Not all of them are immediately evident or revealed.  Its a deep and lasting thing to fuck with someone's inner core at a time when they're just developing it.

The post above this one is an example of a child who died in a TBS (took his own life), now if people here cant figure out a way to blame the school for this death (or parents) then it is of no use to them and it will fall on deaf ears, no sympathy...nothing.  Many here have only one agenda, attack the schools or the parents, period.  They could care less about the kids and their families (many are on a mission).......  I have shown that this is my agenda, to care for the kids and help them and their families find answers.

You're damn right we're on a mission.  To keep people, especially kids, OUT of forced or coerced 'treatment' and to reveal and prevent the abuse of mind that goes on behind closed doors in order to produce these remarkable results (read: brainwashed drones) you guys keep touting.

We know very well your agenda now.  Financial and ego.

[Anne Bonney]

I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before.  It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home.  You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see……  how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?

You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs

Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons.  And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers?  Better and more individualized actual therapy?  

But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help.  Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them.  Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished)  to death.   Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale.  Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive.  Kids in public schools have rights.  At least for the time being anyway.

[TheWho]

I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before.  It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home.  You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see……  how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?

You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs

Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons.  And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers?  Better and more individualized actual therapy?  

But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help.  Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them.  Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished)  to death.   Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale.  Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive.  Kids in public schools have rights.  At least for the time being anyway.

all of what you say is made up, there is no evidence that supports why kids commit suicide, not all schools use restraints, you have no figures to support your position, I do...........
Bottom line is that kids are dying at extremely high rates in the public sector compared to the unique settings of boarding schools.  Thats what makes boarding schools more appealing to concerned parents or parents with at-risk children.... and this is why many parents seek their saftey for thier children.

[Anne Bonney]

I have seen many in and around the public school system and these kids have never heard of a program before.  It happens whether the kids are in a TBS, wilderness or sleeping in their bed at home.  You choose to only see one side because that is what you want to see……  how many articles are posted here on fornits of kids who die outside of programs from the same condition?

You make these deaths seem so unique to just programs

Not unique, just more frequent and because of different reasons.  And if you're sending your supposedly troubled kid away to a 'smaller and unique school' wouldn't you expect more supervision? Better quality staff and teachers?  Better and more individualized actual therapy?  

But, besides that the kids at public school aren't being killed in the name of therapy or help.  Kids in public schools aren't offing themselves because they've been forced to reveal their deepest, darkest secrets to a bunch of lunatics who later use it against them.  Kids in public schools arent' being 'restrained' (read: punished)  to death.   Kids in public schools aren't suffering from PTSD on a massive scale.  Kids in public schools have recourse if a teacher gets out of hand or abusive.  Kids in public schools have rights.  At least for the time being anyway.

Bottom line is that kids are dying at extremely high rates in the public sector compared to the unique settings of boarding schools.  Thats what makes boarding schools more appealing to concerned parents or parents with at-risk children....

No, bottom line is that these places are not providing what they advertise.  They're playing with accreditation to get around regulation.  They scare parents into believing that they need help and that the programs have the answer when all they're doing is pushing a regurgitated version of what I went through years ago.  Programs are ripping families to shreds and trying to make them thank them for it.

[TheWho]

Many parents do thank the schools...if you look at how a child is as they enter and then look at the path they are on when they leave and the productive lives they go on to lead, you would thank the school also...... there is an extremely high rate of suicide and homicides in the public sector for the age range of these kids........  these public schools are a safe haven for them to thrive and grow in.

This is not my opinion, the numbers support this.