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Offline Silent1

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« on: April 29, 2007, 12:07:43 PM »
I sometimes feel very hopeless and these are the times. Such as now when I am seeing the decite that I was put under at that hell hole.
My values and feelings for others are all wrong, I really have no friends now, that are not RMA related. This is horrible as I use RMA as he guage to determin who a friend is.
Not a single person can live up to it.

I use RMA as a guage of my work as well, the moment I feel taken advantage of I feel like I am going to quit.
I have so far quit over 50 jobs in my life after RMA. All because of the values I was taught to think were right.

I often even have thoughts of suicide and I may at one point go through with it even. I can understand why some people even do this. Its not that crazy. No one can seem to understand the struggle I go through everyday and the utter hoplessness that I feel.

It always comes back to the same thing, and the only way out I see is death. There is no answer that can fix it. RMA cant be the answer nor can anything else.


I am about to quit another job and go to another job and quit that one as well, the cycle can not stop.

I just feel hopless with my life, myself I caused it. RMA is not 100 percent to blame as I control what I do.

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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 12:37:08 PM »
Well shit! Time to break out of that. If you hate your job then try and find something fun and interesting next time. I've just been hitting up Craigslist.com, being a gypsy for now. That way, I keep a little money flowing through to my landlord et al, meet different ppl and I don't have to make any long term commitments. If you like your job except for a couple of things then keep it and don't worry what RMA people might think of it. They fucked up so badly the entire CEDU/Brown corporation went bankrupt and I understand they left a lot of kids stranded w/o basic necessities in the process. Phuk em!

But how do you get the demons out of your head? I dunno, keep laughing at them? Talk to some other folks who are familiar w/ them and see if they have any good ideas?
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 07:22:19 PM »
Therapy might be good. Specifically, a therapist who deals with long term PTSD, or who specializes in debriefing. I know that debriefing is normally used right after an incident, such as coming back from war, but it's possible that it would be useful for long term issues that are just coming to the surface. Especially when it comes to processing an experience that you are viewing with a new perspective for the first time. Some people need long-term therapy, others need "guerrilla therapy", i.e. short term. It's too bad you don't live in San Francisco, I could refer you to someone who has worked with me in the past on some long term PTSD symptoms I have suffered from.

I caution against life coaches. Most of them are of the same school of thought as LGAT, which is part of CEDU's ideology.

I got through this for years by talking to myself, because I didn't have other like-minded people to discuss it with and use as a sounding board. I got out all the anger and resentment by having hypothetical arguments. Very different than doing something like running your anger. This was actual processing. Coming to an understanding about what happened. I would also have arguments critiquing the industry, CEDU, the ideology, how the hypocrisy would cause the schools to inevitably implode, either through a complete loss of organization or infrastructure, or via lawsuits. Surprise surprise when I found out it closed down and found fornits. I was like "holy shit, I was right! There are others who feel the same way I do!" (I also wasn't surprised when, after a reprieve, they resurrected.)

When you first start to decompress, it can be very confusing, and the closest analogy I can come to is that it's like coming out of a coma. At first, there is minimal lucidity, and once you get your bearings, it can be terrifying and painful. There is often little or no validation that what you have experienced was truly fucked up, such as in my situation. Especially because it felt like nobody truly understood what I had been through. The one big lucky break I received was via my first girlfriend. She planted the seed that what I had been through was wrong, and that the role of these kinds of schools in society is dysfunctional and abusive. That's what set the ball rolling. The key was that I was receptive to her critique of CEDU. Had she spoken to me about a year earlier, I would have dismissed her outright. I was ready to wake up. I just needed someone to shake me a little bit. A few months later, I symbolically hurled my summit key across the college quad and said "good riddance, you fuckers." I was angry, for the first time. It wouldn't be the last.

The thing I caution against is shame. Shame is huge. How could I have been so stupid? I'm such a loser, I can't believe I've bought this shit for so long. I've made nothing of myself. I'm a failure in my life. I have no friends. The friendships I did have were a lie. It is normal to feel these things, I know I did, but be aware of it, and know that it comes from CEDU, among other things. Know that it can cripple your psyche, and that they are lies. If you feel trapped in your life, it is good to think solutions instead of problems. "What can I do? Is this a situation I have some control over?" I tell myself this on a daily basis when I start to freak out about something. (It's part of cognitive behavioral therapy.)

Once you become aware how your own identity is in direct contradiction with the program, that is when the "awakening" begins, so to speak. That's when you get out of bed and check yourself out of the hospital. This is where you are. You are on your way out, and painful though it may be, it is good.
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2007, 01:42:24 AM »
You know I also did realize that I must shed the hipocracy of the place even a year after the school.
I took the year book at graduation and sat by the fire and burned it page by page and watched the flames eat away at the pages of cruelty and hate, It was a good feeling. I actually also did this with the summint and i and me notebooks as well.

I threw the summit key into the forest in whistler one night and said phuck the world! I had done this years ago to move on. However it still haunts me no matter what I do,

I kling to the cedu way as the only knowledge I have. Being a very shy person I also tend not to make new friends easily. This makes it harder knowing why mind games I can play with the situation. Often I seem to over think the situation as well as take it to serious as well.

I have a former grad friend who is gay, this person is still very much afraid to be themselfs with others, I may be the only person who sees them behave in a normal way or rather their most normal fashion. This is very bad on there part, I know you need to act in life and behave according to social patterns. But this person is so afraid and is naturally prone to always being a victim to there own thoughts. Every event is alway looked at in a negative manner.
My so called friend will not even return a phone call after I refused to pay for all the calls anymore, however when I paid they called 5 times per day. Now this person thinks I am nasty and will not call me.
Game and flags galore here!

I think at some point I must also move on and drop the old RMA friends as this person seems to be self distructive as well.

I hope I can meet some new people and become more in tune with the real world, before I become so angry at my life I can no nothing but end it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2007, 03:24:19 AM »
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Game and flags galore here!

I'm hoping you meant that ironically.

If not...

I understand if it is a financial strain to constantly pay for calls, or if you feel as if you are being used, but empathy is something we can all  use. Is it a "game" when you are in pain and not know how to reach out appropriately? Our whole understanding of "game" was that someone was acting insincerely as it pertained to the program. There are no games in the real world, because there is no program. People simply behave. Maybe sincerely, maybe with ulterior motives, maybe with outright malice. None of these are games. This is human nature. What are flags? What determines what a flag is? Is it an appropriate way to label behavior in the first place? These terms are an oversimplification of the human condition.

At the same time, it is certainly essential to seek relationships outside of RMA. The friendships I have made outside of RMA are far more significant to me than anyone I knew inside. But if you have compassion and concern for your friend, even if he seems beyond help, in your opinion, it's always nice just to call him up and let him know you care for him and are thinking about him. If he doesn't call back, fine. At least you let him know. There is also nothing wrong with drawing a boundary regarding the calls, but there is also something known as diplomacy. (I honestly can't assume how you spoke with him about this, so I won't.) Drawing a boundary with an asshole you don't know is entirely different than drawing one with someone you care about. One you can tell to fuck off, the other requires a bit more finesse. (Unless it's someone like my friend Bill. We tell each other to fuck off all the time.:)) I don't think your friend has written you off, I think his feelings are simply hurt, for whatever reason. He's going through a hard time. (Pardon me if I am telling you anything you already know, BTW. I hope I am not coming off condescending.)

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I know I want you to act in life and behave according to social patterns.


Heh, the fornits bot got ya! you.need=I want you :wink:

social patterns is a gray area. It depends on the context. The way I regard it most is how I relate to people I respect and care about, i.e. people whose feelings I have consideration for. I take that into account,  while I also maintain my own boundaries, and the both of us can laugh and have fun. Then there are social patterns for things like work behavior, doing a job interview, meeting your boyfriend/girlfriend's parents for the first time, guys who come up to you on the street asking for money or cigarettes, someone you bump into accidentally on the bus.

It's not about societal norms and mores, fuck those. There is no global template. It's entirely situational. I certainly do not fit into many of those societal expectations, yet I try to regard my fellow humans with a certain level of empathy (which is different from trust, which I do not give out freely) and still maintain my own boundaries. For example, the artists' collective next door I used to bitterly refer to as "a  bunch of goddamn hippies who use the tablesaw in the courtyard way too much." But then I went to a couple of their parties, and hung out on my deck with a couple of the guys when they were working on a piece, and all those guys are a really great bunch of people. I am glad that I was able to see beyond my own bitterness to get to know them. I've noticed that it is quite an enjoyable experience to have my assumptions and judgments challenged and corrected. Especially when the end result is that you make a new friend.

Part of the bitterness is simply me being a grumpy old man, but part of it is CEDU. We are trained to judge, and judge we do.. in spades. You may be judging your friend too harshly. He may be acting like an ass, but all of us do, whether we went to CEDU or not. Pain causes people to be difficult dickheads. That's just how it is.

P.S. I'm not nearly as compassionate as I might sound, BTW. I can be a ripe bastard when I want to.
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