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Offline Anonymous

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« on: April 26, 2007, 09:28:55 PM »
So what are the intentions of this forum. I can understand that there is a healing that is taking place for some who have had negative experiences at AARC. I also understand that venting is part of the process. However, I have been watching this forum for about 5 years...this is the first time I have posted myself. I am a AARC grad, x AARC staff, member of AA, and follower of AARC'S succes in Calgary. Just wondering what the intent of this forum is? Thanks
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2007, 10:04:30 PM »
What is the intention?
The intention is to connect with people willing to look at the truth of the situation in AARC and the process of reintegration into a society we have been missing from.
How can you question this site when you claim to be an active member of AA? I have been to many meetings and it is not campfires and sing-a-longs.
You posted that you  know venting can be healing so are you just trying to remind us that staffers etc. are always watching? Mission accomplished :). We know you are here and we are all very happy to hear you are doing well.
Thank you for your post. I am glad you have come to this site. Read some past topics and see if maybe you can relate to any of the issues we have. Maybe post a past incident to let us know you care.
Take care and good luck to you. Remember we will always be here if you need an ear.
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2007, 10:36:24 PM »
Why this forum?

To bring AARC to it's grave with the rest of the Straight clones...
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2007, 10:53:47 PM »
Data 88, that is fantastic that your affiliation with the fraudulent Mr. Wizardofvause makes you feel good.  Being part of their success?  How totally nebulous and meaningless.  Unless you mean successfully raking in money for the leader and providing stipends for the followers, like yourself.  For those who object to being subjected to the whims of a psychopath and his fawning devotees, it's not considered a success.   AARC is very successful at getting money for the Wiz.  It's not very successful at treating youth with chemical addictions to drugs, because the clients are generally just kids with absent or negligent fathers and crazy mothers.  Some have behavioral problems too, but unless you're a prostitute or as a male run some prostitutes, you can't really pay for a good solid drug addiction to coke or meth or heroine.  Or even vicodin or oxycontin.  Not many twelve year olds paying for an addiciton to that good ol' stuff.  Somebody has to pay AARC, and child prostitutes don't cut it.  
So Data 88, I'm sorry that your life was so empty that even as an adult you stayed as an adherent to a cult.  
Glad you had a positive experience forcing kids to own up to fabricated drug addiction.  Some people, DATA88, just don't want to acknowledge that they are powerless, so they don't let the Wiz take control of them.  But have a good time at AA.
Perhaps I'm mistaken.  Perhaps you really couldn't understand the nature of the forum because it involves self-actualized people thinking for themselves and not groveling before the Speedy Creek Pervert.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
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Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007, 11:07:19 PM »
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Perhaps you really couldn't understand the nature of the forum because it involves self-actualized people thinking for themselves and not groveling before the Speedy Creek Pervert.


 ::roflmao:: OMFG, AJ, You do have a way with words! That's just about exactly what I was thinking but I couldn't have ever said it so well.

I suppose it's about time I got off my lazzy ass and made myself concentrate on updating the faq and other notices and stuff. Mean time, let me clear this up for you.

This forum was not intended as an ad hoc therapy session, social point, creative writing course or meat market. I'm perfectly fine w/ the idea that all those things and more will go on when ppl w/ similar backgrounds and histories come together, but it's just not my gig. Fornits was intended for a couple of purposes

1)  to bring together eye witnesses to the horrific reality that underpins all the lovely propaganda and bullshit that is the Toughlove hategroup. Even what we all do or don't do in response is entirely up to the individual.

2) To demonstrate that, absent the coercive enforcement of all the many controls on free expression and communication, Program philosophy falls flat on it's ass.

RAMPANT talking out in group is what it's all about!
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 11:13:36 PM »
Quote from: ""DATA 88""
I have been watching this forum for about 5 years...this is the first time I have posted myself.


Really? Cause there are 4 other posts from your IP? You suffer from split personality, or do you rather enjoy it. No wait, I know! This is just the first time you've gotten permission from the leader to post. Wow, you must be honored!
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 11:31:32 PM »
I am very proud to say "I told you so" when I read Antigen's Ghost post. We will be the ones spying on you. So keep it coming, we are ready and waiting for your propaganda. Can I pour you some koolaid Data88? I've had my fill.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2007, 12:01:27 AM »
I exchanged a few e-mails with David Grant, unabashed shill for AARC and consummate prevaricator.  I asked him why he described himself as a hardened criminal  when he didn't really have a prison record, just a couple of ten day sentences and a bunch of week-ends.  I also asked him some questions about the outright fraud that the Wiz sells.  His only response was to say that other people really liked what he had to say.  This was a moment that crystallized the true nature of AARC for me, and made me realize that the Wiz was really a psychopath and not just a misguided zealot: the truth doesn't matter.  For AARCies the only thing that matters is getting a pat on the head for reciting the correct slogans, and for the Wiz it's all about power.  Money, control of the kids, control of the parents, control of the slobbering fools in Calgary media who circle jerk for him.
Orange jumpsuits and garbage picks for the Wiz and all staff?
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2007, 12:43:26 AM »
I spoke with a Sr. Staffer from the Seed a couple of years ago. Learned a lot about what was going on in the back room when they tried to put my sister back in and when I landed in Straight. One thing, though. I should have had more restraint, but I'm only human.

One of the other super heroes, one who actually stayed on till the thing fell apart in 2000, had a really amusing olddruggiepast story. She was a 16yo millionaire's daughter w/ a $1000/day (in 1970 dollars, mind you!) H habit. Coincidentally, Art Barker (Vause's prototype in Ft. Lauderdale) was fond of saying that the Seed cost $1000/day to keep the doors open as he was passing the plate.

Well, I asked John Underwood about this. He was a little miffed, sputtered a little, started defending the program in I don't remember which way. Missed my drift. So I simplified. How is it possible for a petite 16yo girl to have built up tolerance for 200 or more hits per day of H? He sputtered and stuttered and went back to defending the purpose of the program. I asked again about how that famous story could possibly be true. Know what he said? "It's not important" LOL! I was literally laughing too hard to spit out the words "John!! What's the first and most impotent rule!!!????"

That was fun. Never heard back from him, though. Wish I could have resisted the temptation a little longer. Might have learned some things I'd like to know. But, now c'mon! How do you resist that? I ask ya, how?
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2007, 01:37:18 AM »
Let me assure you guys that I have not posted before regardless of you playing Heratio Kane and believing that you have seen my IP address before you are misinformed. This is why i dont post. I was merely questioning with no malicious intent and within no timeI feel like I am in jr. high fight with a couple of girls about who has a big ass. Ajax as for your misplaced big words and your flex of the intellect muscle by refering to Abraham Maslow and being self actulized. I have two words that are easy to comprehend .... Fuck Off. I'll probably post in another 5 or so.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2007, 02:12:52 AM »
What's with the cult members obsession with "big words" . If you read "josh's and  the other aarc followers' postings, they always are antaganized by use of the silghtly more obscure offeings of the English Language. .
Is this Dave? I would think a "writer" wouldnt be angered by words...Are they provocative becasue they make you use your brain?...and thinking invulentarily  brings clarity to the cloud inside which you have wasted you have wasted your life ?

Perhaps devoting yourself to a cult was not such a good idea? And it hurts to see that?
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2007, 07:41:18 AM »
Thanks Data88 for behaving exactly as is expected of a cult member.  We may not hear from him apparently, since it may take five years or so for Mr. Johnwaynegacydoctorvause to give him permission.  "It's in the book!"
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MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
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Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2007, 11:18:22 PM »
Well, I'll bet Antigen can tell how many times I've posted before even though I can claim here that I haven't -- or at least the IP address I'm posting from, right Antigen?

so if it wasn't you it was somebody sharing your address and no doubt you even discussed it.
Not hard to see when the AARCites get exasperated, they start hurling epithets.

The Book of Daniel.
Now Daniel, having escaped from the lion's den fled in to the wilderness.  
And the king followed after Daniel and sought to bring him back under control
And Daniel, seeing the king from afar off, fashioned himself weapons of Camel dung and hurled them at the king:
"SHIT," said the king.
Now in those days the king's word was law, and twenty thousand heaved at his command.
"STOP," said the king, and twenty thousand turds were nipped in the bud save for one poor bugger in the corner who had diarrhoea. .
That guy was his flourescentmajestyvause, who lived forever in his own personal hell.

In the meantime, the maiden came unto Daniel and sayeth, "Daniel, Daniel, I am with child,. What steps art thou prepared to take?"
"Bloody great big ones," quoth Daniel, and strode off into the wildreness and was never seen again.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2007, 11:30:35 PM »
149 Posts as Guest
 61 Posts  as... guess!
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How DID you guess
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2007, 12:59:33 AM »
Unbelievable
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