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Anonymous · « **on:** April 24, 2007, 02:39:44 PM »

Knoxville father makes boy wear sign as punishment for using drugs

April 18, 2007

By JOHN HANEY
6 News Anchor/Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- A father took extreme measures Wednesday to discipline his 14-year-old son, who he claims was abusing drugs.

Because the boy is a minor, 6 News won't reveal his or his father's identity.

The boy was forced to wear a large sandwich board sign that said "I abused & sold drugs," while standing in front of Cedar Bluff Middle School.

"I would like to say that I'm not out here doing this to humiliate my son,' the dad said. "I'm doing this because I love him. We do have an extreme drug problem in America, and maybe it's time for extreme measures that parents need to take to monitor this problem that we have."

The man says he recently learned after reading the boy's MySpace page his son was involved with marijuana and OxyContin. That's when he decided to take immediate action.

"Basically he said, 'Well, I did do the crime and I'm willing to serve the punishment for it,' and he's taking it all in stride," the boy's father said.

The school's principal soon came out and asked the father to call it off, which he did.

By that time the boy said he had already learned his lesson. "This is embarrassing. I ain't going to be doing it again."

And the boy added, "Drugs are for losers. That's all I can say."

Those were the words his dad hoped to hear.

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6390423

Nihilanthic · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2007, 02:46:43 PM »

Humiliation is one thing, but the same old questions pop up.

The fact that MJ doesn't actually do anything to anyone except chill them out, is hardly fatal, and easily handled by... oh, I dunno, the people who fucking run this forum and a lot of people who work and are successful comes to mind...

And if he was self medicating because of other issues the kid has, this didn't solve them, just the symptom of them.

At any rate, holding a sign over your head in a public area is a lesser evil, but I doubt its actually effective for much and the chance that it could exacerbate a real problem the kid has and make him just hide it more makes it a pretty bad choice.

But, well, hey, at least if the parent had to do something TO the kid as a result of snooping instead of helping by doing something WITH The kid, I'd rather for the kids sake he do the lesser of the two things.

Anonymous · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2007, 07:41:44 PM »

I guess they're more laid back in that part of the U.S. Around here, that's a very dangerous game this parent played with his kid. Around here, the statement on that sign is admission of a felony. He could've been arrested, expelled from school, sent to juvie...lots of bad things.

exhausted · « **Reply #3 on:** April 24, 2007, 07:43:54 PM »

When I was about 12 or 13 years old, I stole an eraser from a big shop - my mum marched me in there and made me apologise to the manageress who banned me fromt he shop - then she (my mother) made me stand in the middle of the shop, holding this damn eraser above my head and shout "I am a thief"

It was a valuable lesson, I never stole anything from that day on, I wasn't traumatised, in fact i laugh about it to this day, the only thing hurt was my pride at the time

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Anonymous · « **Reply #4 on:** April 24, 2007, 07:48:46 PM »

That's nice, Exhausted.

You knew it was wrong when you stole and it wasn't traumatic.

Humiliation, however, CAN be traumatic, and often times its not 'wrong' in a moral sense, merely a legal one - or not even legal, just as far as what the parent sees.

psy · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:01:51 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

That's nice, Exhausted.

You knew it was wrong when you stole and it wasn't traumatic.

Humiliation, however, CAN be traumatic, and often times its not 'wrong' in a moral sense, merely a legal one - or not even legal, just as far as what the parent sees.

Well there is a big difference. I'm not gonna debate whether or not using "humiliation" as a parent is okey dokey.. What I will say is there are more than a few differences here compared to what happens in a program: in program, you are humiliated for who you are, having compassion, or just for the sheer sake of it. It's not a one-time event either. It's every frigging day. Oh here's a real mild one: Staff finds porn in a room... people come into group in the morning to find it piled up on the floor, the owner of the porn is called out in the middle of the group and questioned about it... in detail... it's done for the sake of humiliation. Or the girl who masturbated with the spatula (they found it under her bed)... Not only was that the group "topic du jour", her nickname also became "spatch" and it was not said in a jesting manner. She was made to see herself as a slut... And this was a girl who had been sexually abused.. By her father... who sent her to program. To add insult to injury, her silverware privileges were taken away... It was made very public that she was not to be trusted around cylindrical objects...

Any and every personal detail from your personal life was made very very public. You had no privacy at all. Even when the night watchman wasn't peering through the window you could be certain your peers would be more than a little entusiastic to report you (given that it would help them get to the mythical level II)...

Benchmark Young Adult School in Redlands California folks! <-- for google

Anonymous · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:04:54 PM »

Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""

c) Posse of rednecks?

Quote from: ""ZenAgent""

Rednecks tend to avoid conflicts with other Billy-Bobs, and PV is full of hilljacks with stagnant gene pools and unnatural banjo playing skills.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t= ... c&start=90

Time to call in the PV Posse

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2007, 08:26:47 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Knoxville father makes boy wear sign as punishment for using drugs

April 18, 2007

By JOHN HANEY
6 News Anchor/Reporter

KNOXVILLE (WATE) -- A father took extreme measures Wednesday to discipline his 14-year-old son, who he claims was abusing drugs.

Because the boy is a minor, 6 News won't reveal his or his father's identity.

The boy was forced to wear a large sandwich board sign that said "I abused & sold drugs," while standing in front of Cedar Bluff Middle School.

"I would like to say that I'm not out here doing this to humiliate my son,' the dad said. "I'm doing this because I love him. We do have an extreme drug problem in America, and maybe it's time for extreme measures that parents need to take to monitor this problem that we have."

The man says he recently learned after reading the boy's MySpace page his son was involved with marijuana and OxyContin. That's when he decided to take immediate action.

"Basically he said, 'Well, I did do the crime and I'm willing to serve the punishment for it,' and he's taking it all in stride," the boy's father said.

The school's principal soon came out and asked the father to call it off, which he did.

By that time the boy said he had already learned his lesson. "This is embarrassing. I ain't going to be doing it again."

And the boy added, "Drugs are for losers. That's all I can say."

Those were the words his dad hoped to hear.

http://www.wate.com/Global/story.asp?S=6390423

Thats just sick..while hes at it why doesnt he just bend the kid over and anally rape him...in front of the school, to fight drugs

Its so twisted..that does nothing but make other kids look down on this boy, make this boy look down on himself. its an unethical abuse of power. It lowers this boys expectations of life and perverts his ideas of how to treat people and how people should treat him

Aslo, he talks alot about the Drug probelm in America not so much about his son....this preposterous worm wants to feel important by "fighting the extreem drug probelm in america(?)" through tramatizing his son.

Lets make this preening wanna-be where a sign that says "i abuse my son" ..but we wont make any pretentions of doing this for the mans own good. We'll be honest-we want the man to suffer and feel ashamed of himself

try another castle · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:24:23 PM »

Reeks of the Scarlet Letter.

You know, jewish/non-jewish couples had to stand on the streets and wear signs during the third reich, too, about how awful and unclean their relationship was. "I fucked a dirty jew" "I am a dirty jew"

Buying and selling drugs? hmmmm. Gotta love that war on drugs, eh? What a positive, fruitful influence that has been on our society. I'd just love to see a kid have to wear a sign for something that people shouldn't even be persecuted for in the first place. That sounds awfully familiar.

Oz girl · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:37:09 PM »

looks like a hideous idea. Why is it that kids can be punished in ways that adults cant?

nimdA · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:42:07 PM »

I think you are all missing the point. Shame on you all.

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:52:42 PM »

It would be interesting to see if this boy attempts suicide- (id sure as hell do that) how this will play out for the mighty drug warrier...battling his 13 year old son.

Its sad but thats the only thing that MAY make ignorent facets of our populous realize that sadistic publical spectacles of children are unacceptable

nimdA · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:54:47 PM »

Nope it is more profound than that, and equally more horrifying. You are all still missing the point.

Anonymous · « **Reply #13 on:** April 24, 2007, 10:58:48 PM »

Whats is the point then?

Anonymous · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2007, 11:35:18 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

And the boy added, "Drugs are for losers. That's all I can say."

Those were the words his dad hoped to hear.

That costs program parents 50-100k.

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