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Does "God" really give a fuck?
« on: April 17, 2007, 07:22:37 PM »
Most people seem to believe that there is some sort of divine retribution (through hell, or through 'karma' for you new-agey types) for horrible acts like murder or what have you... I've been thinking to myself what a load of crap this is. If I decide to go out and kill someone because they piss me off or something, the only real thing I have to fear is getting caught for it....

Does anyone disagree?

This is not to say that I don't believe in God (because I do), but I don't entertain the notion that God (the life force or whatever) really cares that much if I go out and kill someone. In fact I think he (sorry for the gender bias) might get a kick out of it. I know I would.

Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2007, 08:15:54 PM »
Look, Jebus and his invisible friend are going to be all bent out of shape over this, but fuck em. No, really, please, these guys have taken this extreme celibacy thing way, way too far, they need to get laid in the worst sort of way! That little voice you sometimes hear in your head saying "Fuck NA, my munchin's hungry!" That's them thinking out loud.

Anyway, I'm not supposed to tell people these things, but I like ya'. I really do. You're absolutely right, they all three have a laugh riot whenever you people start killing each other, especially when you're killing each other over who is friends with which invisible friend. They're ass holes anyway, and worse if you wind up working for them. I know! My little sister went to work for them. They told her she'd be mother of the church, right? It sounded like a great position. After all, the whole church? That'd be millions upon millions of people, she'd never have to stop fucking ever. Fuckin' assholes!

They'll not only laugh hard, but they'll probably offer you a job as an angel. Now you're probably thinking Revelation is coming up and you'll get to take part in all kinds of fun and exciting devastation. Don't kid yourself. They always save all the fun for themselves. You'll probably just get a walk on part getting ass raped like the two fellows they hired to 'go feel out Sodom for us, maybe we'll let you nuke the next one.' Worse? The poor bastards found out later that half a dozen of the rapists were Jebus and his invisible frat boy friends.

Don't you fall for it, kid. If you really want to just kill people who piss you off, hit up Najara. I hear she's hiring.
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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2007, 11:21:32 PM »
The concept of a god and religion never made any sense to me. Maybe it is a learned belief, like you have to get it when you are a kid or something? When I am around religious people I dont want to offend I just pretend that it's not all crazy, but in my own head, I am thinking, wow these people are all pretty insane and wish I could be as insane as they are, because they sure look comfortable in the knowledge they know who created the universe and all that...
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 08:39:25 AM »
Most people seem to believe that there is some sort of divine retribution (through hell, or through 'karma' for you new-agey types) for horrible acts like murder or what have you... I've been thinking to myself what a load of crap this is. If I decide to go out and kill someone because they piss me off or something, the only real thing I have to fear is getting caught for it....

This is not to say that I don't believe in God (because I do), but I don't entertain the notion that God (the life force or whatever) really cares that much if I go out and kill someone.


In case it wasn't clear, there was no intention to debate the existence of God, but to debate its nature.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 03:13:04 PM »
I think it's just as simple as this. There are a lot of things we don't understand. What little we do perceive and what less of that we understand, we use as best we can to survive as individual, lonely island beings and as a race, culture or whatever. But that leaves out a whole lot of things that might, at any moment, fuck up our own interests.

For that there's God, by any name, just the same. In a sense, God is as real as anything. I mean, there is some force through which all things consist and it's ordered, not random. These forces do not care, not in a sentimental, personal love sort of way, whether you or I live or die or kill or what for. But they do "care" in that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So everything matters.

I think people create gods to mollify their fear of the unknown and uncontrollable as much as to make some sense of things and try and inform and direct ourselves to good action.


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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 05:05:33 PM »
Just in case the opening poster is truly contemplating the nature of God, I'll add my two cents.

You have the Destroyer, the father of Lies, confused with Your Creator and Redeemer. A common mistake.

There is an all powerful Creator, who cares very much about you and every other living soul. He cares very much if you kill someone; and ultimately, He is the one you will have to face and be accountable to. You might "get away with it" as far as the world is concerned; but you would ultimately stand before the Almighty Creator and have to answer for it. I should say rather, that you will stand before the Almighty Creator and have to answer for yourself, for all have sinned. If you have not accepted the grace and salvation offered you, by Jesus suffering for you, then you will stand in your sin and be found guilty. See Isaiah 53; the 22ed psalm; Luke 12, and John 3, if you want to understand this a bit better. If you want to understand it a lot better, there is much more to read.

As for this idea you have of God being some kind of impersonal star wars type energy force - that is just another of the great liars lies. There is a powerful force who was once the highest of the arch Angels, who aspired to be like God, and was cast out for his pride. He hates you. He wants you destroyed. He will use what ever works to keep a person groping in the dark. And too, he no doubt delights when the darkness is so deep one actually thinks there is no  accountability for evil. Others he must snare by pretending to a form of goodness; but I feel confident he takes greatest pleasure in those he can provoke to evil while pretending to be God. However, he is not God. He can imitate, but not create. He can destroy, but not save. And he too, will be held accountable, and there will be an end to his destruction. See Isaiah 14 vs. 12-17; Matthew 24; John 8, and Revelation 20 vs. 10 -15.

For what is, IMO, an inspired account of the nature of evil and temptation, read CS Lewis': The Screwtape Letters.
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
Quote from: ""Antigen's Ghost""
For that there's God, by any name, just the same. In a sense, God is as real as anything. I mean, there is some force through which all things consist and it's ordered, not random. These forces do not care, not in a sentimental, personal love sort of way, whether you or I live or die or kill or what for. But they do "care" in that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. So everything matters.

This talk smacks of karma, and that's the thing -- I'm not sure if I believe in it. I think I don't. Oh sure, every action has its reaction (or consequence) no matter how trivial or crucial, but whether or not this reaction would mean fuck-all to ME or affect MY LIFE in any way is what I'm grappling with here....

Let's say I decide to put a bullet through someone's head because I don't like them or because of something they did to me. Who's to say I'm going to hell for this, or that it will "come back on me" in some way (other than possibly getting pinched for it)?
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 05:41:14 PM »
BuzzKill: "Religion is the opium of the masses" -Karl Marx
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 07:55:41 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
BuzzKill: "Religion is the opium of the masses" -Karl Marx


Religion may be; but God isn't.


I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.

- Galileo Galilei


Small amounts of philosophy lead to atheism, but larger amounts bring us back to God.

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 10:29:02 PM »
A little bit of logic would tell me to tell you to shut up, but a lot of logic would say I'm wasting my time doing so and should try to be happy.

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2007, 11:41:48 PM »
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Let's say I decide to put a bullet through someone's head because I don't like them or because of something they did to me. Who's to say I'm going to hell for this, or that it will "come back on me" in some way (other than possibly getting pinched for it)?


Well, it might come back on you or it might not. His orphan might grow up to date your daughter or there might be no connection ever. But it would effect things for sure. Everyone connected to the guy and the neighborhood would thenceforth live in a world where that kind of disregard is more real than some others. The odds of some of that getting on you are pretty high.

Same for doing good deeds. The trouble w/ trying to abide by it asi f it were a plan is that ya never know how things will turn out. Say some pompous ass walks into the room and starts insulting my character and intelligence. My gut instinct on site was that he was a dangerous snake and I should kill him. Had I done that, the world would never have noticed Virgil Miller Newton, and so there would be no defense for me but temporary insanity.

So maybe life is but a dream after all. If so, I still think the dogs have got something on us. They're all about living in the moment, enjoying everything and taking care of their pack.
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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2007, 11:58:56 PM »
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2007, 09:13:34 AM »
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BuzzKill: "Religion is the opium of the masses" -Karl Marx


i always find it amusing when people quote marx on this topic. Afterall as a liberal leftist and an athiest (abiet a culturally catholic one) I would say the least attractive thing to me about pure communism is its humourless totalitarian attitude. That and the ugly clothes.
 Afterall the bonhoffers and Sr Helen Prejeans are hardly thoughtless robots who are high on jesus. neither was Dante.

But in answer to the orignal person i dont think if there were a god they would be interventionist. One of the stangest things I have always found about the christian idea of god is that he was a kind of petty and spiteful egotist. look at poor Job. Also the idea that you can be a total bastard all through out your life then repent on your death bed and go to heaven seems laughable and reflects a god who is arrogant and egotistical. it also has thousands of Christians needlessly worrying for the souls of friends and loved ones who dont believe.
I also cant put much stock in this vague sort of idea of an energy force which brings about some sort or Karma.
Wouldnt it make more sense to believe in a god who just treats the afterlife like an undergraduate housewarming party. Anyone can come except the truly evil. Athiest muslims etc are greeted with a smug "well i bet you feel stupid" and all is forgotten after a beer. If I were to construct a human like deity this would be the guy.
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2007, 10:06:03 AM »
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And sniffing butts without apprehension or shame.


Oh, the dogs? Yeah.
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