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« Reply #75 on: April 18, 2007, 03:09:09 PM »
I think the burden is there whether we like it or not. When a a battle is going on, to simply walk off the battle field, for whatever reason, grants victory to the other side. Since this is a battle over ideas, when program survivors stop posting here, it will appear to outside readers (of which we all know there is many), that the pro-program argument makes sense. That's why I think this forum is somewhat of a big show. That's why I make threads and big deals over statements like TheWho's, which was only one small remark that could of been glanced over, but I wanted to point it out that he hurt me, and probably a lot of other program survivors in saying that things we say are not true, and then he laughs at them.
I am different slightly than Rachael, in the sense hurt causes me to be angry, and only wants to make me fight more to show the world the truth, as I saw it. But this came on slowly, because I started posting here years ago, slowly.. and knew exactly what I was getting into. And here we are ac couple yeras later, and the tide has shifted and there are more program survivors here than programmies. Victory, at the moment, seems to be on the side of survivors. DOes anyone else remember what the WASPS forum was like a couple years ago? It was all program parents. The only way to drive them out was to confront their lies with direct bullshit. Like the Alex SCL thread. That shit was harsh, and the only way to counter their bullshit is to lay yourself on the line and tell everyone the bad stuff htat happened. But like Rachael said, I no longer will post details about my feelings and occurances, escpecially the embarassing moments.
So where does that leave us? Somewhat of a stalemate. Since that information is our only ammunition in this battle, its' a double edged sword since it cuts us more deeply than anyone else when wielding  this weapon in self defense. And yes, it is self defense.
We know this forum exists, it exists in our minds, and to know that the truth is being obscured by whordes of programmies lying to everyone with their cult bullshit, it hurts. So , I feel , compelled to post here whether I like it or not. Maybe I am crazy?
I am not faulting you, this forum is great. I wouldnt change it for the world. I am just explaining my feelings about how it definitely is a catch 22, because you don't leave this battle without war wounds.
And because the most effecvtive ammunition, our personal stories, hurt so much to use, sometimnes other tactics like trolling, information gathering, and insults are all that is left. And then what do you have? A place with two warring sides, that appear at a stalemate, desperately trying to convince the crowd they are right. I don't know, it kind of gets old after a while. The fact that truths are subjective can get old fast. It's like having to get up everyday and prove to the world you are who you say you are.
They ask for proof, you wonder where they come up with such a ridiculous statment,, and really, who knows how their minds work. They seem to want to hurt us even more than we just want them to go away, and let our stories maintain the level of truth, for at least one day. One day without someone stoping in for the drive-by-hurting or instult, that can have long lasting effects because it makes you doubt yourself. It's the program all over again.
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« Reply #76 on: April 18, 2007, 04:01:34 PM »
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TheWHo: Take the time to read Racahels post above yours and please understand that you hurt program surviovrs with your callous remarks. You have a billion program owned forums to go to, this is the only one for survivors. So either you don't care about hurting people who were already hurt a million times over, or you do it on purpose without bother, which is it?


I know what my post did and I apologized for it.  The above post was just as bad (and in my opinion worse because everyone applauded after it was said) the only difference is it wasn’t pointed at a survivor.  It was a question from a parent with a child in crisis.  You think this is funny?  You just dismiss this person’s daughter like this.  Anorexia isn’t something to joke about.  We lose children and adults to this everyday.  Your insensitivity amazes me sometimes, everyone one deserves respect from the child who attended a program to the child who did not to the parents who have to make the hard decisions.

This is why the majority of the posters on fornits are survivors, because the parents have to put up with crap like this, double standards.  You guys dish it out nice and heavy to some of these parents who come on here and laugh it up like on the Anorexia thread,  but a little off color remark or joke at a survivor and the lynch mob comes out and everyone wants to take their ball and go home.

Grow up and realize there are other people struggling besides yourselves.
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« Reply #77 on: April 18, 2007, 04:11:18 PM »
Once again Cindy the martyr has taken his usual position on the cross.

As is his custom whenever he gets pinned down by one of his own comments he routinely turns around and says" Nuh uh, look over there at what that guy did, he's worse than me!"

Dont worry about what someone else did, let the people who actually care about these kids worry about that. Worry instead about your own comments.
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« Reply #78 on: April 18, 2007, 04:17:55 PM »
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I know what my post did and I apologized for it. The above post was just as bad (and in my opinion worse because everyone applauded after it was said) the only difference is it wasn’t pointed at a survivor. It was a question from a parent with a child in crisis. You think this is funny?

I didn't post it or respond to it, no I don't think it was funny but it wasn't directed at one specific person designed to hurt them either. It's kind of like making a generic joke about fat people is different from pointing and laughing at the only fat kid in the room.


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You just dismiss this person’s daughter like this.
Wrong person.


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Anorexia isn’t something to joke about.

You are right, a friend of mine struggles and I don't laugh at her and say I don't believe her. So why do you do this with program survivors?

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We lose children and adults to this everyday. Your insensitivity amazes me sometimes, everyone one deserves respect from the child who attended a program to the child who did not to the parents who have to make the hard decisions.

I doubt that the insensitivity amazes you, because you dish it out with such callousness you show no empathy at all. The only reason you 'took offense' to the anorexia post is to try and make a point and throw this in everyone's faces to try and excuse your own behavior.

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This is why the majority of the posters on fornits are survivors, because the parents have to put up with crap like this, double standards.

Double standards? You single out program survivors and call them liars and laugh at their stories and have the balls to say that you deserve respect from survivors? Wow...


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You guys dish it out nice and heavy to some of these parents who come on here and laugh it up like on the Anorexia thread,

I never laughed at it, and if a survivor took a post of an anorexia survivor, copy/pasted specific parts of it, added their own snide remarks about how funny it is and they don't believe it I would be just as harsh on them as I am on you.


 
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but a little off color remark or joke at a survivor and the lynch mob comes out and everyone wants to take their ball and go home.

So you actually arguing that two wrongs make a right? Because someone makes fun of anorexics that you should be able to make fun of program survivors and your behavior should be excused? It doesn't work that way.

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Grow up and realize there are other people struggling besides yourselves.


When you post a story about your childhood abuse, and let a group of strangers rip you to shreds with those closely guarded details and secrets, then come back and tell us what it feels like. Parents like you have Struggling Teens which is carefully protected. Survivors have nothing of the sort. You willingly come out of your fort to play, and leave when you don't want to play anymore like a small child who gets upset.

You refuse to answer the questions about why you enjoy hurting program survivors. So why do you do it TheWho? If you feel parents deserve a fair shake, do you think it helps your argument by singling out survivors and making fun of them?
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« Reply #79 on: April 18, 2007, 04:29:09 PM »
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I hope no one continues participating in this out of a sense of obligation. If you're burnt on it or whatever then don't keep it up. There's no requirement for participation except for a willingness to do so. And don't worry about losing the debate by default. Believe me, there is an endless supply of people like us who know the truth and have the impetus to tell it. You're under no obligation to champion the cause or whatever.

Yeah it's easy to get sucked in to feeling like you have to champion the cause and all of that...well said.
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« Reply #80 on: April 18, 2007, 06:33:54 PM »
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Parents like you have Struggling Teens which is carefully protected. Survivors have nothing of the sort.


www.torturedkids.com
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« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2007, 08:55:58 PM »
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I'm leaning towards your side as well. The thread title seemed so absurd to me I laughed my ass off, thinking it was a joke.

Ooops, looks like someone else is in trouble also.

http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?p=255711#255711

Is wilderness good option for anarexics?

I am not laughing at a painful story.
I am laughing at a really stupid question!


Yes, but you are laughing at someone who came here to visit and get some information now they are gone.  There is no difference
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« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2007, 09:11:40 PM »
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Oh come on that’s only the tip of the ice berg, lets be honest, no exaggerating here, we need to be credible or no parents will believe us.  Here is a more complete account:

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209[/url]

People can decide for themselves if the two posts are equivilent, that's what great about this forum.
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« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2007, 09:23:18 PM »
Now compare the who’s post to this:

 A parent who was worried about her teenage daughter comes onto fornits looking for help and starts a thread seeking information about treatment options for her daughter.  “Try another castle” read the parents plea and responded with:

“……….. I laughed my ass off, thinking it was a joke."

The parent seeking help has never returned again.


I think both are insensitive.
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« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2007, 09:30:20 PM »
Copy/pasting a list that a person wrote about the horrible abuse including sexual abuse, and laughing at it is horrible. You can keep trying to deflect and excuse it because other people might post offensive things, but it doesn't change the fact is it horribly offensive, mean spirited, and cruel. TheWho should be ashamed of himself and I am surprised he has the audacity to show himself around here after making such cruel and insensitive remarks, and then laugh at them.
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« Reply #85 on: April 18, 2007, 09:31:48 PM »
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Oh come on that’s only the tip of the ice berg, lets be honest, no exaggerating here, we need to be credible or no parents will believe us.  Here is a more complete account:

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209[/url]

People can decide for themselves if the two posts are equivilent, that's what great about this forum.


Why did he bold those one's and write that duct taping is "his favorite"? Is this a troll or a serious poster because they are disgusting.
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« Reply #86 on: April 18, 2007, 09:39:01 PM »
I cant stop thinking about the poor woman who was looking for help for her daughter.
Do you think she will come back after being laughed at like that?  It takes a lot of courage to come on a site like this as a parent and ask for advice.
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« Reply #87 on: April 18, 2007, 09:41:33 PM »
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Now compare the who’s post to this:

 A parent who was worried about her teenage daughter comes onto fornits looking for help and starts a thread seeking information about treatment options for her daughter.  “Try another castle” read the parents plea and responded with:

“……….. I laughed my ass off, thinking it was a joke."

The parent seeking help has never returned again.


I think both are insensitive.


What?  You don't think the parent is insensitive towards the kid?  If indeed it's actaully a parent posting that.  I have a hard time an actual parent would consider such an option for somebody who is anorexic...  Anorexics would love it:  Lots of exercise, little food...
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« Reply #88 on: April 18, 2007, 09:41:34 PM »
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Quote from: ""Guest""
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Oh come on that’s only the tip of the ice berg, lets be honest, no exaggerating here, we need to be credible or no parents will believe us.  Here is a more complete account:

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason. http://wwf.fornits.com/viewtopic.php?t=21209[/url]

People can decide for themselves if the two posts are equivilent, that's what great about this forum.

Why did he bold those one's and write that duct taping is "his favorite"? Is this a troll or a serious poster because they are disgusting.


Why would he take the time to read through such a detailed horrible story and copy paste this list and then take the time to bold individual items like that, and then add his own mean remarks? Why would someone do something like that? I don't think there is an answer. Maybe he is angry at the world and decides to take his anger out on program survivors since his daughter no longer talks to him. I don't think we will ever know the motivation of such individuals who take pleasure in hurting others.
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« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2007, 09:50:29 PM »
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The parent seeking help has never returned again.


Um, yes, they did.  :rofl: Why do you lie so much?
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