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« Reply #870 on: February 17, 2006, 04:39:00 PM »
Her name was Anita Agar....
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« Reply #871 on: February 17, 2006, 04:45:00 PM »
Kathy, I agree with a lot of what you said.  I'm not proud to tell anyone where I graduated from.  It's even hard to explain it to people that are so unfamiliar with the experiences.  I guess I got on this site because it never completely goes away....The memories just fade over time...Peace to you.

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« Reply #872 on: February 18, 2006, 01:48:00 PM »
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« Reply #873 on: February 25, 2006, 12:11:00 PM »
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ROLOFF HOME CEO WAS ON MONITORING COMMITTEE, RESIGNS POST

Charges Of Abuse Still Raise Questions About Bush "Partnership" Scheme Between Government And Faith-Based Sectarian Groups...

Web Posted: April 15, 2000
he head of a religious ministry now under fire amidst charges of child abuse was also a member of the private accreditation committee that certified two homes for youngsters operated by the group, and founded by controversial "Bible discipline" evangelist Lester Roloff.

   Wiley Cameron, head of the People's Baptist Church and CEO of Roloff Enterprises -- the ministry operating the Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys -- was also on the private Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies. The Association was set up by Texas Gov. George W. Bush, presumably to accredit and monitor private religion-based "homes" for juveniles.

   According to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times newspaper, Cameron resigned from the accreditation firm on Wednesday "to avoid the perception of a conflict of interest." Incredibly, the same Association -- which approved certification for the home in question -- is reportedly conducting an inquiry into charges of abuse at the institution.

   Last Friday, officers with the Nueces County Sheriff's Office raided the 600-acre compound belonging to the People's Baptist Church and arrested superintendent Allen Smith, 42, on charges of unlawfully restraining and injuring two youths at the Anchor Homes. According to published reports, eighteen-year old Justin Simons told officials that a church employee -- reportedly Smith -- punched him, and punished him and another inmate by tying their wrists together and forcing them to run through nearby woods and dig a 15-foot-deep pit.

   People's Baptist Church is part of a ministerial empire founded by the late evangelist Lester Roloff, a fire-and-brimstone preacher known for advocacy of corporal punishment and other stern measures against juveniles. Various rehabilitation homes connected to Roloff and his organization have been the subject of state investigations and critical news stories for nearly thirty years. The state of Texas became involved in a legal battle with Roloff in the early 1970s when the Texas Department of Public Welfare informed him that his youth "homes" would have to meet various licensing standards. Roloff then launched a series of legal appeals, and spent time in jail for resisting legal orders; the incident soon became known as "The Christian Alamo," and culminated in a massive demonstrate of support by Roloff's members and other religious leaders in 1977.

   Roloff died in 1982, but his ministry lived on, along with his "Family Altar" radio program which airs on 120 Christian broadcasting stations throughout the country.

    The abuse charges, though, have led to Texas Gov. George W. Bush, the likely candidate for the 2000 Republican presidential nomination. Bush has supported "charitable choice" schemes and other efforts to transfer public money to religious groups, as well as a "partnership" between churches and other sectarian movements and government as a way of addressing social ills. Bush also established the private Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. as a "monitoring" agency with power to accredit private, religious juvenile facilities. In February, 1999, the TACCCA certified the PBC "homes."

   According to David Blaser, a minister who is also head of the accreditation firm, no one on the TACCCA board asked for Cameron's resignation. Susan Noble of the Texans Care for Children group told the Caller-Times that Cameron's membership on the certification group appeared to be a conflict of interest.


MORE CHARGES OF ABUSE, MISCONDUCT
   Nueces County Sheriff Larry Olivarez says that his department is now investigating seven other allegations of abuse, these apparently stemming from incidents in adult "homes" operated by the People's Baptist Church. In addition to the Rebekah and Anchor homes, Cameron's organization also runs the Lighthouse for men 18-25 years old, City of Refuge for men 25 years and older, and a Jubilee Home for Women.  
 
Marla Sheely of the Residential Child Care Licensing Division of the Texas department of Protective and Regulatory Services says that her unit is investigation a charge of abuse involving a resident of the Rebekah Home.

   "There's no accountability measure," said Samantha Smoot of the Texas Freedom Network. "They (PBC) feel they are protected from regulatory oversight."
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« Reply #874 on: February 25, 2006, 12:21:00 PM »
PROBE OF ABUSE CHARGES AT "BIBLE DISCIPLINE" HOME LEADS TO BUSH, RAISES QUESTIONS OF FAITH-STATE PARTNERSHIP


Web Posted: April 12, 2000
 police investigation into a Corpus Christi, Texas area Baptist group has uncovered allegations of child abuse, and a curious relationship with Texas Gov. George W. Bush. The incident also involves questions about Bush's call for a "faith partnership" between religious groups and government to administer social welfare services, and the history of a controversial evangelist -- Lester Roloff -- who locked horns with Texas state authorities over his operation of numerous "Bible discipline" homes for youngsters, alcoholics and drug addicts.

   Last week, county sheriff's deputies conducted a search of the People's Baptist Church youth homes looking for evidence which according to the Corpus Christi Times Caller newspaper, could corroborate reports of abusive behavior at the 600-acre facility. Eighteen-year-old Justin Simons told officials that a church employee punched him in the chest, and punished him and another young by tying their wrists together and forcing them to run through the woods and even dig a 15-foot-deep pit.

   "Simons told deputies he was not allowed to take a break unless he jumped across the pit," reported the Caller. "When he tried to jump the pit, he fell and sprained both ankles." The youngster's mother removed the boy from the church-operated home on Friday, and had him treated at a local hospital.

   On Saturday, deputies arrested the superintendent of the People's Baptist Church, Allen Smith, and charged him with abusing the two teens. Church pastor Wiley Cameron Sr. was also arrested when he refused to turn over records that were included in a warrant executed by the Nueces County Sheriff's Office. After a brief time in the local jail, Cameron ordered the information to be turned over, and was soon freed.

   More arrests could follow, according to local media reports.

   The People's Baptist Church operates the Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys, and carries on a ministry founded by the controversial evangelist Lester Roloff. Raised in a strict Baptist atmosphere, Roloff took his pet Jersey cow with him when he enrolled in Baylor University in the 1930s and sold milk to pay for his tuition. After college he pastored at a number of hard-shell Baptist churches, and in 1949 launched a "Family Altar" radio program. Roloff soon became known for his strident attacks on smoking, consuming alcohol and other vices, and as a proponent of "Bible discipline" for youngsters. He was soon branded as "controversial" by other Baptist ministers, especially after he opposed Baylor University's decision to grant President Harry S. Truman an honorary degree because of the latter's use of explicit language and lack of adherence to certain Bible standards.

   By 1956, even the fundamentalist conservatism of the Southern Baptist Convention was not enough for Roloff, and he left the organization after delivering a scathing attack during a sermon at Baylor University. It was then that he began to open a series of "homes" and "ranches" for troubled youth in Texas, Georgia and even on a barge- houseboat in the Gulf Intercoastal Waterway, accessible only by boat or sea plane. In January, 1968, Roloff Enterprises opened the Rebekah Home for Girls in Corpus Christi; young women were taught homemaking skills and how to conduct themselves "as becometh holiness." The People's Baptist Church was established the following year on 600 acres of land near Cuddihy Field. A "Jubilee Home" and "Lighthouse Ministry Center" soon followed, along with the Anchor Home for "troubled boys." Many of the youngsters and other residents were sent to Roloff's institution by disgruntled parents, judges and probation officers.

   Trouble began, though, in 1971 when the Texas Department of Public Welfare (later the Texas Department of Human Services) informed Roloff that the youth "homes" must meet certain licensing standards. Roloff, citing the separation of church and state, refused to comply, and after a lengthy court battle the homes were temporarily shut down in October, 1973. Roloff ended up in jail, but the Texas Supreme Court finally ruled in his favor. Passage of the Texas Child Care and Licensing Act in 1975 put Roloff back in the public spotlight, and once again the combative evangelist was locked in a legal battle with state authorities. After refusing to admit DHS investigators to the church grounds, Roloff was again in jail; at one point, youngsters and other residents of Roloff Enterprises were taken by police to the State Youth Prison.

    Roloff then launched what soon became known as the "Christian Alamo" incident. In 1977, Roloff and supporters organized a giant "Save Our Nation" rally in Dallas, Texas. A crowd estimated at 10,000 was joined by 1,500 ministers and representatives of other religious groups from across the country in a show of support for Roloff. In an effort to circumvent new state orders that he license the homes, residents of the Corpus Christi facilities were moved to other ministry compounds in Georgia and Mississippi; ownership of the homes was transferred from Roloff's corporation to the People's Church. Wiley Cameron, the current PBC pastor, came on board Roloff's operation in 1974, and today administers Roloff Enterprises. Lester Roloff was killed in an aircraft accident when his small plane crashed on November 2, 1982. His "Family Altar" program continues to air on 120 Christian radio stations throughout the country.

   Practices at Roloff's various "homes" and other ministerial operations attracted concern from media and authorities over charges involving abuse, beatings and other forms of "Bible based discipline" which the evangelist unabashedly espoused. An investigation by several newspapers, including the Tucson Citizen, brought many allegations to light, as did columnist Molly Ivin's article "Whippings for God" in New Times magazine. Roloff defended his punitive child-control techniques, though, declaring "Better a pink bottom than a black soul." Then-Texas State Attorney General John Hill bluntly responded, "I don't mind pink bottoms. What I do object to is black, blue and bloody..."


THE BUSH CONNECTION:
RFRA AND "FAITH PARTNERSHIPS"
   Roloff's creed of Bible-based punishment of rebellious youngsters -- a residue of Calvinist belief which teaches that a child's will is sinful and must be "broken" -- still plays well in many fundamentalist and evangelical circles. In an October 1977 magazine article, Dr. James W. Prescott, former president of the Maryland Psychological Association, warned that along with awareness about rising rates of child abuse, "The time has also come to recognize the painful truth that traditional Judeo-Christian moral values of pain and pleasure in human relationships have contributed substantially to child abuse and to the prevalence of physical violence in Western civilization." Prescott adds: "The religious system upon which our culture is based holds that pain, suffering and deprivation are moral and necessary to save one's soul and make one a 'good person.' The crucifixion and scourging of Christ are examples..."

   It may be odd, then, to find reputed ex-playboy turned presidential contender, George W. Bush, as a supporter of institutions like the People's Baptist Church. In fact, the church operations -- including Rebekah Home for Girls and the Anchor Home for Boys -- no longer seem to be under the scrutiny of the state of Texas. Instead, under a constitutionally suspect scheme, the religious homes are "licensed" by a private organization known as the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. which in February, 1999 accredited the PBC outreaches. This reversed a Texas Department of Human Services effort that began in the early 1990s to prevent the Church from using a form of temporary legal adoption of its clients in order to keep children at the Rebekah and Anchor homes.

 
 
   "The Christian agency will re-inspect the homes annually and has the power to take the accreditation away," notes the Corpus Christi Caller Times. It adds that the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. is "a private organization created by Gov. George W. Bush last year..." The "Agency" has inspected and accredited only one institution, and that is the People's Baptist Church.

   The cozy arrangement between PBC and the Texas Association of Child Care Agencies Inc. is part of a larger plan proposed by George W. Bush which calls for "partnerships" between faith-based groups and government. Under the Bush plan, a series of tax credits and direct grants would funnel public funds to faith-based organizations which would in turn administer social services. Religious groups would not be required to give up their "identity" as faith-based sects, thus opening up the prospect of public funding for sectarian outreaches. An editorial in the Houston Chronicle (7/22/99) criticized the Bush scheme and its peculiar tie to the Roloff homes. A similar piece in the Dallas Morning News quoted Carole Shields of People for the American Way suggesting that the scheme might force religion on people seeking held, and possibly crossed the line separating church and state.

   Lester Roloff and his legacy of abuse and "Bible discipline" also came up during debate over the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act in March, 1999. The measure requires the state government to demonstrate a "compelling interest" before interfering with any religious group or practice, and use a "least restrictive means" test when enforcing regulations. Major denominations throughout the state eagerly supported the RFRA, as did Mr. Bush. Sen. John Whitmire, though, raised the question of how far the state could go in trying to stop child abuse in religious schools and homes, citing Roloff's various "homes" and the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas.


CHILDREN AS VICTIMS OF "BIBLE DISCIPLINE"
   With the social faddism of everything from juvenile boot camps (shown to have poor results in correcting adverse behavior in youngsters) to "Bible-based" regimens that incorporate physical punishment and heavy doses of religious teaching, the latest reports of abuse at the Roloff homes should raise concerns about government-church partnerships -- particularly when dealing with children. The abuse charges, if true, suggested the "privatizing" the monitoring of institutions like the People's Baptist Church amount to an anemic form of self-policing for sectarian groups.

   Equally disturbing is the extent of such abuses. Roloff's "homes" were often located in secluded environments -- one could only be reached by boat or sea plane. The Corpus Christi charges are chillingly similar to allegations revealed by the Denver Rocky Mountain News in November, 1998 about an "American gulag" operated by Rev. Mack W. Ford.

   "He is a fiery Louisiana preacher who has incarcerated children for 27 years," noted News staff writer Lou Kilzer. The "juvenile detention compound in northern Louisiana" was operated under the aegis of Ford's New Bethany Baptist Church, and included 10-foot-high barbed-wire fences, and gruesome accounts of Ford's "private jail," "beatings," "lickings" and "paddling." The grandmother of one boy whose father converted a "strict fundamentalist Christian theology" had sought to rescue the youngster from Ford's control. Beginning in 1988, state authorities had raided the compound, freeing 28 youngsters aged 12 to 17 during one operation. "An affidavit in the case indicated that several children had severe bruising of the buttocks..."

   The problem of insular religious schools, "homes" and other institutions may only be exacerbated by state funding, and the poor monitoring of in-house religious groups like the Texas Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc. Worse yet, under the Bush plan -- and possibly even a scheme embraced by Vice President Al Gore -- everyone may end up paying for faith-based social services. The allegations of child abuse now surfacing in the Corpus Christi case raise serious questions about calls to form dangerous "partnerships" between government and sectarian religious groups.
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« Reply #875 on: February 25, 2006, 12:26:00 PM »
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BUSH CALLS FOR CHARITY TAX CREDITS, FEDERAL OFFICE TO PROMOTE FAITH-BASED SOCIAL PROGRAMS


Web Posted: July 23, 1999
epublican presidential candidate George W. Bush called yesterday for a working partnership between government and religious groups to combat social ills. Praising churches and other faith-based groups as part of the "armies of compassion," Bush described his proposal as "the next bold step in welfare reform."

   Addressing a crowd of over 500 parishioners at an Indianapolis, Ind. church, Bush said that if elected, his administration would rely on charitable groups including religious congregations. "We should promote these private and faith-based efforts because they work," the Texas governor declared. "But we should also promote them because their challenges are often greater than their resources." He promised to dedicate $8 billion to such groups in the first year of his presidency through a program of tax rebates and direct grants. According to Associated Press, the program "would be used to encourage Americans to give more to charity and increase the role of faith-based organizations in the fight to reduce poverty, welfare rolls, crime and other social problems." He called for states to provide tax credits to those donating money to charitable groups. "We will provide charity tax credits -- credits which will allow individuals to give a part of what they owe in state taxes directly to private and religious institutions fighting poverty in their community."

   Bush also promised to established an "Office of Faith-Based Action." Media reports described the agency as a "clearinghouse for information on effective religious organizations and assisting them in their dealings with the federal government." The office would also aid religious groups in seeking public monies; Bush noted that under his plan, "We will allow private and religious groups to compete to provide services in every federal, state and local social program."


MONKEY-SEE, MONKEY-DO
   The governor's remarks were part of his visit to a celebration hosted by Front Porch Alliance, a project initiated by Indianapolis Mayor Stephen Goldsmith which involves municipal government, neighborhood groups and local churches. They also mimic a proposal made in May by Vice President Al Gore who called for a "New Partnership" between church and state, and promised that if sent to the White House, "the voices of faith-based organizations will be integral to the policies set forth in my administration." Unlike Bush, Gore was short on specifics for his "partnership." Reacting to today's announcement, an official with the Gore campaign gushed, "We're glad to see George Bush following Al Gore's lead to work with faith-based organizations."

    Both political hopefuls insist that their programs would pass constitutional scrutiny and not foster entanglement between government and religion. Gore claimed that his "New Partnership" with church groups would be "carefully tailored" to supposedly avoid any legal problems, and today Mr. Bush said that federal funding would pay for services delivered by sectarian groups, but not for the religious teachings which they espouse. "I am told by legal experts that my program will pass constitutional muster," Bush promised reporters after his talk. "The question is, 'Does it work?' That's what we ought to ask as a society."


THE PUBLIC FUNDING OF RELIGION?
"No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious
worship, place or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced,
restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods..."

-- Act for Establishing Religious Freedom
Thomas Jefferson

   While religious groups do receive public funding, grants and other government perks, such assistance is -- in theory -- not be used for the promulgation of religious doctrine. Church-operated social outreaches which use public monies may not require a religious litmus test for applicants, or use the monies in any way to promote their doctrines. Critics say that government oversight, though, is often incomplete and that, ultimately, church groups cannot "secularize" their programs.

   While the scheme for aiding religious groups by promoting faith-based social outreaches is relatively new, its roots lay in the battles fought decades ago over government aid to parochial schools. Protestants often opposed any form of federal or state subsidies for the Roman Catholic school system, but in 1930 a state Supreme Court decided the important COCHRAN v. LOUISIANA STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION case. Louisiana had purchased and supplied textbooks free of charge for the parochial schools; under COCHRAN, the practice was upheld with the court ruling: "The schools, however, are not the beneficiaries of these appropriations ... The school children ... are the beneficiaries." Other state high courts decided that it was the schools and the religious institution which benefited, though, and the matter finally reached the U.S. Supreme Court in EVERSON v. BOARD OF EDUCATION OF EWING TOWNSHIP (1947).


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"While the scheme for aiding religious groups by promoting faith-based social outreaches is relatively new, its roots lay in the battles fought decades ago over government aid to parochial schools..."

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   There, New Jersey parents were reimbursed for fees charged to their children on public buses so that they could attend Roman Catholic schools. The high court emphasized the "child benefit" theory. That opened the door for religious schools to qualify for public funds under the School Lunch Act and other programs.

   The "benefit" theory was expanded in other court decisions; soon, government grants were being made to religious educational institutions including colleges, under the theory that it was students, not the church, which would "benefit." From 1964 to 1969, legislation was passed in thirteen of the states providing aid to religious schools. The theory was that public bankrolling for textbooks, transportation, lunches and other "benefits" to students was permissible, as long as it did not directly fund or promote, say, a religion class or activity. Today, vouchers continue to be justified as part of this slippery-slope of public funding.

   Similarly, beginning in the 1960s and into the 1970s, various Community Development Block Grant programs began fund social services administered by religious groups. The groups were required to obey guidelines as a condition for receiving the money, of course; in theory, a Salvation Army rescue mission operating with public funds could not require clients to participate in religious services. The programs had to be "secular," and, somehow, divorced from the religious mission of the providing institution.


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"The 'benefit' theory was expanded in other court decisions; soon, government grants were being made to religious educational institutions including colleges, under the theory that it was students,not the church, which would benefit..."

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   With that precedent, supporters of public aid to religion have now gone a step further, and demanded that "successful" programs which incorporate a faith-based message should be considered an "option." To many separationists, this is a logical extension of bad law established back in EVERSON, and continued with the questionable practice of expecting churches and other religious groups to operate -- and not benefit from -- secular social services. In fact, sectarian groups could legally benefit from such a public subsidy as long as an attorney could demonstrate to a court that they were not the primary beneficiary.

   How far has George Bush taken this precedent of public funding for religion? In Texas, Bush is a major supporter of voucher schemes that would reimburse parents and provide "opportunity scholarships" for students attending private and religious schools. He also supports religion-based rehabilitation programs for penal inmates and drug/alcohol abusers. Texas boasts the largest program in the country using faith-based regimens, including one operated by Charles Colson's Prison Fellowship Ministry. The 2-year, $5 million program is up for renewal shortly and thus far has been paid for with private funds. Prison security and support services, though, which enable Colson's program to operate, are provided at public expense. The Fellowship Ministry is hoping for public funding for the entire program if it is renewed.

 
 
   In Congress, legislators have already passed a measure which allows faith-based programs to compete for public funding to provide social services; it is unclear, though, what will happen if and when such funding grants are made. Some religious groups like National Catholic Charities already rely on the public treasury for the bulk of their funding, and reap handsome "administrative" fees for operating various outreaches. Other faith-based charities, though, may be tempted to resist any restrictions on their proselytizing activities; in that case, Rep. J.C. Watts' American Community Renewal Act (ACRA)and other proposals would help by granting such funding even to groups promoting a faith-based social message.

   And would such public funding really survive constitutional muster? Under the "benefit" theory, it possibly could. The changing political coloration of the U.S. Supreme Court may well pack the bench with justices who take a restrictive view of the Establishment Clause, considering it to be only a check on government interference in religious affairs.

   In the meantime, with campaign 2000 already heating up, candidates of both leading parties are turning to god, religion and the churches for support. When is the last time you heard a candidate openly and positively defend the separation of church and state as a necessary feature of enlightened, secular society? In calling for "partnerships" and deals with religious groups, though, both Mr. Bush and Mr. Gore are reducing the separation of church and state to a cumbersome obstacle which can be circumvented, or an embarrassment to be mentioned only in passing.
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GORE THREATENS THE WALL, CALLS FOR "NEW PARTNERSHIP" BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AND CHURCHES, OTHER RELIGIOUS GROUPS


Web Posted: May 26, 1999
n a speech replete with references to belief in god and the value of religion, Vice President Albert Gore proposed earlier this week what he termed a "New Partnership" between government and faith-based groups. Gore told a friendly audience at a Salvation Army drug rehabilitation center in Atlanta, Ga. that if elected president, "the voices of faith-based organizations will be integral to the policies set forth in my administration."

   "The 'politics of community' will be neither government doing everything, nor the churches and charities picking up the slack when government scales back," Gore declared. "A politics of community can be strengthened when we are not afraid to make connections between spirituality and politics."

   The 30-minute address drew a warm response from Gore's religious audience, and at times sounded more like a sermon than a whistle stop in his efforts to capture the White House in the 2000 elections. Although he paid lip service to "the founders' precious separation of church and state," Gore lambasted those who "have said for too long that religious values should play no role in addressing public needs," describing this as "hollow secularism."

   "I believe strongly in the separation of church and state. But freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. There is a better way..."

   The Vice President also challenged what he described as an "allergy to faith," and praised the work of his wife, noted censorcrat Tipper Gore, for her involvement in faith-based outreach groups. He also recounted the story of how Christ House, a Washington, D.C. social service agency provided both medical treatment and "a much deeper type of healing." Gore followed that anecdotal tale with a story about a women who had gone on welfare and was finding it difficult to obtain employment, then signed up for job training at the Christian Women's Job Corps. "There, she met a woman who mentored her through prayer and Bible study, and she soon began to regain her self confidence. Faith gave her a new feeling of self worth, of purpose..."


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"I believe strongly in the separation of church and state. But freedom of religion does not mean freedom from religion. There is a better way..."

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   Gore went on to praise religious social programs throughout the country, describing this merger of government and faith-based activism as "the politics of community."

   "The men and women who work in faith -- and values -- based organizations are driven by their spiritual commitment; to serve their God, they have sustained the drug-addicted, the mentally ill, the homeless... Most of all, they have done what government can never do; what it takes (is) God's help..." Playing to his Atlanta audience, the Vice President heaped praised upon the local Salvation Army, and quoted the local Captain whose motto is "Our belief in God is in all the steps to recovery."

   "I believe that faith in itself is sometimes essential to spark a personal transformation," noted Mr. Gore.


THE ASHCROFT AMENDMENT:
PUTTING RELIGIONS ON THE DOLE
   Though not mentioning it by name, Gore praised the controversial amendment by Sen. John Ashcroft which became part of a sweeping 1996 welfare reform law by inserting a Charitable Choice clause. The measure permits states to subsidize the resources of churches and other religious groups in providing social services. "They can do so with public funds -- and without having to alter the religious character that is so often the key to their effectiveness," declared Gore. In apparent contradiction, though, he then said "We must ensure that there is always a high-quality secular choice available," adding "We must continue to prohibit direct proselytizing as part of any publicly funded efforts." That flip was followed by another twist, "But we must dare to embrace faith-based approaches that advance our shared goals as Americans."

    Separationists, though, have warned that legislation such as the Ashcroft Amendment threatens to violate the prohibition on governmental "excessive entanglement" with churches and other religious groups. While government may require "secular alternatives," or mandate that no religious group is discriminated against when money is handed out, this sort of program still places the state in the dubious position of funding faith-based groups and outreaches. Others point out that faith-based organizations have no role to play in operating secular social programs, and are simply unable to separate their religious mission with any secular goals; indeed, the Salvation Army official praised by Mr. Gore declared that "belief in god" was a primary component of the organization's rehabilitation scheme. Gore noted that in many faith-based groups, a welfare client "is not a number but a child of God."


CANDIDATES EMBRACING PUBLIC RELIGIOSITY
   Gore's Atlanta speech suggests an alarming trend which is emerging in the upcoming Year 2000 race for the presidency. The Vice President faces only token opposition thus far for the Democratic Party nomination, but could encounter an uphill fight from some Republican hopefuls who have already staked out the "faith-and-values" position in their own campaigns. From feisty Pat Buchanan to Texas Governor George W. Bush, a burgeoning economy leaves the GOP field concentrating on questions involving public morality and the role of religion in a secular culture. Associated Press reporter Sandra Sobieraj observed, "For Gore, the political benefit of religious talk is twofold; it sneaks some ground out from under Republicans who have long dominated the morals debate; and, less overtly, may serve to disassociate him from Clinton's personal scandals."

   Sensing the heightened partisan confrontation over religion-in-government, Republican National Committee chairman Jim Nicholson described Gore's "New Partnership" between church and state as a welcome "change of heart," but added, "It's taken too long for candidate Gore to join Republicans in recognizing the rightful role of churches and religious organizations in solving society's most challenging and pressing problems."

   But Gore's Atlanta speech ignited debate and some concern within Democratic ranks, a possible crisis that has been building since politicians moved to capitalize on the Littleton, Colorado high school slayings last month. Elaine Kamarch, a senior policy advisor inside the Gore campaign, told the Boston Globe that "The Democratic Party is going to take back God this time," in anticipation of the 2000 presidential fight. And even before his Atlanta sermon, Gore has been playing the role of teacher and avuncular disciplinarian to the nation. Speaking at a graduation ceremony at the University of New Hampshire, Mr. Gore "launched a new phase of his presidential campaign" as he invoked "an Old Testament story in a call for young people to master the temptations of evil and sin," noted the paper.

   Dr. John Green, political scientist at the University of Akron, noted that Gore's growing emphasis on religious motifs and rhetoric, especially in the opening rounds of a presidential bid, is unusual for a Democrat. Green observed that the party "has developed a large, secular constituency of nonreligious people who don't react particularly well to religious language," and cited issues such as abortion and gay rights, and prayer in public schools. "With the shootings at Columbine and the disgust over President Clinton's sexual escapades," observed the Globe, "Green said there is a vast hunger for spirituality, meaning and morality in everyday life."

   Indeed, the Columbine shootings have precipitated a national debate over values and religion, violence in the news media, and even the role of movies, videos and music in modern culture. Some such as religious right culture guru William Bennett insist that "no price is too high" in "saving" youngsters from such alleged pernicious influences; others point to the Columbine incident as a case where tragedy is being exploited to advance narrow and intolerant sectarian agendas. Gore has used Columbine shooters Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris as examples of youngsters who "chose evil." In his New Hampshire address, the Vice President noted "The story from Genesis does have some parallel ... these boys described themselves as outcasts and felt rejected. They became vulnerable to a choice that can be characterized as good and evil..."

   While Gore warned against government "proscribing what religious beliefs any family should take," he maintained that there is "abundant evidence that if religious observance is consistent with the value system of that family, there are lots of benefits to children if they are taught those values and traditions from the earliest years on." The report in the Boston Globe said that Gore "does not reject people who have embraced atheism," although the Democratic front-runner said "I don't agree with it."
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« Reply #877 on: February 27, 2006, 11:51:00 AM »
your experiences are bullshit. you were the biggest slut in the homes. we all know that you were fucking every person, male and felmale, you could get your greasy hands and clit on
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« Reply #878 on: February 27, 2006, 01:13:00 PM »
*wondering who this post is for*
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« Reply #879 on: March 03, 2006, 09:03:00 PM »
Hey, its strange no one's been in a good fight in here in a long time. Its actually cool again.
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« Reply #880 on: March 17, 2006, 03:21:00 PM »
Is this Lisa Goodman????
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« Reply #881 on: April 01, 2006, 09:36:00 PM »
I don't know who any of you people are, but I think it's crappy to ask for someone by name.  Perhaps whoever posted that does not yet want you to know who she is.  And if it's not Lisa Goodman, then Lisa Goodman may not want her name appearing anywhere here.  

I remember Lisa Goodman, and I'd like to thank her for her strength for staying true to herself in such an oppressive enviornment - she was awesome.  Please don't "out" anyone else, it's shabby behavior.

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« Reply #882 on: April 02, 2006, 03:40:00 PM »
I must've missed the post where she was "outed"  :roll:
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« Reply #883 on: April 02, 2006, 07:00:00 PM »
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I'm just talking about people's names.  I'm sure there are many people who would not want their full name posted here.
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« Reply #884 on: April 03, 2006, 12:50:00 PM »
It's OK, I don't mind being "outed" Yes, I often wonder what happened to a lot of the girls....Rebekah was a lifetime ago, we've all changed, and for sure grown up...

Maybe if we did post our names we could find out how many of us are still around, and how everyone is doing. I just hope everyone is enjoying and savoring each day.  Peace to you all!

Lisa Goodman
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