On 2005-12-25 07:40:00, GentleStormi wrote:
"yes I have heard of these types of virus programs that are email programs, its sad that they even exist and create such havoc and hurt. And the email programs do run on their own, and it is not from the person but its a virus that goes and does its havoc without the person being even aware of it happening.
An E-mail virus comes into a personal email account and then has the ability to look through all the names in your email address book, and can send itself to others from you to them.
Check out these sites:
Viruses Spread by Email
http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/email/viruses/
How do viruses and worms spread in e-mail?
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/question339.htm
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/virus1.htm
Types of Infection
Viruses - A virus is a small piece of software that piggybacks on real programs. For example, a virus might attach itself to a program such as a spreadsheet program. Each time the spreadsheet program runs, the virus runs, too, and it has the chance to reproduce (by attaching to other programs) or wreak havoc.
E-mail viruses - An e-mail virus moves around in e-mail messages, and usually replicates itself by automatically mailing itself to dozens of people in the victim's e-mail address book.
So as you can see it is true that a virus as an "e-mail virus" has the capacity to automatically mail itself out to someone in ones address book.
it does not mean that Angie herself sent it out. Do your research and you may find that it is indeed an email virus.
Do not be so rash and quick and unthinking and set yourself to do harm to someone who was not doing you any harm. Her very character and personality is not that way.
Angie, is one of the nicest and one of the most hardest working responsible persons I have ever run into in the Roloff Survivor world. She has not one iota of a vicious bone in her, she is a very strong and healthy minded person. She is busy with her life and always doing things to improve herself and her life and she has not the excessive free time to sit around doing or even thinking up mean and vicious things, she is a busy person and enjoys life and her friends.
How sad that others rashly and quickly assume that about her, this is one of the problems with a lot of people who frequent this very unsafe forum called fornits, they are all quick to assume and fast to jump to a conclusion and speak rashly and speak with venom, and absolutely no prethought or insight or wisdom!
Seems I have read on here that some of the busiest readers and interacters on this fornits forum here have also spoken that 'RebekahSurvivors' group is a cult.
What in the world is that supposed to mean?
A cult is a group that circles its world around one person and one ideology. That drains its people of their time, money and resources. That builds its empire from the sweat of its followers, and the followers do not benefit.
When a group decides not to let some people in, that only means that it is working to create a specific type of group. And to keep some of those out who are seen as unsafe persons who have not gained any reputation for being safe or trustworthy. Like the person who posted that venonmous post about Angie, that is what is not safe, and that is what hollers out loudly that this person who posted it does not think about how what they do effects another person, that kind of person is not a safe person.
That is all that goes into creating a safe group. How can you jump then to assuming it is a cult. Some people here come across as very un-read and not knowing very much information about what a cult is and what a cult would do or not do. And appear not very well informed nor educated enough to know what a cult looks like though they went through one in Roloffs.
People in 'RebekahSurvivors' group are free to express their opinions and free to live their lives. The group does not demand them to put aside their life and it does not demand that everyone drop their beliefs and follow one persons ideas. It also has a safety net that creates a safe place where noone is permitted to flame and torch and attack anyone. Its a safe group. And it is built on the principles of safeness for those who are in the group. It is not a group where you come in and have to always watch your back for some embedded roach to jump out and attack you for what you do believe and feel, where as in here on fornits it is that way. One does not feel any rest here and no sense of feeling safe here. Its not a safe place to process with other survivors to help promote healing and foster positive outlooks. For you never know what vicious person will come and attack, and however hard it is for you and others to try to fathom it, some of the survivors of Roloffs want to be in a group setting where they all know one another and all interact and feel safe in doing it. How is that a cult, please do not accuse what you do not know a thing about obviously. Safe groups are not cults, they are safe groups that work on the principles of safty. Built that way by responsible and thinking persons who have put effort and thought into the group. Not a quick thrown together group that its very existence feels no real grounding or security.
If anyone would be interested in looking closer at the idea of the term of "cult" there is a very well documented and well researched website out at this site:
ICSA resources about psychological manipulation, cultic groups, sects, and new religious movements.
http://www.csj.org/
It is chock filled with information that is well researched and well documented and very balanced in thought about cults and all that goes into cults and what victims are in need of and how to help oneself if one is in a cult.
It also helps you to learn about the differences between a real science versus the quacks of psuedoscience.
GentleStormi
Moderator
RebekahSurvivors
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Well one thing that one would view un-safe is someone who would kick someone out of a group for doing nothing more than cussing, And not at anyone. I also view that as controlling. And unfair. You did not just remove them from the group but thier friends. I thought it to be harsh. But the thing that really bugged me about it, Was the fact that while I was going through a hard time and almost lost my boy, You disrespected me by mailing me e=mailes about these people and saying bad things about them. In fact you e-mailed everyone in the group and said bad things about them. I thought it cruel that you would try to turn thier friends against them. That is when my first red flag went up. Because you did not care enough about me or what I was going through, and not burden me with all that. Plus threatening to close the group and did. I did not need to lose my group at that time, I needed my group and thier support. My boy was in a coma and almost died, My Gwd! I came home one day thinking he was going to die, He is my life!
Go to my group? No group? No friends? I want to know ? Did it ever at one point cross your mind that might hurt me? Has it ever? I was suppose to be your friend? Then You open chatzy and kick me out because Of doing nothing more than cutting up and You wanted to make it hard for people to get in, And I dare disagree with you. Plus you wanted me to join your group and I would not. Why? Ya think maybe it had to do with the fact that you shut the other one when I needed it most? I was really happy there. That was the 2nd group you closed with out any fore thought that it hurt the girls that you just shut the doors on without any warning. And split all the girls up again. And any that did not want to follow your rules was out. I left the rules a long time ago. You view the yahoo group as bad people and unsafe also. There happen to be some good people in that group. People are allowed to voice thier opinions in there and you do not like it. Freedom of speech is not in your rule book. Wouldn't that be kinda like roloffs? The cult? Lets see?
? You kicked another girl in the teeth practically By posting on your front page that her beliefs where not acceptable to you.
Because she believed in a goddess. You did not accept her for being a person but by what she believed. This person being the kindest dearest person I have met in a long time. She is more true at heart, forgiving decent a person than most that claim to be Christians, such as yourself who is not forgiving and judging.
Didn't roloff tell us how to believe and not to believe? You know the Cult? Did he not shut the world and people out that did not share his beliefs. Weren't people beaten and shunned for not sharing his beliefs? As you shunned her in front of the whole group? Do you not shut the world out from your group for not believing as you? Any one that is not willing to go by your hand written rule book is cast from your group.
doesn't a cult do that? There was a girl that came to your group that loves Roloff. You told her she did not belong there, She believed different from your narrow views. So what if she liked the man? He was kind to her. She has shown to me to be a good person and a very loving person. I do not care how she believes or who she loves, I accept her for who she is and that she loves. Well, Out she went! Yesterdays laundry to you! You didn't think twice about getting her out of your safe place. It is a controlled place!
If someone tries to join your group who is a good person and never did any thing to you, Then they can knock but they can't come in! Because they are being judged by what group they have been in. And I know for fact you have done this.
Don't you view the Bethesda group as un-safe?
I know this for fact because you told me so.
Sounds like the whole world is unsafe? You wrote all my friends and said bad things about me. Some I kept some I lost, The ones I lost i guess never really where. What is different about you and I is I will say what ever it is in the open.
But you slither around like a sneaky snake and do it behind peoples backs. You attack from the back and blind side your victim's. All the while up holding your bible in one hand Claiming to be the all righteous Christian All the while hurting and judging others. You spew out verses of the bible Left and right. But you only use them for 2 reasons! To manipulate and to hurt! You abuse the bible in the worst way! Like the workers did at the home to your advantage. The Cult! It is people like you that do these things is why I do not want to be around most so called Christians.
I do not need a definition of what a cult is, There is one right here in front of me.
I won't stand for you scolding me or referring to me as Untrustworthy ,unsafe. no insight and no wisdom! The only word you left out was fucking!
True I made a mistake, I admitted I did, Un like you ever have! I call that a self righteous Hypocrite.
" A Cult is a group that circles its world around one person and one ideology"
Wouldn't that be someone dictating ones believes? Because I have seen plenty of that from you. You just substitute one word for another. Your ideology is that everyone who is not in your group is unsafe. Your Ideology is that one that dose not share your beliefs Is unsafe. Your Ideology is that your voice is the only one right voice.
Your ideology is that there must be one specific type of group and one only, Yours!
Your ideology is to infringe your views and religious hoopla on other people.
I felt your religious views where forced on me, and was very stressful for me. All the while calming love and huggles? You only loved me if you could control me. and you could not so I was of no use to you therefore rejected, Just as they did at the home. Maybe that is why,- how you hurt me hit so close to home cause you did to me what they did all the while claiming Love.
Have you ever stopped to think that things you do also effect other people and can sting.
Did you ever stop to think that is why I am so angry with yall? Had I of not had trust issues with yall,I wouldn't of thought it or posted it.
Don't you dare make me the exsample of why you don't let people in your group! I will not be your escape goat! Because I have seen you turn good decent people away that would never hurt a flea. It is because of your own issues.
I am in a good group where people do not attack each other and care about each other and Guess what no rules? They are good people who behave as adults. Thing is most of them You turned away.
I am here to tell ya, You missed out on some wonderful people. I love them and would do nothing to hurt any of them. They probably wish I weren't so outspoken sometimes, And if I am wrong or cross the line they will tell me because they are my friends, But you see that is the difference, You never where. And if they don't like what I have written here and now, They will let me know without beating me over the head the the bible or rejecting me,Because they are called friends.
I will end with saying, And cold it may well be,
But you can take G.S. out of the Home But You can't take the home out of G.S.
When are you going to wake up? You still think like them, and treat people like them.
And if you think fornits is unsafe also, then don't come in here. There is freedom of speech here, and no controlling peoples conversations.
Again I am very sorry for what I did to Angie.
I made a mistake. I can admit it.
And if people don't like me for posting this, there is nothing I can do about that because it is how I feel...I can't control how others feel- and do not want to. I can listen and try to understand but control? Nope done learned that.
