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[Saber Tooth]

The Old Frog

Two small boys on opposite banks, starring at one another.
If not for the pond between the two, they could be mistaken for brothers.
Two little boys, with fresh young faces but old hatreds fill their eyes.
Glaring across at one another, with anger and despise.
"Why do you both feel this way?" croaks the old frog from his lily pad.
"What have you done to one another?" uncertain why they're mad.
"My father said, this is our way, that his side did us wrong."
"Well my uncle has said, your sides to blame." shouts a reply from across the pond.
The old frog then looks at both of the boys and questions with dismay.
"How can these brothers someday soar together, if they're chained down by yesterday?"

by W.A.S.
Used with Permission

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-07 20:17:00, freebird wrote:

"looking for my friends i was in rebekah in 83 85 does anyone know shawna thompson, or carol kay.

why do you people who call us cry babies just go away

1. why are you even on this website?

2. why does any of this matter to you?

3. why do you even give a shit how we feel?

4.why do you feel like making fun of us?

  instead of calling us freaks why dont you just go away? why do you keep replying?

what business is it of yours, why we want to talk to each other, and share our time in the homes.

why dont you just answer these ? honestly without having a damn heartattack.

 do u even know me? no you dont.

do you know what they did to me ? no you dont

so why do you just shut your mouth.or start telling us why you are on here.

"

Why are you on this Website?
Because I have a right to be heard to.
Why dose this matter to you?
For the same reason it matters to you.
Why do you even give a shit how we feel?
Why don't you give a shit how we feel when you
continue to shove the past down out throats?
And choke us half to death with their control.
You wag it around like an old blanky when all we want is to take it out of your hands and throw the damn thing away. It is hard to get someone to throw something away that has a grip from hell on it.
Why are you making fun of us?
We could have fun with you if you would give a little more of yourself and a little less of your hatered. It is hard to relate to someone who is always stepping on their bottem lip and whimpering 24-7. Act like a child get treated like a child.
In stead of calling us freaks why don't you just go away? Why do you keep replying.
Because you are acting like freaks!
A Freak is: A highly unusual or unlikely occurrence, often brought about by a unique or very rare combination of circumtances. Overemotional: to become, or to make somebody, very nervous,upset,or angry.
You are not the only one this has happened to.
Ask yourself this, Are you unique or rare? Because you are acting like you are and it is insulting to us. Might it be insensitive to be treating us like we have not been there also?
That if we are not still feeling sorry for ourselfs, We do not belong here also? Just because we feel differently you greet us with your hand in our face?
We have the right to reply! We have a right to our feelings as well.
Why don't we just go away? I let the Cameron's answer that one!
We do not have to take being dismissed by you.
What business is it of mine,why you want to talk to each other, and share your times at the homes?
Talk away! Just stop whineing and moaning. It gets annoying. If you where talking, I would be tempted to jump in.
You do not know me either or you would not issue commands. Or? You would know compromise makes friends, Commands make enemys.
NO I don't know what they did to you. I know what they did to me, Why wouldn't I? You keep reminding me!
And No I won't shut up or put up with you telling me to. Have you got your answers now?

[Anonymous]

:nworthy: ditto. to your answers.well said whoever

[Saber Tooth]

ATTITUDE

Attitude is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than what people do or say. It is more important than appearance, giftedness, or skill.

The remarkable thing is, we have a choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day.

We cannot change our past. We can not change the fact that people act in a certain way. We can not change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude.  :wink:

from Strengthening Your Grip
by Charles Swindoll

When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=william+blake' target='_new'>William Blake

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-08 09:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

On 2005-11-07 20:17:00, freebird wrote:


"looking for my friends i was in rebekah in 83 85 does anyone know shawna thompson, or carol kay.


why do you people who call us cry babies just go away


1. why are you even on this website?


2. why does any of this matter to you?


3. why do you even give a shit how we feel?


4.why do you feel like making fun of us?


  instead of calling us freaks why dont you just go away? why do you keep replying?


what business is it of yours, why we want to talk to each other, and share our time in the homes.


why dont you just answer these ? honestly without having a damn heartattack.


 do u even know me? no you dont.


do you know what they did to me ? no you dont


so why do you just shut your mouth.or start telling us why you are on here.


"

Why are you on this Website?

Because I have a right to be heard to.

Why dose this matter to you?

For the same reason it matters to you.

Why do you even give a shit how we feel?

Why don't you give a shit how we feel when you

continue to shove the past down out throats?

And choke us half to death with their control.

You wag it around like an old blanky when all we want is to take it out of your hands and throw the damn thing away. It is hard to get someone to throw something away that has a grip from hell on it.

Why are you making fun of us?

We could have fun with you if you would give a little more of yourself and a little less of your hatered. It is hard to relate to someone who is always stepping on their bottem lip and whimpering 24-7. Act like a child get treated like a child.

In stead of calling us freaks why don't you just go away? Why do you keep replying.

Because you are acting like freaks!

A Freak is: A highly unusual or unlikely occurrence, often brought about by a unique or very rare combination of circumtances. Overemotional: to become, or to make somebody, very nervous,upset,or angry.

You are not the only one this has happened to.

Ask yourself this, Are you unique or rare? Because you are acting like you are and it is insulting to us. Might it be insensitive to be treating us like we have not been there also?

That if we are not still feeling sorry for ourselfs, We do not belong here also? Just because we feel differently you greet us with your hand in our face?

We have the right to reply! We have a right to our feelings as well.

Why don't we just go away? I let the Cameron's answer that one!

We do not have to take being dismissed by you.

What business is it of mine,why you want to talk to each other, and share your times at the homes?

Talk away! Just stop whineing and moaning. It gets annoying. If you where talking, I would be tempted to jump in.

You do not know me either or you would not issue commands. Or? You would know compromise makes friends, Commands make enemys.

NO I don't know what they did to you. I know what they did to me, Why wouldn't I? You keep reminding me!

And No I won't shut up or put up with you telling me to. Have you got your answers now?

"

ok, so it is free country. you have your opinon and i have mine. why is it that you came on this web site. if you are over it what keeps you on here reading and posting? what is it you want to talk about? all you seem to do is call people names. and insult them for having there own personal feelings. can you in anyway say anything nice about rebekah? if so i would like to know. because i dont remember anything positive. except the friends i had. i would like to know what ever became of them. some of these girls are having a hard time, some are just now remembering what has happened. and there will be other girls and boys because these homes are still opened. the last thing they need is for another person to tell them they are wack-o they do not need to be put down anymore. let them express themselves, it was something none of us could do in rebekah with out fear.

[Anonymous]

some of you may be over it but you seem to have lost your compassion and empathy for you fellow people. if you feel we are shoving it in your face and you are choking on it perhaps you would be more comfortable starting your own website for discussing whatever it is you would rather be talking about or is your only intention in here  to belittle others who want to talk about their experiences because you think their freaks and you can yell and feel insulted by their show of pain. you are right you have the right to come in here but what constructive thing is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with our experiences at rebekah or that was so good about that home. i may be a freak but i at least have a heart capable of having caring feelings for others who still have pain from their past. i understand people being over it and going on with their lives but i do not understand why they are wasting their lives telling people to get over it and calling them names and making fun of them. it seems they may have some unsolved issues they are hiding from and they cover it up by coming in here and acting like bullys.

[The Liger]

On 2005-11-08 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"why are you holding on to this one bad experience? can you not see that the people you hate the most are still controlling you? by you walking around with bitterness and hate still in your heart, you have givin your power up to them. take back your power! i was in the homes, i do know what we all went through. i choose not to whine and woller in self pity. can you see how mind controlled you still are? it is amazing to me how those people still control you today.my message to you is get over it and move on in life. try to forgive your parents for sending you to the funny farm. you must hate your parents worse because they gave you to the wackos.why hate on the wackos, your parents knew more than you did, and they left you there. place the blame where it needs to be placed.             "

Rephrased:  Take the hate out of your heart for the schools, but put it back in against your parents...?

[The Liger]

I bet that a lot of the people insulting others on this forum are either staff, former staff, or former helpers (or whatever they called them at your facility).  Why else would they be so defensive of the schools and aggressive against the former students?  

Or, maybe they have lived their lives thinking that the schools were right, and now their realities are being shaken by all the stories of abuse.  

Think about it, would you really spend time on a forum where you thought everyone was whining and complaining unless you had some sort of personal stake in defending against what they are saying?  Yeah, they have a right to be here, but the fact that they are here says a lot about where they're coming from.

I really think everyone should IGNORE the people who are intent on being as degrading as the staff at the schools and exercise THEIR right to free speech.  Every time someone tells you to stop complaining, complain some more.  Every time someone tells you to get over it, tell another story.  

And don't forget that you cannot reason with someone who refuses to hear you.

On 2005-11-09 08:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"some of you may be over it but you seem to have lost your compassion and empathy for you fellow people. if you feel we are shoving it in your face and you are choking on it perhaps you would be more comfortable starting your own website for discussing whatever it is you would rather be talking about or is your only intention in here  to belittle others who want to talk about their experiences because you think their freaks and you can yell and feel insulted by their show of pain. you are right you have the right to come in here but what constructive thing is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with our experiences at rebekah or that was so good about that home. i may be a freak but i at least have a heart capable of having caring feelings for others who still have pain from their past. i understand people being over it and going on with their lives but i do not understand why they are wasting their lives telling people to get over it and calling them names and making fun of them. it seems they may have some unsolved issues they are hiding from and they cover it up by coming in here and acting like bullys."

[Anonymous]

i personally do not hate either one. i am saying you guys sit back and blame the homes. your parents are the ones that sent you there. i am a parent and i try to keep myself informed. no way in hell i would send my child to a place i literally know know nothing about. who is to hold the ultimate blame? you and my, screwed up    parents that left us in the hands of idiots. as a parent it is your sole responsibility to make sure your child/children are taken care of. i feel like my mother let me completely down in sending me to a place full of religious nuts,considering my mother doesn't believe in religion. did you come from a religious home?

[Anonymous]

:wave:

Some of us have got over it as you put it, Some of us are still healing and trying to get over it. We have all had our own cross to carry. I certainly will not deny it has been hard on every one. I am a firm believer that peoples story's should be heard and told. I believe that there is a lot to be learned by them.
We have not lost our compassion or empathy for those who want to tell their story's. I for one resent that you imply that. You in one sentence have dictated to me exactly what I for one am so angry about! Let me Quote it for you!
" what (constructive thing) is it you want to talk about that does not have to do with (our experiences) at Rebekah or (that was so good about that home")You are implying that other people have nothing constructive to say! That our words don't hold any weight or even matter to you! That is one sided to me! If we choose not to come in here in total agreement of what you say and see only your views? let me give you an example of your views:  Another quote from the all mighty grate ones!  "(What's wrong with you? You shouldn't even be on this forum of survivors who come here for support, when you support the roloff cults. You are still brainwashed, and I feel bad for you. You think it was normal a young teen jumped out a second story window. Think about this, maybe JESUS told her to do it to escape)" Hey dose this look like a story to you? Looks like finger pointing and judgeing to me! I am sick to death of when someone wants to tell about something good that happen to them there being called brainwashed and a supporter being accused of still being in a cult!
Then you say quote:"what constructive thing do I have to say that has anything to do with you all's experience?" You are not saying every ones experience you are saying just yours and if it it not about what happen to you then it just ain't so important! Who died and left you in charge oh mighty One!
And No I don't like it shoved in my face That if I talk about my own experience or others do we are called names and bad people Because we choose to view our life's differently than yours!
You are not here to listen to anything that you are not in agreement with! You are not willing to take a step back and understand and respect the fact that our voice counts too! But you can't hear ours because you are to busy Whining out your own!
Why don't you go start your own website! And by all means name it after the Cameron's! So everyone knows up front that unless you want to have them served up to you for breakfast lunch and super, then do not enter! I was also under the Cameron's and I hated them too! But I choose not to be consumed by it and let them have power over my life or my every waking thought! If you do fine by me, Just stop judging me because I choose not to. And no I don't like belittling anyone but I will not stand for being labeled a supporter or being accused of being brainwashed!
I do feel for their pain but they do not feel for my progress,quite frankly that pisses me off to be knocked down for moving on with my life!
And for the record they are freaks if they think they are the only ones that have been hurt by the homes. and continue to condemn others for not being or thinking just like them. I am not insulted by their show of pain I am insulted by their show of ass and lack of respect for people who where there long before them and longer than them. They do not know everything! For the record there where some good things in the home Called friends! Which taught me a grate deal about respect and support. These people don't want support they won't pity and bitterness. If you have a heart and are capable of caring for others feelings then way can't you be happy for those who have worked hard to get past their pain! Why can't you be capable of caring for those who decided to stop being over shadowed and over powered By all those demons from the past? And I have been there and cryed myself to sleep many a night! But I will be damned if you or anyone else is going to make me feel bad because I made it past the finish line, because I am proud of who I am and choose not to go back where I have been. If we out witted you and outlasted you then stop being such soar losers!
Pick your self up by the bootstraps move on and stop expecting ever one to feel sorry for you!
Everyone knows that a drowning man can pull you down with him. I will throw out a life raft but if you choose not to grab it and save yourself then it is out of my hands.
And yes there has been some name calling but it has come from both sides. The tit for tat shit
is just that and it is childish Its he said she said. It takes 2 to tango. If you can't take it then don't dish it out. Nobody has bullied anybody! It is just more name calling. Now if you don't mind I would like to get on with my life and you can get on crying over spilled milk and feeling sorry for yourself.

[Anonymous]

ck. Yourself

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-07 19:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"thk u for ur letter defending the people that "cry like babies" about what happened to us. I was also doing research on this (it has taken me 4 years since I left in 2001 to even face it) when I came across her letter. It really hurt my feelings. It's confusing enough when my own family can't acknowledge my pain and hurt and then for someone to say things like that it makes me question my own pain. But after reading your letter it confirmed what I have felt for a long time and thk u for that. God bless you! I love your heart. :tup: " it has taken me 20 years to face it and it is hard. good luck to you. what home were you in. were you in florida or texas.

[Anonymous]

Can we agree to disagree? ::

[Anonymous]

Listen

When I ask you to listen to me and you start giving me advice, you have not done what I asked.

When I ask you to listen to me and you begin to tell me that I shouldn't feel that way, you are trampling on my feelings.

When I ask you to listen to me and you feel you have to do something to solve my problem, you have failed me, strange as that may seem.

Listen! All that I asked was that you listen--not talk or do--just hear me.

Advice is cheep. Thirty-five cents will get you both Dear Abby and Billy Graham in the same newspaper.

All I can do is do for myself. I am not helpless--maybe discouraged, but not helpless.

When you do something for me that I can and need to do for myself, you contribute to my fear and inadequacy.

So, please listen and just hear me. If you want to talk, wait a minute for your turn--and I'll listen to you.

[Anonymous]

Who is this?  My name is Sharon Gange.  I was there in 87-88.  I was under the Palmers and came in Missouri, then we all went to Louisianna and then Texas.  I am trying to get in touch with anyone that was there.  Sarina Miller from Philadelphia, PA and I are still good friends.  I have kept in touch with Shannon also.