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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2007, 07:45:55 PM »
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Truthfully, is Mel Riddile dangerous on a par with Randall Hinton?


Moreso, by far.

Quote from: ""C.S. Lewis""

"Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies, The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."

C.S. Lewis, In Freedom
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« Reply #61 on: April 05, 2007, 07:55:16 PM »
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Moreso, by far.

Probably so, but is he more dangerous than Frank Discussion?
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« Reply #62 on: April 05, 2007, 08:30:59 PM »
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 A couple of years ago I was very often in the grips of a rage that rose up powerfully when I began to confront things that had happened to me and also from hearing other survivors' stories. Newly, there were the words of other survivors sharing the same and more extreme stories of abuse as well as similar feelings, which for years I had felt but also repressed as immaterial, regarding the destruction of identity in Straight. I gained by shared storytelling a better compassion for my own history re Straight. I was mourning and raging not just for my own history, but for so many others' too. It never felt right to join in the RTP cult's "Psychic Experiment" to blast Miller Newton with hate rays or whatever. But before that we had our thread "Die Straight Stalag" mit Drugdoplh HitTroll, thank god for fun like that.

Just look at all the shit that has hit Miller Newton since the two psychic experiments went down.  Trust me on this one, RTC-sponsored psychic attacks are more effective, and more fun, than a dozen court-orders and five hundred protests and twenty-three candlelight vigils combined.  Not only do they help bring about what we in the mindfuck-erasure industry refer to as 'closure' for the participants, they also help settle the score with the perpetrators of some pretty heinous crimes.  A win-win situation all the way around, if you ask me, but I am somewhat biased regarding this particular subject.  Sorry you couldn't make it, but I understand your feelings and respect them.  Maybe you'll change your mind and join us for the next one, should that ever happen.  Right now the RTC heirarchy is pretty busy trying to contain some alien demon-gods that escaped during a recent Invocation.  (Pretty beastly fuckers, too, I told the fucking acolytes to make sure the rum was strong enough to pacify the loa, but they just wouldn't listen.........)



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So I'm just not comfortable with the image of the two protestors standing outside Riddile's office windows. I don't condone that as a tactic. It is harassing in nature, and serves I am afraid to actually hinder the Utmost Intention. It's just kind of a menacing, harassing thing to do. And while I think that any person has the right to engage in civil protest by their own fashion, I think others are right to consider the further, ultimate, desired goals, and want to disagree with methods and means. This is, after all, our shared concern.

Personally, I am OK with the idea of protesters calling attention to Mel's crimes, I don't think a perpetrator of systematic child abuse should be in a position of authority over children, and I think a little public awareness of Mel's crimes is a good thing.  Also, I wanted to show some support for RG and ISAAC, since they helped a buddy of mine when he was thinking some evil thoughts about himself and was considering checking out early.  It's selfish, but I want him to stick around a bit longer.  Sometimes his skewed insight on the world, and our situation as survivors of institutional child abuse,  has kept me from doing the same thing.

I really don't see where there is any comparison between two people, one of whom is an admitted "kook who wants to legalize drugs" (hint:  it's the one who isn't RG) standing outside a child abuser's place of employment and publicly calling for him to account for his crimes and anything that we were subjected to at Straight.  I really don't.  I'm not offended at the comparison, I just don't see how this makes us into "the thing we are fighting against".  


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That being said, I know RG deals with the painful issue of institutional child abuse all the time. Just like volunteers at a deadly disaster can become emotionally overwhelmed by what they witness so directly, I suspect people deeply involved in this issue can get PTSD from the constant reminder that adults are still hurting children in programs all over, and from the weight of the feeling of personal responsibility to save them by ending these institutions now. This isn't sentimentalities, children really are very, very badly hurt and abused, to this day. I know RG feels that in his heart, and if he might get overblown or go about things in a certain way, I tend to overlook it because I know he is driven by heart intentions. I have respect for the passion driving those so dedicated. Possibly I am not staring in Riddile's office window myself simply because it all became too much. I can't bear it. Whereas, RG and ISAC do bear it continuously.

Yeah, it takes a special breed to be involved with this issue to the degree that many of the activists are.  I damn sure couldn't do it, it reminds me too much of the shit I went through.  Plus, I'm a kook who wants to legalize drugs, and I don't want to discredit those guys by my presence, the whole guilt-by-association thing, so I just do my punk-ass, self-gratifying, guerilla-style tactics of calling Mell a child abuser in front of his school, passing out info packs to his students, disrupting services at Miller Newton's "church", leaving prayer requests for his victims on his door (he claims to be a priest, so what the fuck....), braking for kids who are fleeing abusive rehabs, posting Miller Newton's phone # on the internet,  and taking drugs with other survivors whenever possible, and appropriate.  Maybe for me it's about never letting those assholes forget, reminding them that we didn't just curl up into JAILSINSTITUTIONSANDDEATH when we "made a decision" to reject the brainwashing that they worked so hard to instill in us.  Maybe it is about me gettingjuvenile kicks from calling Virgil in the middle of the night and demanding an apology from him.  I really don't care what the motivation is, if I feel inclined to continue, I will.


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I just want to direct people's attention to the idea that there are many histories of social movements: Gandhi, Martin Luther King, ending apartheid, getting Nestle infant formulas out of Africa, securing the right of disaffected classes of people to vote, and so on. There's going along, and there's not going along anymore, there's lots of ideas about how to go about effecting social change, achieving "closure" and "justice", ending institutions that perpetuate cruelty, and so on. Personally, I think what really gets a whole lot of people to join in sympathy for any particular issue is a message from the heart and for the heart. Let's say there was no AIDS Quilt, and those involved gathered instead to bang on pots and pans. Appropriate to drum the Gestapo out of town? Yes. A good idea for getting the public at large to not only take notice but join in sympathy with the cause? Probably really not, the AIDS Quilt much more properly evokes awe for the scope of loss and the idea of grief and remembrance for victims as individuals. In short, beauty and art are the way to the human heart. And as the prevailing ideologies of institutional child abuse lack at their foundations proper respect and true human goodness, perhaps to counter them we ought to lead by example in a very opposite direction.

The AIDS quilt didn't do nearly as much as the fags from ACT UP outing queer politicians and making a nuisance of themselves in public and in the media.  Marin Luther King got killed by a redneck paid by the Feds, and Jesus got nailed to a couple of 2" x 4"s.  Pick any Messiah you like, don't mind me, but don't ask me to play martyr with the moral high ground as the only reward.  I want some good ol' fashioned righteous retribution, by any means necessary, with my tea.  I wanna see the fuckers who fucked with me ruined, which is why Miller Newton has provided me with so many peals of laughter and hysterical streaks of joy as of late.  Payback's a bitch, and Miller is starting to be called to account for his sins.  Sure, it's just a droip in the bucket compared to what it should be, but it's still a hell of a lot of fun to watch.  It'll be fun dancing on his grave, too.


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Thank you for the beautiful "Survivor's Shrine in Remembrance of former Straight, Inc. clients who are no longer with us due to suicide and other causes."
(http://www.geocities.com/surviving_stra ... /index.htm) You gave our shared grief voice and tangible reality so eloquently.

Your shared stories here and in other places have been a gift, too, and I mean that to include all survivors of all programs.

I raise a toast to continued dialogue, to the mighty conquering strength of the human heart and soul, and to all the brave survivors who, having once been lost, now endure through great storms on their way home again.



Yeah, that was cool.  Mad thanks and love to all you guys that participated in the memorial service, I mean that, you guys and gals did a great service to survivors of Straight and Straightism.  

I raise my bong to continued dialogue, and I thank you for your insight and eloquent comments.

Peace,

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« Reply #63 on: April 05, 2007, 11:30:30 PM »
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Plus, I'm a kook who wants to legalize drugs, and I don't want to discredit those guys by my presence, the whole guilt-by-association thing,


So is Arnold Trebach. So are all the cops, judges, DAs and other members of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. And now, so is Bob Bar. If we could get those kooks to take us seriously, they could use what we've got to take out an entire vital column of the authoritarian structure. (Well, Arnie takes us seriously and LEAP knows we all had a hard time of it, but...)
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« Reply #64 on: April 05, 2007, 11:38:58 PM »
But if drugs were legalized would that detract from the coolness factor of being someone who does them?  :lol:
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« Reply #65 on: April 05, 2007, 11:42:46 PM »
Yup
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« Reply #66 on: April 06, 2007, 09:00:49 AM »
So maybe we shouldn't try to have them legalized after all...?  :P
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« Reply #67 on: April 06, 2007, 04:13:57 PM »
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But if drugs were legalized would that detract from the coolness factor of being someone who does them?  :lol:



Nah, drugs aren't cool because they're illegal, drugs are cool because they get you high.
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« Reply #68 on: April 06, 2007, 05:20:15 PM »
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But if drugs were legalized would that detract from the coolness factor of being someone who does them?  :lol:

Nah, drugs aren't cool because they're illegal, drugs are cool because they get you high.

Thanks for clarifying that.  ::peace::  :tup:
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« Reply #69 on: April 06, 2007, 06:43:58 PM »
guest said " So I'm just not comfortable with the image of the two protestors standing outside Riddile's office windows. I don't condone that as a tactic. It is harassing in nature, and serves I am afraid to actually hinder the Utmost Intention. It's just kind of a menacing, harassing thing to do. And while I think that any person has the right to engage in civil protest by their own fashion, I think others are right to consider the further, ultimate, desired goals, and want to disagree with methods and means. This is, after all, our shared concern.

That being said, I know RG deals with the painful issue of institutional child abuse all the time. Just like volunteers at a deadly disaster can become emotionally overwhelmed by what they witness so directly, I suspect people deeply involved in this issue can get PTSD from the constant reminder that adults are still hurting children in programs all over, and from the weight of the feeling of personal responsibility to save them by ending these institutions now. This isn't sentimentalities, children really are very, very badly hurt and abused, to this day. I know RG feels that in his heart, and if he might get overblown or go about things in a certain way, I tend to overlook it because I know he is driven by heart intentions. I have respect for the passion driving those so dedicated. Possibly I am not staring in Riddile's office window myself simply because it all became too much. I can't bear it. Whereas, RG and ISAC do bear it continuously. "

I aint up on the quote feature, sorry... :rofl:

I am still looking for the email I got from Mel. the drive it was on was trashed before christmas last year due to some major malfunction. As soon as I get that I'll post it so folks can see more into what his "take" is these days. Since doing the activism things, I would imagine his take has not changed and may even be more steadfast in the notion that he was helping kids. At some point, yes, it is stressful thinking about kids still in the program, but if the program is going to continue even after bald face proof is dumped all over the public and the licensing agencies are all "in on it" anyways, then what can people do? A couple people holding signs and calmly discussing issues surrounding these drug warriors past and present seems to go smoothly, at least that's what I've experienced while doing it. One time at khk in Milford, there was a guy in a beat up pickup truck who blasted us with a thick cloud of diesel smoke twice, but other than that, the public seems to enjoy the show so to speak. Besides, it's like pissing in the wind really, and it feels great knowing that the perpetrators of this abuse have to realize that they are not "getting away" free and clear. At least lots of folks will know the truth and hopefully someone with some $$$$$$$$$ will join in and get some education going.
Now, I am sorry if I bother folks with these images and tactics. I don't intend to bother fellow survivors, and after 4 years of trying to get this guy Mel Riddile to lend a hand, it's just not working either the nice way or the meager and quiet protest way. I've only been to the school 2 times, and the 2nd time was because he violated my and my sons' rights. In the back of my mind, I didn't expect him to jump on the bandwagon back in Sept 06. I would have dropped the ideas about protesting anymore since I can't afford to take the time off, etc... but I end up doing it anyways,  :rofl:  but he came out and made a scene. I have to defend my sons and myself. Program stuff aside, I can see that he is going to get his way regardless of what laws there are out there to protect Americans from this sort of thing. I mean, come on, he didn't write the Consititution, but he is being a dictator (by definition) and I can't just sit there and "let" him. I suppose I should just resign myself to the fact that he will never apologize or face any kind of accountability for his roles throughout his career. He's "untouchable".  :(
I hope to be proven wrong about that soon.

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« Reply #70 on: April 06, 2007, 08:04:39 PM »
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One time at khk in Milford, there was a guy in a beat up pickup truck who blasted us with a thick cloud of diesel smoke twice,

Yeah sorry about that, buddy.. I finally got that damn motor fixed.
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« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2007, 05:55:53 PM »
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Yes, I view the Moral inventory as abusive, b/c for one, "the program" took basica AA principals and twisted them into some kind of entangled neuroses crisis on a daily basis. So therefore, having to then write out " private confessions" over and over again against ones will is inherintly abusive. It wasn't so much the above that made me feel it was completely abusive. It was more that the above combined with having to "go over" those M.I.'s with complete strangers, who then were free to criticize them and basically hold a "mini rap" at the foster home, like they were a staff member. Then if the oldcomer didnt act that way towards you, they then ran the risk of being stood up in group and being "confronted" with being "soft" with newcomers....funny how we never saw anyone get stood up for being "hard" with newcomers isn't now?
That says a great deal right there.
anyway, it is all relative, the whole place, idealogy, the rules, the dogma, the M.I.'s the rational therapy shit, the raps, no privacy, ....etc.... it is and was all a part of "the game".

-warm regards,
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This is about the best description of the MI ritual I've ever seen. I don't think Mel or other educators are much inclined to try and bend their minds on how or why this is fucked up. That's because they heartily approve of things they do themselves, such as Bill Oliver's Peer Counseling and the DARE cop's "confidential concerns box." They love the idea of metal detectors at the school house doors and occasional run throughs w/ drug and bomb sniffing dogs just to remind the little fuckers just how close they live each day to the other side of the line. These same people are making our school systems ever more closely resemble their other pet project, the prison systems. Everybody knows it, it's not a secret or anything. Some grumble a little, most just go along with it.
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« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2007, 11:02:14 PM »
Thank you !
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« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2007, 11:10:31 PM »
THank you a.g 4 the support ! THATS H  U  G  E !!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2007, 08:56:29 AM »
Whoah!!

What the FUCK??

Someone just deleted a few posts off of this thread..(they weren't dupes).

WHY????
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