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« on: March 08, 2007, 11:57:58 PM »
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http://www.pinnaclewilderness.org/licenses.html


Ok take a look at this link and follow the redirect... I'm giving away cash money prizes to who ever can figure out what wop in the wood pile is hiding time.



This is worth a thread on its own. Dig deep my peeps and see what I have seen. Its worth it.. and you don't even have to look hard.

Come on.. Don't be lazy...
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 02:24:55 AM »
Color me stupid, but I did not see them listed ANYWHERE using the licensee lookup & verification record for Utah. I searched under Pinnacle and Foundation and wilderness. No license.

There's a couple of suspect listings under Pinnacle Professional Services, which changed to Pinnacle Performance Management, which changed to Pinnacle Management Group. They are all listed as professional employer organizations. It jumped out at me because I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. They are based in Farmington, though, and Pinnacle Foundation is in Richfield.

Oh yeah, the other  thing is that they say they are licensed as an outdoor wilderness program. Well, I looked under the list of professions and organizations and there is no such category on UDOPL.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 05:28:48 AM »
I am beginning to gather that utah desert is the eq in harsh climate of the Australian outback. Because of the obscenely hot dry temperatures it is not uncommon to hear of the occasional british or german backbacker who perishes and dies due to being ill equiped and running out of petrol or water in the middle of nowhere. Given this i can not think of a parent alive who would allow a hiking expidition in this part of the country. This is why it is considered a mountain and dense bush activity.
Perhaps those who bang on about self regulation should consider this as a factor before sending non compliant kids into the hottest driest part of the country in the summer!!!!

But these guys advertise for such highly qualified staff so i guess they are well equiped for any emergency that may come to pass!
http://www.strugglingteens.com/employme ... ation.html :flame:
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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2007, 09:10:20 AM »
kids need to fight back. the only program shut down recently was the group home for pergnant girls. when they took decisive action, the owners decided what they were doing was wrong. these kids should be applauded as heros, who protected other kids from being imprisoned against their will by smug old people who deserved that pan to the noggin. more of this is needed, it is shown to work. remember the riot at the other program a while back? shut down. your govt doesn't want you to konw this, but violence tends to work. quite well in fact.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2007, 09:12:43 AM »
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kids need to fight back. the only program shut down recently was the group home for pergnant girls. when they took decisive action, the owners decided what they were doing was wrong. these kids should be applauded as heros, who protected other kids from being imprisoned against their will by smug old people who deserved that pan to the noggin. more of this is needed, it is shown to work. remember the riot at the other program a while back? shut down. your govt doesn't want you to konw this, but violence tends to work. quite well in fact.

  ::bangin::  ::stab::  :tup:
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2007, 12:00:31 PM »
So, two moms start a program. One a recovering addict whose son attended a wilderness program and the other is good at "multi-tasking". Impressive....

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Pinnacle Foundation is fully licensed as an Outdoor Wilderness Program by the Utah Division of Occupational and Professional Licensing.

Not very bright. UDOPL licenses individual professionals, not programs. They are licensed through DHS as an Outdoor Youth Treatment program.
http://www.hslic.utah.gov/db_results.as ... county=%25

As for licensed staff.....there is one, Bagley, the Marriage/Family Therapist.
It appears that the owner, Debbie Hansen may have been licensed through UDOPL as a THERAPEUTIC RECREATION TECHNICIAN, but if this is her, the license has expired.
https://secure.utah.gov/llv/llv?action= ... _id=204527

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Your youth are placed into a naturally therapeutic environment that is free from outside distractions.

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Pinnacle Wilderness Foundation is a Non-Profit (501)(c)(3) program that has been approved for Educational Loans through Sallie Mae-the nation's leading provider of student loans.

Student Loans are an attractive option for parents considering wilderness therapy for their children. Pinnacle Foundation is one of only a few wilderness programs that qualify for this type of loan. Financing your youth?s education with student loans can allow you to make low monthly payments over a period of time.

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Through a unique partnership with Blueprint Education, Pinnacle Foundation offers elective credits in various subjects to PathWalkers who complete the program. Thus, participants have the opportunity to further their academic goals through our program, whether the goal is to get ahead in school, catch up to the rest of the student?s class, or simply stay on track for graduation.


And how does 2.5 credits, all electives, accomplish that?

http://www.blueprinteducation.org/servi ... ptions.cfm

The four levels of curriculum based around the "Circle of CourageTM" will provide 2 1/2 school credits if completed.
1 Credit: Physical Education [336 clock hours]
0.5 Credit: Applied English  [147 clock hours]
0.5 Credit: Psychology [84 clock hours]
0.5 Credit: Art [84 clock hours]
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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2007, 12:06:14 PM »
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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2007, 12:23:41 PM »
Paging Fred Stetler.. Paging Fred Stettler.. or whatever the hell his name is.

Told you all it wasn't to hard to find.

We should make it a contest to seek out these podunk places and torment them via regulatory controls. Be a good way to pass time.
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2007, 01:25:32 PM »
Ya mean Ken Stettler, licensing?

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(4) Programs shall provide an educational component as determined by the Utah State Board of Education for consumers up to 18 years of age who have been removed from their educational opportunities for more than one month. The administrators of the program shall meet and cooperate with the local Board of Education.

(5) Programs which advertise as providing educational credit to consumers shall be approved by the Utah State Board of Education.

Are they?

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(2) Each program shall have a governing body and an executive director who shall have responsibility and authority over the policies and activities of the program. and shall coordinate office and support services, training, etc,. The executive director [Debbie Hansen] shall have, at a minimum, the following qualifications:
(a) be at least 25 years of age,
(b) have a BA or BS degree or equal training and experience in a related field,
(c) have a minimum of two years of outdoor youth program administrative experience,
(d) have a minimum of 30 semester or 45 quarter hours education in recreational therapy or related experience or one year Outdoor Youth Program field experience,

Does she?
Debbie Hansen, Founder and Executive Director
Debbie has been in recovery for 14 years and is grateful for her experience in AA and Al-Anon. Mother of three, and Grandma to five, they are the joy of her life. She is a person that can accomplish anything she puts her mind to with perseverance. Pinnacle Foundation is her dream and she is excited to share it with the world. Having her own son participate in a wilderness program she knows firsthand how the experience strengthens and empowers your child to make positive changes. It is important to her not to just build a successful business, but a successful program that will help heal families and youth.

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(3) Each program shall have a program or field director [Jeff Daniels] who coordinates field operations, manages the field staff, and operates the field office. The program or field director shall meet, at a minimum, the following qualifications:
(a) be at least 25 years of age,
(b) have a BA or BS degree or equal training and experience in a related field,
(c) have minimum of two years of outdoor youth program field experience,
(d) have a minimum of 30 semester or 45 quarter hours education in recreational therapy or related field, or one year Outdoor Youth Program field experience,
(e) demonstrate complete knowledge and understanding of relevant licensing rules,
(f) have primary responsibility for field activities and visit in the field a minimum of two days a week with no more than five days between visits,
(g) prepare reports of each visit, document conditions of consumers, document interactions of consumers and staff, and ensure compliance with rules,
(h) be annually trained and certified in CPR and currently certified in standard first aid, and
(i) have completed an initial staff training, see R501-8-8.

Does he qualify? No credentials listed in his bio.
Jeff Daniels, Field Director
Pinnacle Foundation has great pride in introducing our Field Director. Jeff?s many talents include: mapping, GPS coordinates & wilderness survival. A trained EMT-Intermediate and Wilderness First Aid Certified, Jeff spends any spare time volunteering for the Sevier County EMS. Hobbies include: Hunting and Fishing. Jeff is an experienced coordinator and will be an invaluable part of our team.

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(5) Each program group shall have senior field staff [Camden Cheney] working directly with the consumer who shall meet, at a minimum, the following qualifications:
(a) be at least 21 years of age,
(b) have an associate degree or high school diploma with 30 semester or 45 quarter hours education and training or comparable experience and training in a related field,
(c) have six months outdoor youth program field experience or comparable experience which shall be documented in the individual's personnel file,
(d) be annually trained and certified in CPR and currently certified in standard first aid,
(e) have completed an initial staff training, see R501-8-8, and

No credentials listed in her bio.
Carmen is the perfect picture of health. Carmen?s hobbies include: yoga, eating healthy, long distance cycling, hiking, and skiing. Her favorite hike was in Hawaii on the island of Oahu, when she was given special permission to climb the Stairway to Heaven. It is 4080 steps straight up. She admits it was extremely strenuous, but worth the climb. Carmen is also EMT-Basic and Wilderness First Aid Certified. Carmen has an infectious love of the outdoors. We are excited to share her with our youth.

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(6) Each program shall have a field staff working directly with the consumers who shall meet, at a minimum, the following qualifications:
(a) be a minimum of 20 years of age,
(b) have a high school diploma or equivalency,
(c) have forty-eight field days of outdoor youth program experience or comparable experience which shall be documented in the individual's personnel file,
(d) exhibit leadership skill,
(e) be annually trained and certified in CPR and currently certified in standard first aid, and
(f) have completed an initial staff training.

Probably safe to assume the others have diplomas or GEDs. As for their experience and abilities, only the program knows.

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(8) Each program shall have a multi-disciplinary team, accessible to consumers which shall include, at a minimum, the following:
(a) a licensed physician or consulting licensed physician,
(b) a treatment professional who may be one of the following:
(i) a licensed psychologist,
(ii) a licensed clinical social worker,
(iii) a licensed professional counselor,
(iv) a licensed marriage and family counselor, or
(v) a licensed school counselor
(c) All clinical and therapeutic personnel shall be licensed or working under a DOPL training program certified by the State of Utah.

Bagsley, the Marriage/Family Therapist. Consulting physician?

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(1) Each youth group shall be supervised by at least two staff members at all times, one of which must be a senior field staff.
(2) In a mixed gender group, there shall be at least one female staff and one male staff.
(3) Expedition group size, including staff members, cannot exceed sixteen people with a minimum of a one to four staff to consumer ratio.

They're licensed for 50 participants, but with one Senior staff, they're limited to 14 participants.

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(1) Due to the difficulty of monitoring outdoor programs and the inherent dangers of the wilderness, a single violation of the foregoing life and safety rules may result in immediate revocation of the license and removal of consumers from programs pursuant to General Provisions as found in R501-1.
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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2007, 02:06:08 PM »
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It appears that the owner, Debbie Hansen may have been licensed through UDOPL as a THERAPEUTIC RECREATION TECHNICIAN, but if this is her, the license has expired.



Deborah,  If you are going to allege that a persons license has expired and post it on the web (along with her photo) for all to see at least give her the benefit of the doubt that her license expired because she moved out of state or moved up in her career allowing her old license to expire after being licensed as a nurse or another profession.  There are many reasons licenses expire.  Spend a few minutes looking around, its only fair to these people and their careers.  You did the same thing several times to ASR staff.  
I am just asking you to be fair and look at all the evidence, not just the piece that fits for you.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2007, 02:36:02 PM »
It appears that the owner, Debbie Hansen https://secure.utah.gov/llv/llv?action= ... _id=204527[/url]

The Ed/Prof credentials of several people are listed. If Debbie had credentials/licenses, don't ya think they'd be listed in her bio, bein's she's the Ex Dir? Give her the benefit of the doubt? Okay, It appears she's operating a program in violation of law.

Unfair would've been to leave the errors I made in ASR staff. I also provided an explanation. Who would've known that Frank's name was actually "Francis"?

If you want to defend this program, how bout you call them up, find out who has credentials, confirm it, and post the confirmation. Otherwise, stop whining and bitching.
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2007, 02:40:53 PM »
I am not defending the program Deborah, but fair is fair.  You lose credability when you do this crap over and over again.  These are peoples lives and careers, be fair with them, do the extra work, is all I ask.


It appears she allowed her licesnce to expire as a THERAPEUTIC RECREATION TECHNICIAN because she was working on something else.


https://secure.utah.gov/llv/llv?action= ... id=3960702
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2007, 03:23:04 PM »
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You lose credability when you do this crap over and over again.


As do you every time you open your mouth. Youre so set on contributing something, playing devil's advocate for an apparent unlicensed facility with untrained and largely unlicensed (or unassociated licensed) staff isn't contributing anything useful.
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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2007, 03:23:48 PM »
Don't readers just hate it when THEWHO posts something that is correct and decent?
Then, there's the all-forgiving posts by TSW, and the deletion on the "Fuck all you losers" topic calling D.J. Deborah and other posters names, along with a pornographic picture?
Now, TSW has staged his own personal "welcoming home party" to fornits.
Yet, THEWHO is the bad guy?
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2007, 03:25:13 PM »
you gotta quote thoses posts before they can be deleted so we can all enjoy them. yeah, this forum is full of assholes and rejects... i think that has been well established before.
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