Split from ASR: Private School or RTC

[Troll Control]

this is why everyone calls you a troll, who.  you've trolled up two very nice threads today trying to bury some very stupid things you've said because you were quaoted and now can't go back and edit your posts like you usually do when you're caught lying.  rather than deal with issues head-on or explain yourself you just troll.  can't you keep it in your own thread?  or just answer the question?  what's your problem?

[RobertBruce]

Cindy is it your habit in your day to day life as well as on here to declare personal victories where none exists?

You claimed to have proven that DJ never spoke with Rep Miller's office.

You did no such thing, you just babbeled on and on about the bill stalling because "not everyone was involved in the discussion."

Something you cannot prove anymore than you can disprove DJ's claim to have spoken with Miller's office.

Try sticking to the facts, the conversation will go much smoother I promise.

[TheWho]

So I guess I have been the only one posting?  The one lesson I keep learning over and over again:

If you catch DJ in a lie,  prove him wrong or disagree with him you are in for a very long day of personal attacks as he throws his fit....I know it is coming but I cant just let the lies sit....sorry everyone had to endure this... and for the wasted space.

Hopefully we will be back on topic soon.

[Troll Control]

what lies?  your exact statement was quoted saying you don't believe in unconditional love and then you were asked a simple question.  what conditions do you place on your child in order to receive your love.  it has nothing to do with anyone but you.  you said it.  it was quoted.  now you want to say that it's a lie?  you said it.  you lied?

[Troll Control]

at least you were quoted accurately.  you have to own the statement.  you did go on and lie about what dj said at least 20 times and he reposted his quote every time proving you were lying.  and now you're lying about it again? why?  can you quote where dj lied to you?  he quoted many times where you lied, but i read the entire exchange and he never said what you're saying he said.  he said the opposite of what you said, then you lied about it.  do you ever tell the truth, who?  do you really think that nobody will go back and see how you're lying about this today?  i did.  and you are definitely lying.

[TheWho]

what lies?  your exact statement was quoted saying you don't believe in unconditional love and then you were asked a simple question.  what conditions do you place on your child in order to receive your love.  it has nothing to do with anyone but you.  you said it.  it was quoted.  now you want to say that it's a lie?  you said it.  you lied?

he clams he called George Millers office about a bill and they told him the bill was dead and it was the republicans fault.

I provided links which proved he never made the call and made it all up.  The bill is in subcommittee and is being rewritten.

Here take another look:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-1738


http://tinyurl.com/3ah7le

So we will have to endure his personal attacks until he gets over it, sorry folks.

[Deborah]

Of course local resources can't help a kid that has nothing wrong with them. Adolescence is not a pathology to be treated.

Ah?full circle...so back to the ?turn a deaf ear and it will go away?.  The ?Do nothing mentality?.  Well there are many families that disagree with you and many more that have healthy kids who are back on track because of these programs.  Maybe you wouldn?t care enough to get your kids help if they were in crisis or maybe you would gamble and close your eyes and hope for the best.
But there are many parents who care very much and need to do all they can for their children and wont trust their child?s future to chance.

What was your daughter "treated" for? As I recall, truancy.

No, it was more than just not going to school.  That was just part of it.  She was struggling in many areas and we worked with local therapists to help her get back on track, to no avail.  If TBS?s did not exist, I am not sure what path we would have taken or options that would have helped.

Yeah, well, there are a couple of ways to spin that too. I think the LSWs and licensed psrinks have all the good intentions in the world when they recomend family counseling. However, if the organization to which the family turns for help is one of these cultish ones, that just means everybody joins the cult or leaves the family. Remember what Maia said about the Bacons?

I was thinking more of a family therapist who could help with conflict resolution, locally.  A trained therapist, mom, dad and child in one room.  My daughter was being treated but the rest of us were not.  I think,  again in hindsight, I would have tried this prior to ASR.

[Troll Control]

would you love her if she took all the blame for your problems?  is that one of the conditions?

[RobertBruce]

he clams he called George Millers office about a bill and they told him the bill was dead and it was the republicans fault.

I provided links which proved he never made the call and made it all up. The bill is in subcommittee and is being rewritten.

 

You have no way of knowing this. The original discussion seemed to be more about why the bill had failed, not where it was now. You claimed it was because "not everyone was involved in the discussion" a point you cannot prove. DJ claimed it was because the republicans never allowed it to come to the floor.

You cannot prove he never spoke to them, why waste your time trying otherwise? In the same sense why bother trying to convince others on here he is a liar when he has far more credibility with parents then youll ever have, and since youve been caught in literally dozens of lies yourself.

So we will have to endure his personal attacks until he gets over it, sorry folks.

Come down off the cross, he's not attacking you. He's trying to get you to back up your own comments, something youre too afraid and cowardly to do.

[TheWho]

No, no one is attacking me.  Let it go and lets move on...this has gone on way to long...its not fair to other people trying to follow the original conversation.

[RobertBruce]

You were the one to muck it up with your incessant trolling to begin with.

I don't understand why you would make a outlandish comment and then refuse to explain yourself or back it up, and then get upset and claim youre being attacked when people ask you about it.

How much sense does this make to you Cindy.

You think about that, in the mean time here is my last post to you before you started rambling on about nothing trying to hide your own nonsense by covering it with more nonsense.

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Hmmm. Not sure I said that. You keep wanting me to say I dismiss abuse when I don?t.  


Sure you do. I don't need you to say it because its already obvious. What I'm looking for from you at this point is either a justification for why you continue to dismiss the claims of abuse or an alternative explination for your statement. If you've got one I'm all ears.

Cindy you cannot continue to make statements stating such things as:

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Do you think this can happen over and over again and not make the headline news? Fox news would love to feature this stuff, any news agency would (even if it were half true). But it is not, we know that because parents would shut these places down in a heart beat if they even used language they hear here on fornits against them!



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Imagine what would happen if a kid got raped or abused on a Therapeutic boarding school or all places!! Talk about a story and headlines!! They have been operating for decades???.


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After 2 decades there is enough "lack of incidences evidence" to indicate that many of these places are safe. Something would have surfaced, after 20 years, if there was a systemic problem.
 


In the above statements you waver between declaring the abuse to a rare occurence or never occuring at all.

The above statements are clear examples of you dismissing peoples claims of abuse, again if you have an alternative explination I'm all ears.

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I think what we need to establish is where kids can be the safest from being abused. I think TBS?s are a safe place, I think some public schools are less safe.  


Again you prove that you have an agenda. You state we need to find the answer to something, only to immediatly turn around and state you that you feel you have the answer. You cannot expect people to be willing to have these conversations with you when you already declare yourself to have such an obvious bias.

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I believe some of the numbers are supporting this assertion.
 


Numbers? What numbers Cindy? We haven't even begun to look at comparing abuse in the public sector versus the PTS. All we've looked at to date has been deaths. Deaths are not quite the same thing as abuse. This only serves as further evidence of your agenda. You're citing numbers that havent even be examined yet.

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You may have a different point of view, Bob, It doesn?t make you intrinsically wrong, we are just looking at it from different angles. I could accuse you of not seeing it my way and dismissing the fact that the public school systems are always in the news with stories of teachers raping students and shootings etc. and you dismiss the fact that TBS?s are never in the news


I've yet to dismiss atrocities committed in public school. If you believe I have please provide a link to it and I'll either explain myself or apologize. Until you do so I'm going to go ahead and stand by my comment that I have never done any such thing. Therefore you cannot accuse me (at least justifiable as I can accuse you) of dismissing anything.

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Too much time, should have been done in 3 years tops. Look at how quickly it took to get regulation on the food industry.  


Why then arent you working along side us to get these places regulated?

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Based on some preliminary numbers we are seeing.


What numbers? Where are they and when can we see them, and who once again is this mysterious "we" you keep referring to?

[TheWho]

Okay,  lets look at the post that has DJ and Bob, so upset.  This was a post I made in response to Psy as he mentioned

Psy wrote:

?There are certain things that can completely sever the ties of love between parent and child. There is no such thing as "unconditional". Fool yourself all you wish, but if I were you, I would at least ask those questions you are afraid to, and beg for the forgiveness that you do not deserve.

I responded:

That is pretty intense and it is a good point,psy. Parents should keep a thumb on the pulse of their child and listen to how they are doing. If they sound distressed when they call you should ask to have another conference with them to insure that they are okay. I remember on a particular occasion, after my daughter ran away , that she sounded distressed and we scheduled another call back about an hour later and we talked it thru and spoke for about 45 minutes. She was struggling with a balance between her school work and what they expected to do during her off time which didn?t allow for her studies. She wasn?t use to working that hard. My daughter doesn?t thank me for sending her there but she understands that it was good for her (she wouldn?t want to do it over again, though).
I am not a big believer in ?unconditional love?. I think the bond between a parent and child is built upon a foundation started from infancy and is solidified over time from years of trust and formed from the natural dependency, nurturing and love that occurs and that the home is a safe place to grow, spread your wings, make mistakes, fall and start over. The home should never be a place to be embarrassed or feel ashamed it should be a place to practice life without being judged. If this process is interrupted or threatened the parent is the one who needs to step in and right its course.

If I asked my daughter tomorrow where she would rather be if there was trouble in her life I know she would chose home, because that is where her family is and that is where she feels safe. This is the place she comes to when she needs to sort out answers or scream at someone or ask for advice or feel safe.
Unconditional love, no it isn?t?but we continue to work on it every day and the working at it is what love is and it keeps us together.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... 21f#249509

I think many of you know me as one who doesn?t believe in absolutes. I don?t believe all TBS?s are bad and I don?t believe they are all good either.   I don?t believe anything is unconditional (sorry, just my nature).  I think any bond can be broken if it is not cared for, is neglected, abused enough it will fail.  I don?t think anyone will love you (unconditionally) ?no matter what? under all circumstances.

Sorry if my beliefs offend others

Hope this calms people down and we can continue, this was dragged into a few threads, so I will post it twice.

[RobertBruce]

Dragged by you. If you want to move on please do so. Youve shown youre too ashamed of your own position to own it or back it up. It's fine we all understand it, now move on.

[Troll Control]

TheWho said:
I provided links which proved he never made the call and made it all up.

Link to what?  His phone bill?

What you think is "proof" in your twisted little head is nothing, but when you're given real hard evidence, like kids DYING, you dismiss it as "not enough evidence."

What are you, like 5 years old?  What a moron.

[Anonymous]

What are you, like 5 years old?  What a moron.

No insulting the kids.