The pitfalls of being chronologically buffered.

[Oz girl]

Except for the fact that many women prefer assholes over nice guys.

This is a common myth. in actual fact 16 year old girls like assholes because it pisses off their over protective fathers and the melodrama is exciting. Actual grown women prefer guys who are confident and charming. Wit goes a long way

[Nihilanthic]

Except for the fact that many women prefer assholes over nice guys.

This is a common myth. in actual fact 16 year old girls like assholes because it pisses off their over protective fathers and the melodrama is exciting. Actual grown women prefer guys who are confident and charming. Wit goes a long way

No, most grown women try to convince themselves they do... so they end up with a friend-bitch while they fuck someone exciting but shitty at every other part of a relationship.

Basically, they graduate to ala-carte relationships.

Now, naturally a few people grow out of that, but those are hard to find.

[try another castle]

Have to agree with niles on that one. I've known several women, all older than myself, who were with real pricks. Doesn't mean they won't wise up.


Has anyone seen any of the victoria's secret commercials? One of them has someone asking the waif-like, twentysomething models what they look for in the perfect man, and the bimbos say "Oh, he has to be funny, and smart, and confident, and sensitive." And I'm saying to myself "You bitches are so full of shit. You want a six pack and at least 8 inches."

[Oz girl]

but the guy has to be likeable enough for us to get to the part where we see the six pack etc.
On the whole nice guy thing. there is noooo greater turnoff than a guy who will spend a whole evening whining about how girls only like bastards. This is kind of boorish because it does not show him to be especially nice just whiny. Besides it makes no sense. it is like saying women like pap smears or women like bee stings!!!!!

[Nihilanthic]

Women fuck who arouses them. Be honest already!

Its no different with us guys.

[Oz girl]

yes but it is what creates the arousal. its the whole package. If the guy is vharming and confident but secure enough that he likes women and gurninely wants to be with them this is HOT. Nobody wants to sleep with someone who makes them feel like crap.

Model yourself after George Clooney. His appeal is not only about his beautiful looks

[Nihilanthic]

Nobody wants to sleep with someone who makes them feel like crap.

LOL.

[Ganja]

The best way to get a conversation with a woman, is to first piss her off, big time, then convince her she was wrong to be mad at you.

Then when shes on the defensive ask for her number :em:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Ganja]

Model yourself after George Clooney. His appeal is not only about his beautiful looks

I seem to have modelled myself after Tom Waits.

[Oz girl]

well he is kinda cool too.

here is an article you may wanna read. Apparently the Gentleman is back
http://men.style.com/details/features/l ... ntent_5395

[Carmel]

My opinion is this...its all about chemistry.  A mans emotional maturity or physical appearance usually ends up being secondary, unless a woman is actually defying her own chemical reactions to a particular man in order to satisfy some other perceived desireable trait like money or power or influence etc, which usually ends up being a disaster anyway.

Ive never been attracted to beefcake or model-like men...in fact, they make me feel uncomfortable in a way.  I have very particular features that say to me intuitively, "this one has good DNA".  Even the smell of a man has to be right for me, all of his smells...his hair, his skin, his breath......not necessarily pleasing by popular standards, but pleasing to me.  I have a thing for good teeth and well shaped feet....these two have to be the first order of business or a six-pack and a Calvin Klein contract might as well take a dump out the window.  

Ive never been able to be with a man because of his status or socially percieved attractiveness, ie- I would not be able to date or sleep with Tom Cruise because he is Tom Cruise....in fact Tom makes the top of my list of people that I think "Look like they smell funny".  When it comes to men I am visually attracted to, say celebrities for instance...I tend more towards people like Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler or Adrian Brody.  They are all relatively unattractive men to the public hordes, but to me...the difference in their appearance speaks of strong breeding..breaking the mold so to speak.  They would still be subject to the feet and tooth tests, but you get my drift. Ive even tried being with men who were visually stunning only, and found myself kinda grossed out.

That all being said, I think a woman will be with any man who fits her chemical criteria....and unfortunately, some of those happen to be complete jackasses.

[Oz girl]

id forgotten about Adrian Brody. He is pretty sexy. prolly because of that charisma. If tom cruise were the last man on earth i would so be gay. You cant go for a guy with no dignity.

Niles try a social experiment. The next time you and a lady head out to trip the light fantastic, or just have a beer spend the evening talking/whinging about how we all like bastards. i would bet my house that there will not be a booty call at the end. or ever. Because it is about as sexy as rush limbaugh in a thong bikini!

I agree with carmel sometimes it is indefinable.But sophistication and charm go far. Failing that being an all round stand up guy is always a fall back. Women often go for far more than the eq of tits till wednesday and no sense of decorum.

[Anonymous]

Thank you, Carmel!

I actually find that men are much more one-dimensional when it comes to relationships. If she's attractive, she's in like Flynn. Women are more attracted to nuances. It's chemistry. And humor.  I have found myself insanely attracted to not so hot men (no, money wasn't it either) and not remotely attracted to the hottest.  In fact, one guy, who was hot, rich, and nice wanted to marry me. I just couldn't get it up for him. My friends thought I was nuts! But you can't fake it. Well, I can't.

So, it's not necessarily looks or money, honey.

I will say that I agree with Atomic's assertion that women will appreciate you more in a few years.   One of my best guys friends--who is the best guy I know--was not appreciated until his late mid twenties. (I was eight years older and his sister's best friend, so it was a "no fly zone" to his chagrin.  Not the age--he was always more mature than most.)  Now women are all over him, and he found someone equally deserving.  (Thank God! I put her through a hell of an interrogation!)

Those MILFs you mentioned? I can tell you from my own perspective, of having a really hot and nice younger guy attracted to me that it is great for the ego, but women usually value maturity.  it's hard to conjure up attraction to someone who is really unseasoned, even if you think he's great. (Having a job, understanding ups and downs of life, experiencing loss etc.)

The MILF who was insecure? It might be because a young man might not appeciate her body so much as you would the more "perfect" college figure.  Maybe that played a role. I don't know.  I do know that I have a greater appreciation for my body at 36 (it's still damn good!) then I did when I was a size 4 at 22.

incidentally, when you do recover from your drought? Remember this: If you ever want truly mindblowing sex, with whatever woman at any age or size, all you have to do is treat her like she is the hottest thing since Betty Page, and you will be amazed at its disinhibiting effect.  If we know that you appreciate, adore, salivate over, hunger for, and generally feel that the very touch/taste/and feel of our skin is the heighth of your pleasure, we are pretty much putty in your hands. If we see that in your face, we won't pull that lame, bullshit too inhibited and insecure with our bodies crap that we sometimes do that does nothing but ruin a unrestrained, good time for all.

Hope that helps! In any event, good times are ahead, Red!

[Nihilanthic]

The MILF who was insecure? It might be because a young man might not appeciate her body so much as you would the more "perfect" college figure. Maybe that played a role. I don't know. I do know that I have a greater appreciation for my body at 36 (it's still damn good!) then I did when I was a size 4 at 22.

I liked her body more than she did... lol.

Skinny waifs can be cute too but sometimes you actually want an ass to grab or slam into, yanno?  :roll:

But yeah, I appreciated HER a hell of a lot more than the average twit running around who rattle when you shake their head, but that can't change what someone thinks of their self.

Anyway, I find my real problem is its hard to find someone who does actually have some life experience or a brain in my age group... it kinda shows when people I get along with better usually end up being the kind that has gone through shit like I has.

Thanks for pointing that out... it should help me know who to go for a little better

 

BTW are you near Jacksonville?  :lol:

[try another castle]

I tend more towards people like Iggy Pop, Steven Tyler or Adrian Brody.

My friend coins that term as "ugly hot".    

I think Steven Tyler is pretty foxy myself. He also strikes me as the type of guy who would be open to swinging both ways, but maybe that's wishful thinking on my part.

I know what you mean about "traditional good looks". For men, I do love the muscle boys, but they are quite often as dumb as a box of rocks. Only good for trade, if I can land one, which is rarely, because they only tend to like people who look like themselves.

For women, I cannot stand the type of sorority girls you see on "girls gone wild" and such. If a woman pronounces "what" like "whaeeeh?", she's immediately out in my book. I don't like super skinny chicks either. As my friend stated, it's like sleeping next to a bag of antlers. I want some junk in that trunk. Girls in porn do nothing for me as well.

I kind of have a celebrity crush right now, for what it's worth, and I never thought twice about her until she hit 45 and saw her in a documentary film. I read comments in forums such as "oh man, she's fat and old now" or "she doesn't look as good as she used to, but she's still hot." and it just confuses the hell out of me, because I think she looks hotter than she ever has. It's purely superficial, since I have no idea what she's like as a person, obviously. Interviews and documentary films don't show reality. That's all edited. She's not "ugly hot", though, she's "hot hot". Positively stunning woman. Looks better and better every year. Too bad I'll never meet her.