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Offline Nihilanthic

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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2007, 12:24:01 AM »
Keep wasting our time instead of even bothering to defend your actions?
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2007, 12:28:16 AM »
Hopefully you'll make it off Negative Island someday! You guys constantly yap yap yap. God, the same shit, day in day out. You are so boring, I am falling asleep. Nite boys and girls.
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2007, 12:29:05 AM »
So now nonsense to try to dodge the issue? Wow.

Goodnight, just don't let your conscience trip on that big #800 gorilla!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

Offline Anne Bonney

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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2007, 12:39:15 AM »
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Hopefully you'll make it off Negative Island someday! You guys constantly yap yap yap. God, the same shit, day in day out. You are so boring, I am falling asleep. Nite boys and girls.


Negative Island??  Is that like Stinkin' Thinkin'?  Christ girl, put down the Kool-Aid. :roll:
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2007, 12:50:32 AM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""CCM girl 1989""
Hopefully you'll make it off Negative Island someday! You guys constantly yap yap yap. God, the same shit, day in day out. You are so boring, I am falling asleep. Nite boys and girls.

Negative Island??  Is that like Stinkin' Thinkin'?  Christ girl, put down the Kool-Aid. :roll:

"Settin' in yer crap..." ::bwahaha:: ::puke::  :roll:
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« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2007, 12:52:30 AM »
Spongin off the group.

Ughh! ::puke::
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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2007, 08:44:45 AM »
Patient types? I'll have to pass... :lol:
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2007, 03:26:29 PM »
She has a doggie to go play with, let her be.
She may have to go help Kevin-boy police his little website, so he can try and make money selling kids into shit-hole treatment facilities.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2007, 09:58:59 PM »
Kevin "fired SCD from his moderator position?"  SCD appears to be an articulate, bright informed person.
Guess one can't disagree with whiny, little money-grubber referral Kev and get to stay on the ANTI-WWASP site, now can they.
HEY KEV:  you sound just like Lon Woodbury!
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2007, 10:07:19 PM »
Kevin:

Read my post on why power corrupts
It could be more eloquent but i'm pretty tired.

Point is.  You start a referral service you will inevitably become what you sought to fight.  In this situation.. You can't fight fire with fire.  You will spontaneously combust.
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Benchmark Young Adult School - bad place [archive.org link]
Sue Scheff Truth - Blog on Sue Scheff
"Our services are free; we do not make a profit. Parents of troubled teens ourselves, PURE strives to create a safe haven of truth and reality." - Sue Scheff - August 13th, 2007 (fukkin surreal)

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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2007, 10:42:48 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Magnolia Christian Center's Respect and Discipline Camp offered for 30 to 60 day interventions:

http://http://magnoliachristiancenter.net/Respect.htm

Kevin.. how can you possibly suggest this place to anyone?


 :o  :o  :o Holy shit!


Tell us again CCMgirl how different you guys are. :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2007, 10:51:51 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Magnolia Christian Center's Respect and Discipline Camp offered for 30 to 60 day interventions:

http://http://magnoliachristiancenter.net/Respect.htm

Kevin.. how can you possibly suggest this place to anyone?

 :o  :o  :o Holy shit!


Tell us again CCMgirl how different you guys are. :roll:  :roll:


Yeah, so???? It's designed to get a teens immediate attention. 30-60 days of having to be there???? BFD!!!!!! You guys always find fault with something when it comes to treatment. Sometimes teens do need a wake up call! Hello????? What is your objection A.B.?
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« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2007, 10:57:59 PM »
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Yeah, so???? It's designed to get a teens immediate attention. 30-60 days of having to be there???? BFD!!!!!! You guys always find fault with something when it comes to treatment. Sometimes teens do need a wake up call! Hello????? What is your objection A.B.?


This......[/color]

http://www1.nmha.org/children/justjuv/bootcamp.cfm


 Juvenile Boot Camps

What are juvenile boot camps?

Juvenile boot camps are correctional programs for delinquent youth in a military-style environment. These programs typically emphasize discipline and physical conditioning and were developed as a rigorous alternative to longer terms of confinement in juvenile correctional facilities. Many, but not all, of these programs are followed by a period of probation or some form of aftercare. Boot camps are generally restricted to non-violent or first-time offenders.

Are boot camps effective?

    * Boot camps do not reduce recidivism. Numerous studies of adult and juvenile boot camps have shown that graduates do no better in terms of recidivism than offenders who were incarcerated or, in some cases, than those sentenced to regular probation supervision. In fact, some researchers have found that boot camp graduates are more likely to be re-arrested or are re-arrested more quickly than other offenders.

    * Boot camps may not be cost effective. Although some boot camps enable jurisdictions to save money because youth serve shorter sentences, others have found that the extra costs of operating boot camps outweigh the benefits. For example, boot camps tend to be more labor intensive and more expensive to operate. If youth are sentenced to a boot camp when they could have been placed in probation or a community-based program, jurisdictions are actually losing money.

    * Experts agree that a confrontational approach is not appropriate. Most correctional and military experts agree that a confrontational model, employing tactics of intimidation and humiliation, is counterproductive for most youth in the juvenile justice system. The use of this kind of model has led to disturbing incidents of abuse. For youth of color (who represent the vast majority of the juveniles sentenced to boot camps)-as well as for youth with emotional, behavioral, or learning problems-degrading tactics may be particularly inappropriate and potentially damaging. The bullying style and aggressive interactions that characterize the boot camp environment fail to model the pro-social behavior and development of empathy that these youth really need to learn.

    * Positive changes demonstrated while in the program may not last when a youth returns to his community. Many adult and juvenile offenders sentenced to boot camps report that the program is helpful to them and they feel more positive about their futures. It is unclear, however, whether these attitudinal changes persist after youth leave the boot camp, or whether they are related to actual changes in behavior once a youth returns to his community. Without significant therapeutic intervention while in the program, as well as specialized aftercare following release, boot camp programs have been consistently unsuccessful in "rehabilitating" juvenile or adult offenders.

    * Boot camps are not a "quick fix." Most boot camps have high drop-out rates (as many as half fail to graduate in some programs), and staff in at least one juvenile program have expressed concern that too many youth lack the maturity and self-control to succeed in a military-style program. After leaving boot camp, youth are not prepared for productive lives in their communities. The Office of Justice Programs of the U.S. Department of Justice has suggested that, for boot camps to be effective, they must incorporate a full range of rehabilitative services and programs, including education, substance abuse treatment, individualized case management, and mental health care. Clearly, the idea of "shock incarceration" as a tough, low-cost alternative to more intensive juvenile justice programming has not been borne out by our 15 years of experience with boot camps across the country.

What is the alternative?

Youth who are involved with the juvenile justice system require an individualized approach that takes their strengths and needs into account. Programs and policies should be family-centered, including the family in all decision making about a child, as well as culturally and developmentally appropriate. Research has shown that small, community-based programs are more effective and less costly than correctional institutions, for the majority of children who come into contact with the juvenile justice system. Rather than removing children from their families and communities, which only increases their difficulties and sense of marginalization, most youth can be managed in their communities while they receive a full range of rehabilitative services, including mental health and substance abuse treatment.

Borque, B., Han, M., & Hill, S. (1996). A National Survey of Aftercare Provisions for Boot Camp Graduates. Washington, DC: National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.

Bottcher, J., & Isorena, T. (1995). First-year evaluation of the California Youth Authority Boot Camp. In D. MacKenzie & E. Herbert (Eds.), Correctional Boot Camps: A Tough Intermediate Sanction. Washington, DC: National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.

MacKenzie, D., & Souryal, C. (1994). Multi-site Evaluation of Shock Incarceration. Washington, DC: National Institute of Justice, U.S. Department of Justice.

Peters, M., Thomas, D., & Zamberlan, C. (1997). Boot Camps for Juvenile Offenders Program Summary. Washington, DC: Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, U.S. Department of Justice.
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« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2007, 11:03:29 PM »
It's a wake-up call!!! You don't get it do you? What do expect? Goose down comforters, and warm fuzzy slippers?!!! I know what you'll say............but they could die?!!!!! Well, hellooooooo.....they could die from drug overdose, get murdered, have a fatal drunk driving accident,  commit suicide, etc. etc. so let me ask you...........what the fuck is the difference?
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« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
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My objection is forced incarceration. My objection to this is its already proven that the boot camp formula is a miserable failure.

Moving on..


You're objection is forced incarceration???? Boo-hoo!!!! :cry2: Just shut the hell up! 30-60 days big deal!
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