Increasing Fornits' Ranking in Google

[Anonymous]

Hyde has "flooded the market." Dozens of Hyde web sites --- all launched by Hyde --- dominate the opening pages of Google. No matter how visited Fornits is, Hyde need only continue creating new web sites to push Fornits into obscurity. A new anti-Hyde web site is not a practical solution.      

Does a counterstrategy exist? Is there any way for Fornits to rise in the rankings, say by affiliating itself with another server or web site? It would be nice to see Fornits given the prominence it deserves.

[Anonymous]

I googled "Hyde School" and got a lot; some of these sites were reviews (newspapers, boarding schools, etc.).  There is also a site called urban dictionary that actually had 3 negative entries re. Hyde.  These could use some company?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... yde+School

[Anonymous]

That is the only way Google works. If you spell out the entire name of the person of whom you are referring on fornits, it can be picked up by a Google search. If you search Joe Gauld it is on the first page under a fornits post. To increase visability if everyone referred to their subjects with the entire name, ie Henery Milton, instead of hank, Henry, or sasy spell out "Hyde School" instead of just nut-job cult ect...the post will be found by google when someone by chance searches for the name...

[Anonymous]

sorry for the typos...spell out the names people will search possibly for and the posts will be more likey found by google

[gary eskow]

I plan on writing an article about Hyde. Anyone who would like to be interviewed, with a pseudonym if necessary, can e-mail me.
The account of my experience at Hyde, THE JEKYLL SIDE OF HYDE, is also available through the ISAC site.

Gary Eskow
www.garyeskow.com

PS- looking for families who had positive experiences at Hyde as well as those who encountered problems.

[Anonymous]

YOUKNOW ive thought about the same thing..

a relly halpful thing would be to change the name of this forum to something like
"troubled teen "school" abuse survivors forum"

this way every parent who types in troubled teen teen and school
would be directed here first.
also, jourbalists, legistators, survivors etc.
Unfortunetly otherwise, fornits will  remain obscure. It doesnt really announce itself, and unless you are a survior who knows what to look for and dedicates themselves to finding mentions of the school and abuse THEY PERSONALLY  were abused in, its going to remain obscure.
If you just have a general uninformed sense of this industry or are a survivor who thinks their experience is an isolated event- pehaps something they imagined- its hard to find named as it is
what do you think?

[Anonymous]

Here's a little experiment for you.


I am a regular on the Hyde Schools forum. Fornits used to appear prominently on the first page when I Googled "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" (former headmasters of Hyde School). Recently, however, Fornits has stopped appearing altogether in their Google ratings. It is as if Joe Gauld and Ed Legg discovered a way to prevent those embarrassing Fornits links from appearing on Google. Only when I do an advanced Google search does Fornits appear on the first page of "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" as before. Try it yourself.


Is this just my computer or is it a global problem? It seems there is a way to censure and suppress Fornits on Google, thereby rendering it completely ineffective in terms of bringing Hyde to the public's awareness.

[Anonymous]

Here's a little experiment for you.


I am a regular on the Hyde Schools forum. Fornits used to appear prominently on the first page when I Googled "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" (former headmasters of Hyde School). Recently, however, Fornits has stopped appearing altogether in their Google ratings. It is as if Joe Gauld and Ed Legg discovered a way to prevent those embarrassing Fornits links from appearing on Google. Only when I do an advanced Google search does Fornits appear on the first page of "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" as before. Try it yourself.


Is this just my computer or is it a global problem? It seems there is a way to censure and suppress Fornits on Google, thereby rendering it completely ineffective in terms of bringing Hyde to the public's awareness.

  Google has a proprietary page rank algorithm, that they are constantly tweaking.  They change it to keep a step ahead of the web site folks that are gaming their sites to gain page rank.

  There are acres of Russian CS majors that black box google on a full time basis.  They ask deep questions like this:

http://www.ayanev.com/who-has-killed-th ... girls-649/

I would guess that Hyde's web lackeys are savvy enough to game google.  

Lime Ratenight

[Anonymous]

Here's a little experiment for you.


I am a regular on the Hyde Schools forum. Fornits used to appear prominently on the first page when I Googled "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" (former headmasters of Hyde School). Recently, however, Fornits has stopped appearing altogether in their Google ratings. It is as if Joe Gauld and Ed Legg discovered a way to prevent those embarrassing Fornits links from appearing on Google. Only when I do an advanced Google search does Fornits appear on the first page of "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" as before. Try it yourself.


Is this just my computer or is it a global problem? It seems there is a way to censure and suppress Fornits on Google, thereby rendering it completely ineffective in terms of bringing Hyde to the public's awareness.

  Google has a proprietary page rank algorithm, that they are constantly tweaking.  They change it to keep a step ahead of the web site folks that are gaming their sites to gain page rank.

  There are acres of Russian CS majors that black box google on a full time basis.  They ask deep questions like this:

http://www.ayanev.com/who-has-killed-th ... girls-649/

I would guess that Hyde's web lackeys are savvy enough to game google.  

Lime Ratenight

What does it mean "to tweak a proprietary page rank algorithm," "to game a site," "to black box Google," and "to kill a Spice Girl"? I bow to your superior wisdom.

[Anonymous]

Here's a little experiment for you.


I am a regular on the Hyde Schools forum. Fornits used to appear prominently on the first page when I Googled "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" (former headmasters of Hyde School). Recently, however, Fornits has stopped appearing altogether in their Google ratings. It is as if Joe Gauld and Ed Legg discovered a way to prevent those embarrassing Fornits links from appearing on Google. Only when I do an advanced Google search does Fornits appear on the first page of "Joe Gauld" and "Ed Legg" as before. Try it yourself.


Is this just my computer or is it a global problem? It seems there is a way to censure and suppress Fornits on Google, thereby rendering it completely ineffective in terms of bringing Hyde to the public's awareness.

  Google has a proprietary page rank algorithm, that they are constantly tweaking.  They change it to keep a step ahead of the web site folks that are gaming their sites to gain page rank.

  There are acres of Russian CS majors that black box google on a full time basis.  They ask deep questions like this:

http://www.ayanev.com/who-has-killed-th ... girls-649/

I would guess that Hyde's web lackeys are savvy enough to game google.  

Lime Ratenight

What does it mean "to tweak a proprietary page rank algorithm," "to game a site," "to black box Google," and "to kill a Spice Girl"? I bow to your superior wisdom.

 Google page rank is determained by factors like how many other pages like to your page.  So when people figured that out they deployed thousand of web pages that link to their page.  Google figured that game out. They changed the algorithm to judge the quality of the links.  The webmasters figure out how they calculate and game again.  Google changes how they calculate , webmasters guess ....... ad infinitum.  

Black boxing is treating something as entity as an unknown  and figuring you what it does by applying stimulus and observing reactions.

  Two guy are running away from a Grizzly bear.  First guy says " I don't think we can run faster then that bear"  Second guy says " I don't have to.  I just have to run faster then you."  Hyde does not have to be as smart as google.  They just need to be smarter then you.

The spice girls thing is just an example of the minutia that the guys that black box google get into "why does google sub 'kill' for 'fuck'? When will it do it?"  One would assume they are trying to get rank for porn sites.

[Anonymous]

Google page rank is determained by factors like how many other pages like to your page.  So when people figured that out they deployed thousand of web pages that link to their page.  Google figured that game out. They changed the algorithm to judge the quality of the links.  The webmasters figure out how they calculate and game again.  Google changes how they calculate , webmasters guess ....... ad infinitum.

Interesting stuff, really. Sounds like the nexus between game theory and theoretical computer science, especially complexity theory.

Two guys are running away from a Grizzly bear.  First guy says "I don't think we can run faster than that bear."  Second guy says "I don't have to. I just have to run faster than you."

Believe it or not, you have just improved my understanding of Inferno XIII.  Many thanks.

[Anonymous]

Two guys are running away from a grizzly bear.  First guy says, "I don't think we can run faster than that bear."  Second guy says, "I don't have to. I just have to run faster than you." Hyde does not have to be as smart as Google. They just need to be smarter than you.

I take it that the two runners in your polite analogy are the Hyde webmaster and the Fornits webmaster. How does the Hyde webmaster suppress Fornits on a simple search (but not on an advanced search)? Any tips for the Fornits webmaster?

[Ursus]

I take it that the two runners in your polite analogy are the Hyde webmaster and the Fornits webmaster. How does the Hyde webmaster suppress Fornits on a simple search (but not on an advanced search)? Any tips for the Fornits webmaster?

Is this a battle between webmasters?  Could one even "suppress" certain searches for other than "inappropriate material" reasons?  Interesting that Google deems "kill" less offensive than "fuck."

[Anonymous]

I take it that the two runners in your polite analogy are the Hyde webmaster and the Fornits webmaster. How does the Hyde webmaster suppress Fornits on a simple search (but not on an advanced search)? Any tips for the Fornits webmaster?

Is this a battle between webmasters?  Could one even "suppress" certain searches for other than "inappropriate material" reasons?  Interesting that Google deems "kill" less offensive than "fuck."

Google "Ed Legg" on a simple search. Fornits does not appear. Now Goggle "Ed Legg" on an advanced search. Fornits appears on the first page. Let me know if your results differ from mine.

This is indeed a battle of the webmasters game. The question is whether Fornits' webmaster can adopt a more successful strategy than that of Legg's webmaster.

The stakes are Fornits' visibility on Google.  (Legg's reputation is a secondary issue.)

[Ursus]

I google "Larry Dubinsky sexual assault" (no quotation marks needed) and the IsacCorp site comes up as the #1 pick.  Fornits not 'till page 3.

I google "Ed Legg" (no quotation marks) and Fornits does not show up within the first ten pages.  I google "Ed Legg" (with quotation marks) and Fornits shows up on page 3.  Used to be page 1 when you used quotes.  The algorithm has indeed changed.  Maybe it also depends on what country you are googling from.