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« on: January 30, 2007, 05:45:40 PM »
High school to expand alcohol testing.  Yep, that's right kiddies.  Random urine screens Monday morning.  Better behave over the weekend!!! :o






By DAVID PORTER, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago

PEQUANNOCK, N.J. - Some teenagers who drink over the weekend could be in big trouble come Monday morning: A New Jersey school district plans to institute random urine tests capable of detecting whether alcohol was consumed up to 80 hours earlier.

Pequannock Township High, with about 800 students, said it will begin administering the tests next Monday.

"This is a major issue for America," School Superintendent Larrie Reynolds said Tuesday. "There are more kids that die each year in alcohol-related traffic deaths than there are soldiers who have died in
Iraq. The numbers are staggering."

At least one other New Jersey high school, in Middletown, employs the EtG test, which screens for ethyl glucuronide, a substance produced by the body when it metabolizes alcohol.

Pequannock teenagers who participate in sports or other extracurricular activities, or drive to school, are already tested for illegal drugs, under a 2005 program prompted by the heroin overdose of a student.

Students who test positive for alcohol will not be kicked off teams or barred from extracurricular activities. Instead they will receive counseling and their parents will be notified, Reynolds said.

"That's going to give our kids riding in the back seat of someone's car a very powerful reason to say no," he said.

Drug tests, similarly, can detect drug use that occurred days earlier.

The new test worries civil-liberties advocates and others who oppose school drug testing as an invasion of privacy.

"Medical care and treatment are issues between parents and children," said Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the
American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.

They also say that common household products such as mouthwash can produce a positive test result. Reynolds said that the test has been recalibrated so that for students to test positive, they would generally have to consume one or two drinks.

The EtG test costs about $20, Reynolds said. The school's overall testing program is funded by a three-year, $120,000 federal grant.

"No one's really taking it seriously. If you want to go to a party, you're still going to go to a party," senior Matt Huber said.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 06:02:20 PM »
EEEp isn't that already the thing to do over there? We don't have urine testing, but drug testing in schools is commonplace here

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 09:31:13 PM »
I foresee a lot of parties Thursday night or sick days on Monday. Or both.

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 11:36:34 PM »
Yeah, I call for a school wide boycott of Mondays.

Damn, home schooling just looks better and better.


I fucking hate micromanagement.
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2007, 06:29:28 AM »
Wont parents kick up about this? What about the households where it is commonplace for older kids to have a wine with dinner a few times a week or a beer in warmer weather. How will the tests apply there?
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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2007, 08:57:30 AM »
This is utterly
totally nuts.

What makes these neofascists think they have the right to tell us we can't allow our children a glass of wine with dinner?
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2007, 09:02:05 AM »
Or the right to "Screen" our kids for so-called mental illness?

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19188
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Mental Health Screening: New Liberal Tool for Child-Control
by Phyllis Schlafly
Jan 30, 2007

Mental health screening of all children is the goal of legislation introduced into many state legislatures this year. Typical of these highly controversial bills is the Missouri bill that would require every Missouri school district, in collaboration with "the office of comprehensive child mental health," to develop "a policy of incorporating social and emotional development into the district's educational program."

The Missouri bill requires schools to "address teaching and assessing social and emotional skills and protocols for responding to children with social, emotional or mental health problems." The bill also requires the Missouri state board of education to set "social and emotional development standards."

One marvels at the arrogance of government officials who think they can
set children's social and emotional standards. Where on the chart would
they place a child crying because he fell and skinned his knee?

Cortland County, New York, has already announced a plan to annually
screen every fifth-grader and ninth-grader for mental health problems.
The purpose, according to the county director of youth services, is "to raise awareness that mental health issues are in essence no different than other physical issues, such as heart disease." Apparently, you are not "aware" if you think otherwise.

The screening process, which takes 15 minutes, involves getting the kids
to answer a series of yes-or-no questions, on either computer or paper.
It is claimed that parental permission will be necessary, but all children of any age in foster care will automatically be screened.

Mental health screening is based on the assumption that ten percent of
children suffer from a mental disorder severe enough to cause impairment, and that five percent of children have emotional or behavior
difficulties that interfere with learning, friendships and family life.

Cortland County plans to refer the ten percent to the county mental
health clinic or other providers for further evaluation, and it is well known that referrals often result in orders for drug therapy. The clinic will be rewarded with $50 of taxpayers' money for every child sent to the clinic.

Parents are starting to wake up to this invasion of their authority over
the care and upbringing of their own children. A bill that would prohibit school personnel from making mental health recommendations or
requirements for children, including the use of psychotropic medications, just passed out of a committee of the Utah legislature.

This bill would also prohibit schools from requiring a student to take
psychiatric medication in order to attend school and prohibit the state
from removing a child from parental custody based on a parent's refusal
to consent to the administration of psychotropic medication.

A bill introduced into the Connecticut legislature is more specific. It would require that all parents who are requested by the school to have their child evaluated be first provided with a statement that the government does not recommend any particular checklist, assessment or evaluation for psychiatric or psychological disorders, plus a copy of the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (the federal law that requires prior written parental consent before schools can require students to submit to psychological or psychiatric testing or treatment).

Last year, Alaska enacted a law forbidding schools from conducting
psychiatric or behavioral health evaluations and from requiring that a child take a psychotropic drug as a condition for attending a public school. Also last year, Arizona passed a law requiring that schools obtain written parental consent before conducting any mental health screening on any pupil and must make the actual survey questions available for inspection by parents.

Someone should notify state legislators and school districts that are
contemplating mental health screening requirements that the American
Psychological Association recently urged that "in most cases" of childhood mental disorders, non-drug treatment should "be considered first." This should include techniques that focus on parenting skills as well as help from teachers.

Even the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, an
organization whose members strongly favor drug treatment, just  completed new guidelines recommending that children receive talk therapy before being given drugs for the common complaint of moderate depression.

Parents should take on the responsibility of being parents, and they should beware of the psychotropic drugs that have unfortunate or even
tragic side effects. Parents should help to pass pro-parent legislation before those who think the "village" should raise all children use mental health screening to label their child as nuts.

Mrs. Schlafly is the author of the new book The Supremacists: The Tyranny of Judges and How to Stop It (Spence Publishing Co).
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2007, 09:04:38 AM »
Or... give Sex Surveys to sixth graders....
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... 25a#109909
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2007, 10:06:44 AM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""
Mrs Murphy, What is a golden shower?

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You had Mrs. Murphy, too?
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2007, 12:12:55 PM »
but always with proper protection.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2007, 12:55:22 PM »
Got to give that army of recent graduates of university psychology programs somewhere to work, now dont ya!?

my local grocery store now has a resident psychologist who profiles the customers for the management and all that.. or maybe now.. but would you blieve me if I told you that.. i bet you might in todays world.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2007, 01:04:10 PM »
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A bill introduced into the Connecticut legislature is more specific. It would require that all parents who are requested by the school to have their child evaluated be first provided with a statement that the government does not recommend any particular checklist, assessment or evaluation for psychiatric or psychological disorders, plus a copy of the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (the federal law that requires prior written parental consent before schools can require students to submit to psychological or psychiatric testing or treatment).


Amazing how fast the political machine gets into gear when parents rights are at risk. How about kids rights that are being violated on a daily basis at private programs, dont they deserve a bill for protection?

I think theres a certain level of cognitive dissonance on this topic as far as politics is concerned. Being mistreated and locked in a cage, for at least, tends to shift my views toward the capital Libertarian model for my own beliefs. Which would also mean that the unregulated TBS system is a free market, and the parents are getting exactly what they want without interference.

Hillary Clinton is one of the few politicians who supports kids right to sue their parents, and signing the UN declaration of rights and all that, and she is blasted from the "freedom" and liberty lobby as someone who wants to take away parents rights.

public schools are socialist institutions. They are not about learning, they are all about conditioning. That is clear from the day you walk into junior high school. They want to treat you like an employee not a kid anymore. They want to get you ready to go to work everyday for the rest of your life and take it up the ass without complaint. Truth is you used to be able to just walk off campus from school... now the armed police will drag you back.

what kind of fucker gets a job at a school harassing kids, smelling their hands when they come back from lunch? I dont know but Im glad I am not in that mental reality to see that as a 'good' thing. Same with program staff.. they occupy a parallel universe.
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2007, 01:49:12 PM »
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Got to give that army of recent graduates of university psychology programs somewhere to work, now dont ya!?

my local grocery store now has a resident psychologist who profiles the customers for the management and all that.. or maybe now.. but would you blieve me if I told you that.. i bet you might in todays world.


In a similar vein, a lot of companies now have prospective employees' take the meyers briggs test, or an equivalent, which is a crock, because the MB is about as accurate in depicting someone's personae as a drug test is at getting an accurate result. (Your chances are 50/50 with a drug test. Seriously.)
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 05:12:17 PM »
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High school to expand alcohol testing.  Yep, that's right kiddies.  Random urine screens Monday morning.  Better behave over the weekend!!! :o






By DAVID PORTER, Associated Press Writer 28 minutes ago

PEQUANNOCK, N.J. - Some teenagers who drink over the weekend could be in big trouble come Monday morning: A New Jersey school district plans to institute random urine tests capable of detecting whether alcohol was consumed up to 80 hours earlier.

Pequannock Township High, with about 800 students, said it will begin administering the tests next Monday.

"This is a major issue for America," School Superintendent Larrie Reynolds said Tuesday. "There are more kids that die each year in alcohol-related traffic deaths than there are soldiers who have died in
Iraq. The numbers are staggering."

At least one other New Jersey high school, in Middletown, employs the EtG test, which screens for ethyl glucuronide, a substance produced by the body when it metabolizes alcohol.

Pequannock teenagers who participate in sports or other extracurricular activities, or drive to school, are already tested for illegal drugs, under a 2005 program prompted by the heroin overdose of a student.

Students who test positive for alcohol will not be kicked off teams or barred from extracurricular activities. Instead they will receive counseling and their parents will be notified, Reynolds said.

"That's going to give our kids riding in the back seat of someone's car a very powerful reason to say no," he said.

Drug tests, similarly, can detect drug use that occurred days earlier.

The new test worries civil-liberties advocates and others who oppose school drug testing as an invasion of privacy.

"Medical care and treatment are issues between parents and children," said Deborah Jacobs, executive director of the
American Civil Liberties Union of New Jersey.

They also say that common household products such as mouthwash can produce a positive test result. Reynolds said that the test has been recalibrated so that for students to test positive, they would generally have to consume one or two drinks.

The EtG test costs about $20, Reynolds said. The school's overall testing program is funded by a three-year, $120,000 federal grant.

"No one's really taking it seriously. If you want to go to a party, you're still going to go to a party," senior Matt Huber said.


That is nuts!! I can see a basic alcohol test maybe but EtG testing?  One problem with using EtG is  this method includes or employees LC/MS (liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry, which is accurate back 3-4 days).  With LC/MS the testing can be easily expanded (by the technician, without your knowledge) to look  for other substances in your system like nicotine, flu medicine, Prozac etc.by just viewing different peeks in the mass spec read out,  which is a violation of your rights also, and presently there is no control over this.
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2007, 12:43:46 PM »
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/ ... c0402.html


Girl, 4, kept out of school for pink hair

Web Posted: 02/02/2007 01:21 AM CST

Drew Rosegen
KENS 5 Eyewitness News

A 4-year-old Uvalde girl was banned from her pre-school because of her hair color.

Natalyn Gracia loves her pink hair and so does her dad, Ricardo, but the Dalton Early Childhood Center calls her extreme and she's missed the last four days of school because of it.

Ricardo had her hair dyed for a school parade back in October. But, he said, he never got the warning letter that came two weeks later.

If he had, he would not have had her hair re-pinked over the Christmas break.

A spokeswoman for the school said they are working with Ricardo to make sure the girl is under compliance with the schools rules, which means she has to lose the pink hair.

More coverage
? KENS video: Watch the broadcast

"I think it's being too harsh, too abusive," Richard said.

And now out of school, Natalyn, is just practicing her Spanish and her English and counting to 10 in Latin. She's also counting the days until she returns to school.

The school should let her back in and then figure out what is too extreme, Ricardo said, but for the moment neither side is budging.


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