I got banned from ST

[psy]

For what exactly?

Probably this:

hank you so much to everyone here for getting me to open my eyes wider than they already were. There are personal issues that I cannot discuss here or anywhere in cyberspace, but I will say that things seem to be looking up for my daughter. I have learned that there are several options for her, with an rtc being the most drastic. She is not in a most drastic state, so she will not need an rtc. However, we are moving forward with talk therapy in town. That is the first step and I am happy to report that she is on board and is choosing the counselor. Fine with me. So long as she cooperates this time. If not, we will cross that bridge when we get to it. Thank you again, more than words can say.

She sent me an e-mail saying "can let your buddies know that our daughter will not ever go to an egbs thanks to you and others"

I guess Lon was worried people were listening.

[Nihilanthic]

What did I tell ya man?  :rofl:

Can't have the blight of REASON on their fucking forum now can we?

PARTY LINE. TALKING POINTS.

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH OCEANA!

EDIT:

Thanks for saving that one kid, at least.

[hanzomon4]

I don't even know what to say.....
You did a good job helping this lady and her kid, most importantly you remained civil. I guess this confirms what others have said about ST...

[Nihilanthic]

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE.

Check the shit I got banned for. Yanno, saying there is a burden of proof and a lack of facts, evidence, studies, whatnot... and corroborated accounts of abuse for at least as long as there have been programs.

"Its not to hold programs accountable, its to support parents". <- Jena.

That speaks for itself. Diagnose and treat actual problems instead of duckfarming our kids? Why, hell no... we must SUPPORT THE PARENT'S DECISION TO STAY THE COURSE!

[Anonymous]

Surprise meter just isn't registering over here...

[hanzomon4]

CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE.

Check the shit I got banned for. Yanno, saying there is a burden of proof and a lack of facts, evidence, studies, whatnot... and corroborated accounts of abuse for at least as long as there have been programs.

"Its not to hold programs accountable, its to support parents". <- Jena.

That speaks for itself. Diagnose and treat actual problems instead of duckfarming our kids? Why, hell no... we must SUPPORT THE PARENT'S DECISION TO STAY THE COURSE!

Stay the course?!?!!
Is ST run by Bush?  :rofl:

[psy]

Originally posted here: far worse than goetse

THE SPIN GOES ON!

By: Lon Woodbury

Roughly speaking, Spin is any statement that reflects the biases, prejudices and/or world view of the speaker. Anyone who has lived in this country will have been surrounded by it. We see and hear it in advertising, from politicians, or from anyone who is trying to talk us into believing something. In some aspects Americans have become very good at spotting spin, such as in discounting claims made in commercial advertising. But in other areas, there is the tendency to accept Spin as fact, without thinking though what is fact and what is opinion.

It has always amazed me how two people can start from the same set of facts and come to two entirely different conclusions. But, this is the world we live in and strongly underlines how important it is to tolerate different points of view without stooping to demonizing those we disagree with. Spin is presenting a subjective world view while trying to look objective. The trick for us is to see behind the world view of the writer to discern the facts behind the opinion, which is often not very easy. All too often, in issues relating to politics, finances and children for example, people tend to accept the spin and facts together, or in other words, accept the spin AS fact.

This is very true in most presentations and controversies regarding private residential parent-choice schools and programs. Those who believe these schools and programs generally do good work will emphasize the positive, while those who are critics will emphasize the negatives. Both are working from the same set of facts, so each perspective primarily reflects their world view of which facts are most descriptive of what is real. Both will "cherry-pick" the facts, picking those that confirm their world view as the norm, and discounting the rest as exceptions.

I recently ran across an excellent example of Spin in two essays presenting two opposing views coming from the same set of facts and circumstances. The main difference was in their speculations on the motives of the individuals in the story. Everything else was parallel. Both were composite constructions of the events in a transport of a child from his home to an unnamed program across the country, written from the world view of the writers. In a sense, both are right because there are many stories of transporters who were little more than thugs, treating the children they were transporting as if they were criminals, especially in the public system. There also are many stories of transports where the child virtually bonded with the people transporting them and reported it as a positive experience helping them to change their lives for the better. A person tends to emphasize his/her view of a story largely is based on his/her view of human nature. I encourage you to read both versions, and then decide for yourself which one presents the truth as you know it.

The first essay was written by Isabelle Zehnder, founder of the Coalition Against Institutionalized Child Abuse at www.caica.org. In this version of a transport, the mother is wishy-washy, her husband was insensitive and selfish, the transport agents were little more than thugs, and the program was abusive, uncaring and dishonest to the mother. It concluded that the program was insensitive, abusive and the whole experience was damaging to the child. Although incidents like this do occur, by presenting it as typical, it reflects a bleak view of human nature that people cannot be trusted, at least without some regulatory authority looking over their shoulder.

Disagreeing with the tone of Zehnder's presentation, Janyce Lastman, an educational consultant from Toronto, Canada, wrote her version of the same story, but included incidents that had been told to her by her clients and their children who had been involved with transports. Lastman sent it to Zehnder so she could present another view in fairness to Zehnder's readers, but it was never accepted.

In the Lastman version the mother is understandably torn and confused, the father is confused but eventually becomes supportive, the transports are professional and considerate - treating the boy with firmness and dignity, and the program staff is honest with the mother while still being firm and caring with the child. This world view is more optimistic, believing that people can be trusted, at least if they have developed good reputations for professional conduct.

So there you have it, one story, based on the same facts, but with two different views of human nature. In comparing them, you can make your own decision as to which one is closest to reality. However, remember, your choice reflects more your view of human nature than it does anything else.

Damage control already lon?

100% horse poopie.. i mean shit

[Anonymous]

It doesn't matter Psy, the girl isn't going to be sent away, happy days  

[psy]

It doesn't matter Psy, the girl isn't going to be sent away, happy days  

That it is.   ::cheers::

[Anonymous]

Lon gets more and more pathetic by the day. It makes me wonder if he's just worried about Fornits and ISAC, or if he has something else eating his balls that he's not telling anyone about...

[psy]

Lon gets more and more pathetic by the day. It makes me wonder if he's just worried about Fornits and ISAC, or if he has something else eating his balls that he's not telling anyone about...

hopefully it's malignant.

[Anonymous]

For what its worth ... many "regulars" over there argued against a "placement", both in the public forum and in private messages.  That, independent of efforts of "regulars" here.

Not all who think "programs" of some type can be good think all "problems" can be solved by them.

[try another castle]

Funny for him to be talking about spin, but I guess that is obvious. Picks the two worst examples, self-serving Izzy, and an ed con, to prove his point, by design.

So I wonder, does he also think survivor testimony is spin? He didn't have the balls to mention that. At least out loud. Pussy.

psy, you're quite patient to wade through all of those ST politics in order to deal with the real issue.

Time to get a new gmail account and re-register. I can send you an invite if you want. Unless, of course, they banned your IP.

[Anonymous]

Proxies FTW.

[psy]

Funny for him to be talking about spin, but I guess that is obvious. Picks the two worst examples, self-serving Izzy, and an ed con, to prove his point, by design.

So I wonder, does he also think survivor testimony is spin? He didn't have the balls to mention that. At least out loud. Pussy.

psy, you're quite patient to wade through all of those ST politics in order to deal with the real issue.

Time to get a new gmail account and re-register. I can send you an invite if you want. Unless, of course, they banned your IP.

I'm going to try and appeal their decision.  Otherwise. *shrugs*.  i guess i can't post on ST.  I'm not going to bother with multiple accounts and stuff.