Why do activists care?

[Nihilanthic]

Watch it, people here don't know that isn't an insult.

www.poolsclosed.com for info and afroduck.

[psy]

So does activism have anything to do with the severity of what is going on? reason I ask is because I see so many people organizing and doing all kinds of things to save chickens and rats and PETA freaks and ECO fascists like ELF and those people... to save some trees. I wonder why they dont try and save their peers. I am thinking these days a lot of people dont see anything wrong with it. Even the so called  "activists" who just want a scare story and strawmen they can beat to death on command to show parents how much they hate abuse right before they cash in..

People at large, these days, don't think many of the things that happen are possible in this country.

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate "cash in".  With the possable exception of that traitor, Sue Scheff, who is making the money here?  Hm?  Program supporters (such as educational consultants) or anti-program advocates?

im talking about the next generation of sou chefs, venture down into the wwasps forum to see my meaning. its not unique either. when kids grow up for a year or more and watch and study a system, it becomes natural to think they can rebuild it, improve it, it fits in with the natural pattern of thought and resolution. isnt it a thought to think that YOU could start the BESt program in the country, where you spoil the kids and take good care of them and everyone sings around the campfire? Its not possible. No matter who you are, program survivor, mother teresa, nobody can do it and do not address the point that these places arent necessary and 99% of the kids sent away would NEVER qualify for inpatient treatment if professionals were making the decision!  :flame:

Have i ever considered starting a program...  Fuck no.  I realize full well that people with good intentions often fuck things up worse than evil people.  I know of the stanford prison phenomenon...

whos cashing in.. well currently id say its the edcons. they are the ones benefiting from abusive program the most financially, because once parents are more informed of the danger, they take more pecaution (presumably) in choosing their school. that adds a layer of jobs for a bunch of housewives, ex program freaks and anyone else willing to do the dirty work of selling prison sentences to kids parents. wwasps is only a small part of the industry, but all the negative press about them is certainly benifitingn other programs, and styles of programs like wilderness. just as boot camps were ultimately decided to be too hard, unenlightened and worthless (now used on poor kids in public institutions) the rich kids parents want to experiment in lighter, psychological forms of coercion. watching some big black dude scream at little johnny is too much for them. now the parents never see what happens.. coincidence?

maybe i am paranoid, or schizo, but i see this industry shifting dramatically at the moment, and while some "advocates" might be breathing a sigh of relief, I think any relenting of criticism will ultimately give credit to similarly ineffective programs, even if they appear to be less physically abusive.

i guess its getting really dishonest, and creepy. you know what i mean?

i dont consider myself an activist at all.. just a program survivor. of course i will tell anybody about it they really wnat to know, but i dont seek parents out. i made htat mistake when i first came home, OMG.. dont underestimate the fact that these programs attract crazy parents, or maybe crazy parents have kids who act out, but there is a pattern. WWASPS parents and potential wwasps parents tended to be pretty domineering, control freak and I guess I feel bad for their kid becfause they weren't going to listen to anybody.  I hate to stereotype, but there is a typical wwasps parent.. .and it ain't pretty.

i like fornits but this recent push to make this into a activist forum and every post to consider what people think of us.. i find that extremely program like and boy do i love talking out of group!

so with that in mind... forget everything I just said.. because i will

Shit.  If you want to speak anonymously, log out and guest post.  I don't care what other people think about what i post in any case.  As a survivor, i consider it my responsability to help others.. but that's just me.  Do what you want.

You do seem a bit paranoid but I can't say i'm not the same way at times.  It's natural to be paranoid when people have been fucked over as much as we have.

Maybe you don't realize it.. but even speaking out about your abuse makes you an advocate..  Many don't even bother sadly.

[Antigen]

I don't know why I keep thinking about the Illuminati, but I do.

Really? I keep thinking more and more about the Illuminatus

[try another castle]

I don't know why I keep thinking about the Illuminati, but I do.

Really? I keep thinking more and more about the Illuminatus

That, too.


Fucking fnords everywhere, man.

[Antigen]

maybe i am paranoid, or schizo, but i see this industry shifting dramatically at the moment, and while some "advocates" might be breathing a sigh of relief, I think any relenting of criticism will ultimately give credit to similarly ineffective programs, even if they appear to be less physically abusive.

i guess its getting really dishonest, and creepy. you know what i mean?

You do seem a bit paranoid but I can't say i'm not the same way at times.  It's natural to be paranoid when people have been fucked over as much as we have.

I disagree. Paranoia is unfounded fear. Let me offer you some foundation. Straight was supposed to be the kinder, gentler Seed.  :rofl: to keep from crying! One of the nifty little pranks they played on us was to tape signs up on the walls that said something like "You have the right to call 1-800-kidabuse (or some such) at any time to report abuse." This they did to comply with new requirements following a period of unusual interest by HRS. These brainiacs at HRS and whomever else was involved in that effort neglected to put in place any requirement to phone access. What a bunch of merry pranksters they were! God, I miss `em sometimes so excuse me for a second while I reload.

The overall effect was completely demoralizing; like suffocating while listening to your would be rescuers give up the search.

And then there are things like mandatory encounter group attendance in public schools. Certainly they can't come close to doing the kind of damage that a full time, long term, secluded program can do. But they effect more people and, by so doing, normalize all of the underpinning philosophy and practices of the Program.

I'm kind of a purist on this, I know, and that makes me seem difficult and bitchy. But I'm pretty certain of what I'm seeing. As I said above, I spent some years convincing myself that it was all in my crazy little head and thanking the people around me who demanded that I view things that way just for tolerating my craziness.

Then I woke up

Now I'm about done the demolition phase of renovating my life and re-learning how to trust my own gut.