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« on: January 25, 2007, 07:21:49 PM »
While this question could have piggybacked off the "mental illness" thread ... I am going to post it separately.

What do you know about ECT treatments?  Have you ever had any personal experience with them?  How about any professional experience?

I understand the heated debate about the existence/non-existence of mental illness and the whole pharmacological approach to treat or not treat ... but am curious about this approach to treat mental illness.

Thanks in advance for perspectives.
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« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 07:25:54 PM »
I was in a psych hopistal once that seemed ECT happy, a few people in my "group:" got it done regularly. It was pretty funny/sad/pathetic depending on how you viewed it. They were doing it willingly, afterall, and were fully grown adults. It seemed to "work", they were all happy with it. I saw the room where they did it and layed down on it. It looks really benign, it's not like the movies or anything like that. The person goes in, then when they come out they are barely concious, with a stupid grin on their face, drooling, being escorted back to their room. They wake up the next day with no memory of it, and they get a "boost" in their mood. But the fucked up thing is it only lasts for a short time, so they are doing them couple times weekly. It's not for me. When I saw this thread it made me laugh, I have to admit it was kind of funny.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2007, 08:18:46 AM »
Well it was not meant to be funny.  For some people who have suffered with clinical depression, and who have not responded well to meds it is a measure of last resort.

When suicide is looming, individuals and their families will try just about anything to avoid an untimely death.

With that said I just wonder what kind of sadistic person would find this thread funny and laughable?

Geesh.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 08:29:20 AM »
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With that said I just wonder what kind of sadistic person would find this thread funny and laughable?


Probably someone who finds quackery science offensive.


Labatomies were considered an option recently too. I bet you thought the people who criticized those were insensitive ?  :rofl:

Truth do you have experience yourself with ECT or you just come here to get that self righteism boost, I need REAL information please.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 08:32:00 AM »


ZAP!
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 08:39:25 AM »
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I am afraid that I have had the (recent) unfortunate experience of first hand experience with ECT.

Of course, the psychiatric professionals DO endorse such treatments.  And empirical evidence suggests that it is helpful ... albeit short term.  I understand that "maintenance" treatments are often required.  And it is further suggested that pharmacological treatment continue.

Is it quackery?  I don't know.  Is it quackery when a terminal cancer patient flies to Mexico to get treatments that are not currently FDA approved in the United States?  I don't know.  Is it quackery when traditional medicine has failed people so they resort to holistic healing ... such as radical diets and such.  I don't know.

I do know that depression can be terminal.  And that we are desperate to find answers before the funeral.

You may find this thread laughable.  I find the mental health system in this country laughable.
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« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 08:43:17 AM »
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Is it quackery when a terminal cancer patient flies to Mexico to get treatments that are not currently FDA approved in the United States? I don't know. Is it quackery when traditional medicine has failed people so they resort to holistic healing ... such as radical diets and such. I don't know.


Yes that costs peoples lives , just like the teens are diverted into quackery treatment of private cult like programs, when there are other options that dont do so much harm to the kids. The difference is that adults go to ECT willingly.. if they were shocking kids against their will, no I wouldnt find that humurous. I was friends with the people getting it and we all laughed about it together, I never said this "thread" was laughable. Call me a sadist I could care less Ive been called much worse.
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« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2007, 08:57:21 AM »
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I never said this "thread" was laughable.
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Perhaps I'm misreading you ... but you said "this thread made me laugh".  Short term memory issues?  Here ... let me refresh your memory.

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When I saw this thread it made me laugh, I have to admit it was kind of funny.
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Hmmm ... guess one of us is confused then.
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« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2007, 09:02:22 AM »
I find it interesting you have personal experience with ECT and then skip right over the question and then get into nit picking my post. Smoke a bowl or something.

Since you want to take my last sentence out of context, and judge me based on that I think thats typical of everyone here so whatever. But for other people who walk into this thread, what I meant by that was that I hadnt thought about those people in a long time and when I saw this thread it made me laugh, it brought up good memories from the past and people I hadnt thought of in a while. By "it" I mean the treatment not this thread!! Yes we all thought it was funny, we had fun in that psych hospital. Sorry if that bothers you so much!!  :roll:

So how about answering the question, or did something else I say offend you? !  :rofl:

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Yes, you are.. but seriously what do I care.. at least this thread is getting some action now.

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« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2007, 09:03:35 AM »
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Hmmm ... guess one of us is confused then.


Well it aint' me !  :P
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« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2007, 09:11:46 AM »
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I find the mental health system in this country laughable.


Good then we agree, but how can you think an entire industry is laughable, but not one of the craziest part of it going on? Doesnt make a whole lot of sense... then again I could go on a long self righteous rant about how the mental health system saves peoples lives and you laughing at it makes you sadistic.. but what kind of silly argument is that?
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2007, 10:30:36 AM »
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What question is it that I failed to answer?  Do I have personal experience with ECT?  Yes unfortunately.  Thought I answered that clearly enough.

I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you  .... or anyone else here.  I really was looking for thoughts and experiences.
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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2007, 10:35:36 AM »
You are skillfully evasive; have a seat.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2007, 11:08:57 AM »
Quote from: ""Truth Searcher""
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What question is it that I failed to answer?  Do I have personal experience with ECT?  Yes unfortunately.  Thought I answered that clearly enough.

I really don't want to get into a pissing match with you  .... or anyone else here.  I really was looking for thoughts and experiences.


You did earlier. I gave my thoughts and you called me a sadist. Do you have anything else to contribute?
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« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2007, 11:12:48 AM »
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I really was looking for thoughts and experiences to judge.


Fixed that for you.
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