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« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2004, 10:27:00 AM »
You might find some help and answers here. Lots of info on cutting:

http://www.mhsanctuary.com/borderline/
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« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2004, 12:51:00 PM »
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On 2004-03-30 03:00:00, Kiwi wrote:

"Read the WWASP Crimes Report which can be found at:



http://http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp.html



It contains some CCM-specific information but, more than that, it will give you some idea what kind of organization you re dealing with.



Some of the allegations, like corporate layering and false company registrations, can be easily verified from public records."


Before you get too hung up on ISAC and their validity, you may notice that you will see a lot of "in our opinion", so you can see that it's not based on fact, but opinions.  THey sure look legitimate, but I have my doubts, big time.
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2004, 01:57:00 PM »
I would not recommend a punitive "structured" program for any child with a major mental illness.

I also believe that because of the relatively high risk of suicide, BPD should be reclassified as one of the major mental illnesses.

Take a hint from the US military.  They do not accept people with major mental illnesses, or even many of the minor ones, as recruits to go into Boot Camp.  If they discover a major mental illness or even many of the minor ones, they will discharge the recruit "for the good of the service" right then.

They don't do that because they don't like people with mental health problems.  They do that because they have long experience and recognize that the highly structured "break you down to build you up" format of boot camp works well for mentally healthy men and works okay for mentally healthy women, but has very bad results with mentally ill people.

While many of these programs aren't "boot camps," their punitive structure and confrontational therapeutic model is very much the same psychologically as boot camp.

Your daughter may well need residential treatment, but the kind of treatment appropriate to a child that shoplifts or gets in fistfights or breaks into neighborhood houses is *not* the type of treatment that will help her problem.

Any residential treatment program that accepts teens with those problems is going to be inappropriate for a teen with *your* teen's problem.

*Your* teen needs the facility to have enough control over the facility to keep her away from sharp objects, and a supportive therapeutic model focused on therapies that have good support in scientific studies for actually being effective in the treatment of her disorder.

Behavior Modification facilities almost universally lack rigorous clinical studies supporting their claims to "success" in treating specific mental illnesses.  Instead, they generally rely on testimonials and the feelings of parents of being satisfied with the service---without any objective measure (and tests to make those measurements *do* exist) to show that improvement actually occurred.

At least one study I'm aware of showed that parents and former students referred to the researcher by a BM facility gave the researcher glowing reviews for how much they'd been "helped"---but objective measures of the depressive symptoms that they'd supposedly been helped with showed *no change*.

Buyer Beware.  Big time.

There is a lot of bad residential treatment out there, and you can't tell by cost---some of the bad places cost an arm and a leg.

Look for a mental health facility that takes patients with mental illnesses but *doesn't take* patients with criminal misbehavior problems, that has a supportive rather than confrontational therapeutic model (group therapy, done right, can be good---but in residential centers, it may be a warning sign of confrontational approaches where newcomers are yelled at for their percieved failings by oldcomers--ask lots of questions.  Buyer Beware).

Ask detailed questions about the food and water.  With some facilities, the claim that the food is "plain, but nourishing" has been a euphemism for food that is calorically and nutritionally inadequate to the level of activity of the teen.  The day's meals should have enough calories for an active teen of your child's body weight, and should be balanced by protein, carbs, and fat.  Fresh fruit and vegetables should be abundant in the menus. Weigh your child on visits to check for sudden, unexplained weight loss.  Ask, specifically, and get it signed and in writing, that your child's food will not be reduced or altered as punishment for rulebreaking.

Your child should *not* be carrying around and having to refill a plastic water bottle---those things build up e-coli like no tomorrow.  Tap water should be clean and readily available.  Look for water fountains or lots of disposable paper cups and trash cans.

Out of the blue on a visit, unannounced, ask to see your child's dorm room and where she keeps her clothes.  Verify that there are plenty of clean changes of clothing in her size, as well as enough storage (dressers, closets) for ample change of clothing for any roommate(s).

Check her toiletries, unannounced.  She should have plenty of soap and shampoo and toothpaste and a toothbrush (in good condition), there should be ample toilet paper in the bathrooms, as well as ample menstrual supplies wherever they're kept.  Make sure the showers are clean.

Go to the cafeteria at a mealtime and verify that the children are actually eating what you've been told they are.

Check the kitchen and verify that the supplies on hand seem adequate to supporting that volume of children eating what you've been told they eat.

Talk to your child's therapist at the facility and ask him/her to discuss with you the therapeutic model he/she is using and his/her views on the relative merits of supportive versus confrontational therapeutic models.

Ask very detailed questions about exactly how infractions of the rules are dealt with, and with timeout kind of punishments, ask very detailed questions about where it takes place (ask to see the room---don't take "no" for an answer---if they try to put you off it's a major red flag).  Make sure the room is neither too cold nor too hot.  Ask if students being punished in this fashion are required to assume specific positions or postures and/or are restricted from changing positions or postures.  Get what you are told signed and in writing.

There is good residential treatment out there.

There is also a lot of bad treatment and misleading if not outright fraudulent claims made to parents about the treatment of their child.

It's like hiring a contractor to do work on your house---fraud and bad practices are rife, you *really* have to do your homework.

This doesn't mean you shouldn't use residential treatment in situations that call for it, just that you have to check out the facility extremely carefully.

Any *good* facility will know there are bad facilities out there and won't be at all put off at you asking so many questions and wanting the answers in writing.

Any facility that *is* put off by that is likely worrying that you'd have too much proof in a fraud lawsuit if they mistreat your child or don't provide the services you're paying them for.

Buyer Beware.
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« Reply #63 on: August 07, 2004, 02:06:00 AM »
I dont know anything about the legal stuff that you are talking about. I was a CCM alumni, if you want to call it that.  I was there in 1996.  I stayed for nine months.  I worked my way through the system and got out.  I am still trying to recover from my experience there.  The only thing I learned from CCM was how to be a really good liar.  I would really like to get in touch with any one who was there the same time as me.  I made some close friends durring my stay there.  My name is Sarah, it used to be McCue, and I was from Alaska.  I was in G Group.  I don't even know if this forum is for this but I just was thinking about how horrible this place was and though that I would research it on the net... I am finding a lot of interesting things out.  I believe that many girls were abused by staff and other girls durring there stays at CCM.  Just thinking back on the seminars and how wierd and twisted they were gives me chills!!!!

Sarah
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2005, 09:48:00 PM »
I just wanted to check back in with all of you.  I was the original author of the "my daughter has been there for 2 months now".  My daughter has been there almost 1 year now and is doing great!  She has not cut since April of 2004.  Her self esteem is inching back up.  She is brighter and not depressed any more.  We talk to her every other week and also go to visit her.  My initial fears were unfounded.  My daughter has had to have glasses, dental visits and some other doctors appointments and they have all been handled with great care.  I cannot speak highly enough about Cross Creek.  I am sorry for anyone that may have had a bad experience, but I just don't understand that about CCM.
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« Reply #65 on: January 12, 2005, 01:32:00 AM »
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On 2005-01-11 18:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I just wanted to check back in with all of you.  I was the original author of the "my daughter has been there for 2 months now".  My daughter has been there almost 1 year now and is doing great!  She has not cut since April of 2004.  Her self esteem is inching back up.  She is brighter and not depressed any more.  We talk to her every other week and also go to visit her.  My initial fears were unfounded.  My daughter has had to have glasses, dental visits and some other doctors appointments and they have all been handled with great care.  I cannot speak highly enough about Cross Creek.  I am sorry for anyone that may have had a bad experience, but I just don't understand that about CCM."


I find it hard to believe you are the person who started this thread. You sound like a WWASPie who's trying to make use of the OP's message to spread some more of your bullshit about how wonderful your concentration camps are.
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« Reply #66 on: January 12, 2005, 06:49:00 AM »
Oh my goodness! What if it is really her and her daughter is really doing well? Sorry but not ALL of it is bs.
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« Reply #67 on: January 12, 2005, 08:05:00 AM »
Just another example of why this board is just a bunch of over reaction.
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« Reply #68 on: January 12, 2005, 08:48:00 AM »
Here's something to consider.
We have a lot of anon posts here. For all we know you posted the previous message so you could make the lame suggestion that the survivors and parents who post at Fornits over react.

That just isn't the case. Every message board is going to have its share of different opinions, arguments, and accusations. It is incumbent on parents or others who read, to weed through the riff raff and analyze the rational information provided.

Don't attempt to discredit all the survivors and parents here based on one anon post, which, as I stated, you could've made yourself.
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« Reply #69 on: January 12, 2005, 08:55:00 AM »
That's lame. I wouldn't do that. I don't need to set things up. Please. People will think what they want to. For all we know it was you who posted it. At least I have the balls to use my name.
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« Reply #70 on: January 12, 2005, 09:40:00 AM »
Perrigaud, the anon above you was responding to the anon who made the "over reaction" comment, not to you.

WWASPies lie. That's a well-known fact. I would not put it past a WWASPie to make up some story in order to build up an opportunity to glorify their sick, abusive treatment cult.
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« Reply #71 on: January 12, 2005, 09:43:00 AM »
That's a stupid generalization. No, people in general lie. Not just WWASPIES. I personally don't see the point in lying. Besides you people will think what you want to. That's the beauty of America.
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« Reply #72 on: January 12, 2005, 06:18:00 PM »
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On 2005-01-12 06:43:00, Perrigaud wrote:

"That's a stupid generalization. No, people in general lie. Not just WWASPIES. I personally don't see the point in lying. Besides you people will think what you want to. That's the beauty of America. "


Of course, you're right.

But there's another likely explanation. What if this parent (who didn't start the thread, but who is indeed posting from the same account as the one who first gave a progress report on her daughter) is not lying, but is also not telling the truth?

What I mean by that is that everything she says is true to the best of her knowledge. The kid does seem more cheerful, more confident and hasn't cut herself in months. None of these are bad things. However, I never saw anyone on the higher phases of any of these programs project anything but a glowing, cheerul, entheusiastic image of themselves and the program (except for one or two just before they got started over)

Regardless of that seemiong 100% (of graduates) success rate, many graduates have serious difficulty after graduation. Very often, the original problems reemerge along w/ new issues.

Sometimes not. Some people really do just shrug it off and go on. My point is that this mother can't possibly know how this kid is feeling and thinking. The kid is hardly in a position to even take time to reflect, let alone be candid about it.

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« Reply #73 on: January 13, 2005, 04:19:00 AM »
I agree completely. It's an evironment that is so intoxicating. It's easy to get caught up in the positivity and growing. However, once out of the program they don't have the same system. Because of that a lot of kids that haven't picked up the skills will fail. I've seen a lot of my peers fall flat on their face. I didn't due to the fact that I knew what I was up for. I knew I wasn't going to be monitered and graded. CCM was safe and I knew it. If I made a mistake the worst case scenario was dropping levels and starting over. I still had a roof over my head, food, water, and people to help me pick myself up. If those kids don't prepare for the real world they are doomed. We were told that the program was easy. Some of us didn't really take into account the differences. So yes, the daughter may be doing well for now. Only time will tell if she really is doing well.
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« Reply #74 on: January 13, 2005, 01:45:00 PM »
hi everyone,
I got a awkward question, maybe it isnt permissible, but I see the importance of that:
How do the kids in WWASP treatment handle their sexuality? Is there any privacy left for this? (I can't imagine they tolerate this in public.)
Sorry if you think that question better not to mention.
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