Cross Creek Manor WWASP -- Telling the Truth

[Anonymous]

That's the best advice I've seen in a long time.  Instead of fearing a place that has been around for a long time and has a high success rate (no, no numbers, just real live humans) GO and visit, talk with everyone, even the kids alone without a staff person present and see for yourselves.

[Anonymous]

fair enuf.  but dont take your kid w/you.  go see first.  think long and hard.  there are "consequences" to that decision.

[Antigen]

On 2003-06-20 22:34:00, FaceKhan wrote:

When Dr. Drew says you ought to have to get a license to have a kid these days I always hope he means because of parents like this.

Well, hope springs eternal. But, having stumbled accross a helping of Dr. Drew from time to time, I have a feeling he'd like for these parenting licenses to be issued by the Parent Corps.

One has to multiply thoughts to the point where there aren't enough
policemen to control them



--Stanislaw Lec

[Anonymous]

http://www.coldwaterthemovie.com/

This is a documentary on WWASP.
click on movie at the top of the site and you
will get more info!

peace,
Z

[Anonymous]

they won't let you speak unsupervised to students.
If you talk to a 'student' there I guarantee they've been there a min. of 9 months and are on level 5 or 6 and Already Brain Washed.

These institutions are a nightmare and I am appalled that parents are falling for the con!

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-17 08:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"they won't let you speak unsupervised to students.

If you talk to a 'student' there I guarantee they've been there a min. of 9 months and are on level 5 or 6 and Already Brain Washed.



These institutions are a nightmare and I am appalled that parents are falling for the con!



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There's a sucker born every minute---P.T. Barnum

Unfortunately, this con (TBS industry) is worse than most in that it abuses children as a means to the end of sucking more money out of their parents.

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-17 08:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.coldwaterthemovie.com/



This is a documentary on WWASP.

click on movie at the top of the site and you

will get more info!



peace,

Z"

Not quite exactly a documentary on WWASP, as I understand it. I think this is a docudrama (fiction based on fact) on the entire troubled parent, private teen prison industry. Though WWASP is a big player in that arena, they are by NO means the entire industry or the source of all the problems.

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--"I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."
--Abraham Lincoln

[Anonymous]

Hey, Peace Z - you're in some kind of la la land if you think this move would even resemble a wwasp school.  Did you take a look at the "location" photos?  Looks like some termite/rat infested podunk backwoods joke.  

They better get in production cuz I heard that some of the parents involved in the movie industry are making one that is based on the truth.  

Coldwater - better get some COLD water to wake them up!  :rofl:      :wave:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-17 19:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Hey, Peace Z - you're in some kind of la la land if you think this move would even resemble a wwasp school.  Did you take a look at the "location" photos?  Looks like some termite/rat infested podunk backwoods joke.  



They better get in production cuz I heard that some of the parents involved in the movie industry are making one that is based on the truth.  



Coldwater - better get some COLD water to wake them up!  :rofl:      :wave: "

HAH!  The Passion of the Parents ... yeah, right.

[Antigen]

Oh, you mean like Not My Kid and Gone Way Down so vaguely resembled Virgil's shinning vision of Straight, Inc.?

The more things change, the more they stay the same. :roll:

Seriously though. There's been a growing number of Program themed productions floating around through the years. There's a Disney movie called Holes, a few episodes of Twilight Zone and Outer Limits themed on brainwashing and BM schools. Hell, even going back as far as The Stepford Wives, which was based on the mischief of Dr. Cameron up in Canada, the arts have been treating the subject.

Now, it's actually only about 2% of the teenage population that land up in these godawful places. As you folks delude yourselves that you're so doggone right that you must, eventually, prevail and force your views on the rest of society, the arts and media will probably pick up on it more and more.

Let's not forget that Ryan didn't write Coldwater. The project was already well on it's way when he found out about it. This is the troubled parent industry's worst nightmare; professional outsiders interested in turning a buck by telling the story. It takes a thousand voices, but eventually every story gets told.

Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw.
--Bastard Administrator

[Anonymous]

Okay, now, my daughter has been there for 2 months now.  Before we sent her to Cross Creek Manor we tried individual therapy, group therapy, inpatient, outpatient, changing schools, you name it...we tried it.  My daughter has a manipulative behavior and has problems with cutting.  Unfortunately now that I have read your posts, I am confused all over again.  We thought that we were doing the right thing.  She is very rebellious at the school.  She goes up and down.  Some good things have come from this.  I can tell just from her letters to me each week.  I communicate with other parents and graduates on a BBS service.  Everyone there seems so supportive.  No one ever seems to have anything bad to say.  I have often wondered why that is.  Maybe now that I have read this, I am just paranoid.  Anyway, I think that I am going to ask to talk to my daughter this week.  They suggested that we not do this for at least another month.  I really do love my daughter.  These posts that claim that the parents that send their children away are horrible must not understand.  I was afraid for my daughters life.  There was no place in our state that could keep her as an inpatient with schooling.  CCM offered this.  Even when we had her in the hospital they couldn't force her to take any medication that was prescribed for her without her consent.  She's only 13!  Aren't these doctors confident enough in their abilities to know better than a 13 year old?  Please, if anyone has any comments that are constructive and not abusive, I am willing to listen.  Believe me, if I find out that any of this stuff is true-I will help try to bring this group down.

[Anonymous]

The wounds of sending your daughter away are still fresh.  Reading the postings on this forum are going to bring fear, so I would ask you to talk to your daughter's Family Rep, or better yet, ask to speak to the Director and tell him about what you are reading here.  WWASPS has not gone without noticing what is being posted here.  There is a website they've created that tells the truth, and has many letters of support. http://www.wwaspsrebuttal.com - That's what I would focus on.  The parents on the BBS can say anything they want to. Attacks are not allowed, and those are few and far between anyway.  If you read the postings from the grads, it's clear that it's not all fun and games.  But what they will all say is that they are living lives that are true, not fake anymore.

This forum hurts parents like you with its ugly attacks.  It's human nature to look at the dark side, but that's not what your daughter needs you to focus on.  If you have a support group in your area, go and meet the kids that have been in CC or the other schools.  That tells a better story than anything you'll see written here or even on the BBS!

[Kiwi]

Read the WWASP Crimes Report which can be found at:

http://http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp.html

It contains some CCM-specific information but, more than that, it will give you some idea what kind of organization you re dealing with.

Some of the allegations, like corporate layering and false company registrations, can be easily verified from public records.

[Anonymous]

your daughter needs professional help.  read your enrollment agreement.  are there educated, trained counselors, certified teachers, etc. there
not speaking to her in two months:  check the isaccorp.com website for warning signs of abusive centers.
intrepidnetreporters.com i believe has an article about cross creek.
i doubt she will be able to work out her problems there in the very limited time during the day where the kids are allowed to speak.  I suggest you go there today and check on her.
that would be my advice.  the wasp "supportive" bbs and the people i talked to, what i found when my son got out of wasp was that was all quite frankly bullshit.

[Anonymous]

I feel very strongly,If your daughter is cutting; is mentally ill; you could not have made a worse choice.
I understand why you did and I don't mean to be attacking you. I understand you think you finely found an answer to a horrible and extreamly troubling situation with your daughter; but in my opinion, you were sold what you were looking for but it is not at all what your going to get.
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Lastly, I want to make a statement of personal regret. There where occasions, during my time using the WWASPS board, that parents would ask about the appropriateness of the program for a mentally ill child. I?m thinking specifically of Borderline girls, altho, I think what I am about to say would apply to many others as well. I do have a better than average laymen?s understanding of BPD. Thinking I knew how the program was managed, I at times advised worried Moms and Dads that the highly structured environment and close therapeutic relationships could be good for their BPD daughters. I always pointed out how very much the condition could vary and that no blanket statement can ever be made. Thats still is true... But I am fearful now, having come to understand the realities of the Program better, that these girls, or any mentally ill child, could be made very much worse by the kind of stress and ill treatment they would be enduring. I am very fearful the kind of girl that most concerns me, could be made seriously suicidal; and it Must be understood, no one ever seems to be turned down for WWASPS placement, due to the Program being an inappropriate treatment for a child?s problem. I am deeply regretful that I may have added to the probability of causing real and lasting psychological harm.



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