ACRONYM SOUP, or how to run everyone off...

[Antigen]

Since everyone's posting to this and I don't want to be untrendy, I guess I should throw something in.

As regards religion, I don't profess any. I do use it for context, though, since I was raised Orthodox Presby with a heavy dose of Catholic culture on both sides of the family. What can I say, we are all products of our experience.

That said, I don't find religious arguments to be compelling proof or evidence of any fact. Saying something like "X is true because the Bible says _____" doesn't make a compelling argument. You might just as well say "X is true because I believe it.", which amounts to saying absolutely nothing. I already understood that you believed it the first time you said it.

 I do find religious discussion useful in understanding the context in which a discussion takes place. All of the religions that I know of focus on the same basic, cave-man realities of life on this planet as a human. I view them all as attempts to explain or describe or illustrate those realities. Nothing more and no less.

As for threatening legal action against each other, please don't. That's all I can say. I can't stop you if you're intent on doing that. But I can and will beg you not to engage in that kind of psyche violence. It's not nice and doesn't really help anyone at all that I can tell. In my opinion, force of law is about as bad, and sometimes worse, than killing force and should only be used in self defense and as a means of last resort. Just my opinion.

He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)

[METALGOD8]

So what do you god fearin folks think god was thinking when he created humans anyway? I would think that it was a noble idea at some point, but then again, according to the scriptures, the very first child was a murderer and had to have had an incest based relationship at least once to make Adam and Eve's grandkids right? This isn't the chicken and the egg is it?
I know, it's hard thinking about the reality of the situation here, but, according to the bible, ahem, I suppose we are all related by blood, some of which is probably boiling right now. :smokin:

[Antigen]

If there's one thing I'm pretty sure of about the return of Christ, it's not that it hasn't happened or that it has or what the Anointed One would make of any creed or cause.

It is this. I don't think he's going to like the crosses everywhere. Think about it. Those had to be absolutely, without question, the worst three days of that mortal man's 33 years! How would you like it if, for example, you were mauled by a bear, barely survived, came out of a coma a couple thousand years later and everywhere you look people are cheering and screaming your name, brandishing pictures and jewelry and statues and all sorts of other reminders of you being mauled by a bear?!

Seriously, though, I don't think God was thinking about anything when people came to be or came to be self aware or came to apreciate the value of the written word and recorded history. I really don't think we're that big a deal. Dogs, now. Dogs are pretty cool. I have a year old pup who never spent a month with her pack. And yet, she has this compulsion to bury bones. I'm sure I didn't teach her that, so where'd she learn it?

Bible teachers used to tell me that the complexity and eloquence of the universe is proof of a sentient, concious and intelligent creator. But then, who created the creator? It's just as circular as anything else. I really think it all just happened, is still happening and we create gods to try and make sense of it all. But it's beyond our understanding and, therefore, not worth arguing about much less killing for.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

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[Carmel]

No thanks Abush...one was enough for me!  Im sorry if I came off wrong to you.  Indeed you did not refer to anyone in particular.....I interpreted it as a generalization, as I stated, and I took that badly.

Anyway, I dont want to give you reason to think that I have a problem with you, I just reacted to the idea of wanting to "egg things on". As you can see, I have some rabid individual tailing me around this board and at the very least sign of defensiveness I get a blizzard of personal insult hurled at me.  The words fanatic, zealot, and jesus freak have all been used on this thread...none of these by me, however, I seem to be the criminal around here! They can have it, but I have no beef with you.  Deal?   ::cheers::

 



[ This Message was edited by: Carmel on 2003-04-25 06:54 ]

[chinrse23]

Oh NO!  This isn't going to turn into a PETA/vegetarian debate is it?
 :grin:

[Anonymous]

On 2003-04-25 06:52:00, Carmel wrote:

"Anyway, I dont want to give you reason to think that I have a problem with you, I just reacted to the idea of wanting to "egg things on". As you can see, I have some rabid individual tailing me around this board and at the very least sign of defensiveness I get a blizzard of personal insult hurled at me.'

 You are not innocent of hurling insults little Miss Carmel,
That is the first thing you did to one girl when she came to these boards.(BTW this is not her) [Quote: "her views are fucked up, she's a communist" I can't believe no-one else has spoken out about it. But I guess I'm guilty of that too. I've been watching you do it. For a while you ?took a step back,? so you put it, even though I didn't notice much difference. Then you started hi-jacking every post that girl tried to make. Try to deny it. It is in the hard drive of this web-site. Read um. I?m amazed you didn?t drive her away. What amazes me the most about you is your entire ?crusade? was to defend an anon who?s views were about people like yourself. And Jesus.

 If something makes you sick to read, the respectable thing to do is to not comment, isn't that correct? You were "egging" In the FAVORITE THINGS post, (I mean please!) And insulting comments made in an apology post that you didn't belong in to begin with, ?bigmouse? I think it was. Not to mention others. So you DO egg. What the heck is your problem with that girl anyway? All I?ve seen her do to you is tell you to leave her alone each time you attack her. And she chose the words "fuck off," the last time, so what?
Tell me you?ve never told someone to fuck off that deserved it before? Harass someone until they break, then laugh at them for it. That is just super, where did you learn to do that from? What gives you the right to treat someone else with such disregard? I just don't get some people. Grow up already.

 Meanwhile, I have seen others come and go.  Arrive, get made fun of or not accepted, get put down, put off, attacked and they leave. I wonder about those people. What happens to these way wards when they disappear? The one?s YOU don?t seem to care about. I will admit, you are not the only one that does this on these boards. But I have not seen any other person take it to the extreme of tactlessness that you have. Nag. With the exception of what went on recently with Ms Bright. Not on the Straight board anyway. People who post here reaching out for help is common. Why don't you take the time to care? Instead if turning a blind eye or ripping on others who try to give positive or helpful feedback. Try reading all of BIGfrank?s posts sometime. The ENTIRE threads. Aren't we are all sensitive enough to embarrassment and humiliation? Are you really such an ice queen? I sincerely hope not.

There's no "rabid individual" here, just one guy that's sick of people that don't care who they step on or hurt to get where they want to be. Like I said, I would love to meet you. Prove me wrong.  

A 'not-so-silent' observer

[Carmel]

hmmmm.....okay, taking into account your point of view...how about this.

How about I use phrases like ugly, bitch, twisted, psychotic, narcissistic, self absorbed?

How about I compare people to strippers, insult them with statements about their own children, use the words fuck off repeatedly.....shall I continue?

Would that be better?

[Anonymous]

Taken out of context those may sound bad, but that is how you actually act. You miss the point completely.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-04-25 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Taken out of context those may sound bad, but that is how you actually act. You miss the point completely. "

Sometimes I :idea:  "Should I take and stick a dick in the Anon icon's mouth". For the most part, it would seem that it's just apropos.

[Carmel]

Please explain to me how bitch and psycho can be taken out of context to "actually sound bad".....I am intrigued.

You know, forget it, you think I am Satan..fine, thats great.  We are never going to agree on this.  The bottom line is, I dont talk to people like that, not here not in reality.  I do use diplomacy and I try to have as much tact as possible.  I do not make underhanded insults about people's children or the way they look.  Thats bottom feeder material....if you find that to be acceptable,  well then we have marked exactly where it is that you and I differ, and there is no reason to argue further.  I owe you proof of nothing, my exchanges on this board have never contained that kind of insult.  (Here is where you come back with the witty reply of what OTHER kind of insult I HAVE used).

My whole situation with Morli started because I stood up for someone who was just trying to be honest, they were cut down like no one I had ever seen be cut down before.  She went and deleted the post, obviously because she saw something wrong with it and then still proceeded to jump all over me about it. When she came back with her apology to Anon, I thought it was too much, and instead of calling her every name in the book and insulting her family...I made a sarcastic statement that reflected what I thought.  Sue me for thinking.  

If you dont like what I have to say, dont read it, take your own advice, I left Morli alone and she is still prodding me every now and then....go take it up with her if it matters.

[Anonymous]

You are mistaken and still missing the point completely. You misunderstood that girl, and still do. How can you be so blind to the fact that it was you that started this with her in the first place? I believe some one has the right to delete their post. She did, AND apoligised, why relentlessly contine to harass with sarcasm and insults? You don't give a shit. That's why! That is sad. And you come across mean. You didn't care about a new person finding this board. You just want to be right. You are cold as ice.

Read Bigfrank's posts. The ENTIRE Threads.

[Anonymous]

I think the point is not that it is okay to name call. I think the point is CARING enough to not act like a sarcastic "*****" in the first place. Because sarcasm hurts just as much as foul language does. People cuss when they get angry, it's not unheard of. But when people say things that hurt others and never look back or even think it was wrong to begin with, that is horrible isn't it? Why is that okay?

[Anonymous]

You know what you two need? The forgiveness and love of Jesus!

 :grin:

[85 Day Jerk]

I don't care if it rains or freezes,
long as I got my plastic Jesus,
sitting on the dashboard of my car.

Comes in colors pink and pleasant,
glows in the dark, cuz it's irridescent,
carry one for when you travel far.

Get yourself a sweet Madonna,
comes with rhinestones sitting onna
pedestal of abalone shell.
Going ninety I aint scary,
cuz I've got the Virgin Mary,
assurin' me that I won't go to hell............

[ehm]

I have tried to explain that the post you keep mentioning was not written by me. I still apologised for my own post and admitted what it said in the apology. I did not insult your children, I insulted you. That was however, after you insulted me mind you, in a thread that wasto the anon anyway. At that point you had been "prodding" me for almost two months. I did not call you a "stripper" or say anything about the way your children look. I did not call you psychotic. I said, "the F word" and used the word bitch to address you. I was fed up.Sue me.  You were picking on me! You think that is okay to do? What is your problem with me? I found this place and boom! You're on me. Why? What did I do to you? I over reacted and apologized. (No-one else got raked over the coals for their comments to the anon.) You make fun of me with sarcasm, and ridicule and I'm just supposed to take it or ignore it? You seem to try to provoke a response from me. I don't want to fight. I've said that before. I don't. So what is it that is your problem with me? You don't know me. Maybe we would realize we have things in common if given a chance. I don't fight with my girlfriends ever. That is absolutely wrong! Jonathan and I have had some bad arguments, but we always end up talking and working them out and are closer for it. Stop treating me like I don't matter. Everyone matters. There is no reason in the world we should be enemies. Truce? I'm serious, this is ridiculous isn't it? Wouldn't it be nicer if we got along?
Morli