Help me, ----------, you're my only hope.

[teachback]

We must think of everything to ensure the personal safety of everyone! Just in case one of us is The Stalker.

You can't be too careful..  :scared:  8-)  ::bwahaha::

[Anonymous]

I knew it was you! Now Luis will believe me and I can prove Sheridan was just trying to make me look crazy! I knew you were real!

[Anonymous]

I really don't know how I'm supposed to defend myself against someone like Beth.  She exaggerates in order to frame herself as a victim.  I did kick her out of my house when I was good and drunk and I did grab her by the arm as she was walkin through my kitchen and yelled at her to get the fuck outta my house.  

 She showed up at my house unexpected and unannounced at about midnite on a thursday with her 4 dogs and a cat.  I took her in because I do care about her as a human being and a fellow survivor.  The week before she showed up at my house she sent me an e-mail stating that she no longer wanted to be my wife, my girlfriend or even my friend.  Previous to that she had been calling ceaselessly for weeks and leaving malicious and threatening messages on my machine which about 4 other people can verify.  One time I left my 10 year old daughter alone at home while I went to the store which is only about 2 blocks up the street.  During the 10 minutes or so that I was gone she called and left another crazy, threatening and demeaning message.  My daughter was standing right there listening to her.  When I got home my daughter was very unnerved and shaken by Beths words.  Despite all this, I took her in when she showed up.  I had the same feeling that Jerk had around her.  I couldn't trust her.  I felt very uncomfortable with her in my house.  She doesn't have basic respect for other people.  She was rude and selfish most of the time she was here and completely disrespected my very good friend, Bart, when I had to go see him and couldn't leave her alone in my house.  She asked to use his phone and then went on to swear up a real storm over his phone which made Bart real uncomfortable.  I had to apologize for her.  

I had to cancel plans with my daughter in order to host Beth.  Her behavior is so bizarre and inappropriate I didn't want to expose my daughter to her.  

She basically tried to come in here and take over my life.  She drove me to that drunken rage.

I am not an abusive prick.  I tried to help her despite all the abuse she has dished out on me.  By the time I threw her outta here, after 5 days, I was simply defending myself against an invader.  

All the favors she claims she was doin' for me like re-arrangin my house and doin my dishes were just her attempts to mark her territory.

I know she is either ill or desperate for attention.  Thats why I never held nothin against her personally, but I can only take so much.

By the way I never sided with Bob about any of this.

Now I'm not gonna get into re-hashin this shit over and over...I tried to help Beth but that is a fools work.  I may be a fool, but I aint an abusive prick.  

Beth, I wish you the best.

Uhm, no Todd, G told me you called her after I left and you didn't remember anything except that we had a fight. You had a blackout. It was NOT in the kitchen, it was upstairs!  :rofl:  It was real, you were violent, you were out of control raging in my face, grabbing my arm and pushing me down. I would think you were obscuring something by lying to me, but no, your attitude towards me is always the same: you had nothing to do with me getting hurt by you, it's always my fault. In reality, we had planned to get my car fixed that very morning so I could safely go down the road the next day. Heh heh. You and Bob are a pair. It just fine for you to abuse me after the fact with your misrepresentations. :rofl:

Mark my territory? You don't get me at all. You never have. Another good one, though, it fits right in with your raging gorilla routine. No wait, I think I see now! You were getting more and more pissed the cleaner your kitchen got! :rofl:

I guess I thought since you had showed up at my house, twice, uninvited and unexpected, it wouldn't be such a bad thing if I thought maybe you meant anything you ever said, and showed up at your house, uninvited and unexpected, except that you did invite me, more than once. But that never meant anything to you, just like many things you said to me never meant anything to you.

Really and truly, my bad for believing such lies, my bad for losing my temper over the phone at your endless games with my heart. I am very very sorry I ever let your opinion of me tear me up at all, ever. And really and truly, my bad, not yours, for scaring your daughter. I am very very sorry about that, and if it is my lot to be shamed in public, then lesson very much learned.

About twenty-one years ago I pulled a right hook out of a drunk nowhere and knocked my best friend's chain-jerker so hard he fell over. Heh heh. That's the extent of my record.

[Anonymous]

As for Todd, if he doesn't stop drinking and raging on people (I am not the first person he has physically attacked in a drunken rage with murderous threats), he will end up in prison. I think I know who you are, and I think I understand, or at least I used to understand, when you say "I see the God in you" to Todd. But godamn if I am going to take his insults on my character anymore. Fuck off with that, Todd. You taught me many lessons, and utter impatience with abuse is one of them. You strike me, I WILL strike back, and it will not be in person because I will never be near you again, you really did scare me that bad.

It sounds like he was defending his home and protecting his child to me. At least he actually let you inside, which was a huge error in judgment on his part, especially if you showed up unannounced and at midnight. Not to mention you already have a history of making threatening phone calls to him. I wouldn?t have even answered the door, but instead I would have called the police.

Beth, get rid of your animals and check yourself into a mental hospital before you hurt yourself or someone else. I mean this with all sincerity, and not as an insult as you had accused other people of using it in an earlier post. I truly believe that's how every person in this thread had intended it also.

Also, please stop calling me.

Huh? Is someone impersonating me? I have spoken to you exactly once in the past month or so. I left some messages on your machine in the few months before that asking for a couple of favors. I don't want to cause any stress for a pregnant woman, so I haven't called you because my life is a mess and you don't need any part of it. I am not in danger of hurting myself or anyone else, I just cuss a lot on the phone when I am talking to certain people, so I won't talk to them anymore. Lesson learned. Peace out, best wishes to you and yours.

[Anonymous]

Whatever Anne's problem with me is, I don't know. I don't hate her, I was talking about Fuck Off America and she thought I was someone else personally taking jabs at her. I understand. I also understand that she is the kind to jab back with extremely personal and immature insults like "selfish, spoiled, overprivileged brat", and the kind to not give a shit why I was on the road and why I wrote those posts in the first place. She has a house and a boat and a family, I have no one and I am pretty much homeless. Where she gets off hating on me, I don't care. Whatever with her, too.

She thinks that you (and someone else) had something to do with the spamming up of this forum; maybe that's it.

Beth, yes I thought it was someone else at first but that really had nothing to do with my original post in that thread about America the Grotesque.  I would have asked the question I did to anyone posting that.  I don't hate you and I believe it was an anon that called you spoiled, although I may have agreed.  Shit, I don't dare post anything good that's going on in my life.  No one wants to hear it and it seems like anyone who has been able to find a way to move on is suddenly suspect in your mind.

I hope you find whatever it is you're looking for.

Thanks. You're not suspect in my mind. Sorry we haven't yet come to a better understanding. Peace out, girl.

[Anonymous]

I won't use your name! LOL, again..........

So, to the OP-
 I LOL at the fact of you posting long explainitory posts about this and other stuff. And Yet it was YOU who use to bash me for posting about honest things I was going through and Asking for help or understanding. It was You who went on and on about " This isn't where to find help, if I needed it" and "These people don't care"  It was YOU who bantered me about sooooo many things. Welp, you know  what? What ever I posted here HELPED me, and that is all that matters. All my dreams of camping and living FREE, You made fun of! But I LOL, because WHO is it that IS living FREE now? Me, is who. Obvioulsy not you. I say get help not because it is the thing people say here... I say get help because everyone can benefit from some kind of supportive person or group.  See, you have used up the people's energy here, not many have anything more to give to you..... Which I do not fault them for. We all have our limits and it is obvious most have reached theres, including YOU. My limit was reached long ago with you and I never even let you get into my RL. I can not imagine what it's like to have to be on the phone with you, which apparently you have tried to do to every single person here (exchange phone numbers) After you say.... Don't trust anyone here, excpet yourself...so some people have fallen victim to your trap and exchanged numbers. It is YOU who collects peoples information here, You. It is You, you fear. You know what is possible, because of all the things you think about and then eventually you think someone MUST be doing these things (stalking) and well low and behold, YOU must be the target.... I'm w/ carmel on this, This is your ego.

See, does it really matter if someone is stalking you? Nope. Change what you can and forget the rest. Ok, be a little suspicious of everything, that's cool. so am I. BUT when it starts to destroy your life, find a new way to protect yourself. Your brain is Your and everyones worst ememy. Straight taught us that. After all the nasty crap you have posted to people, Your own guilt is destroying you. Your own insecurity and general unhappiness is killing you. That is sad, and the people here who do believe you are part of a larger group..... are telling you to get some help... I agree w/ them. And if not, try out RTPs thing.. I think it's a viable idea and may even use it in my owm life when I need to.

Don't forget, My beliefs are a little strange.. I do beleive we manifest what we think. I do believe you are manifesting what you believe. It's so obvious. All the Attetion you have brought to your self, all the people you freely give your # to.. all the people you have opened yourself to.. Why wouldn't you feel afraid? I would, hell I didnt exchange all that personal info.. and there were times when I felt weird. BUT NEVER have I thought so highly of myself that I KNEW I was the Target of a Straightlingstalker. That to me is very self centered... Who are you to think you consume so much of somenes time and energy? I highly doubt you are in fact the VICTIM of a stalker, but if you are...go to the police.... I am Sure they will find you Some HELP.. one way or another.

Remember? Fornits is not the place to find comapssion? You told me that yourself! So stop.... stop looking for attention from people you proclaim to not even respect. What does that say about yourself? You are asking people you have spent years bashing for help, ROFL... I LOL so much at that. You have used it all up... Until you give energy back into this circle, you will get none from it. Get it?

Now, close the window and Free yourself from this forum for awhile. It does wonders, I swear. Go in peace, EP. All I have ever wanted for anyone on this entire planet is some peace.

Oh yea, on the Pirate thing... I do not fault you for that. yes I can see how you could drive someone to drink.. But NEVER is it ok to threaten another, for any reason (excpet to physically defend yourself) And Thank you for..., well just Thank you. His moon sign(not specified due to personal reference), what can I say.. except I am not suprised, a little stunned, but not suprised. I divorced one not so long ago after 11 yrs. Just Thank You EP. alot.

Find some peace chica, it's out there. Go lose the world, find yourself... you can't be all that bad    I wasn't so bad, when I found myself again...

See this is what I mean by... Know when to hold em, know when to walk away, know when to run...

Stop running and try just slowly walking away... people tend to treat you like a walker then, not a runner

Sorry so long, I have tons to say to her though.... I think I bided my time and deserve a long post especially to Her....And fuck grammer and stuff.. I am in a hurry
~WD

True. I was bitter. I see your indian sari and your stones now. Peace.

[Anonymous]

Wait, i wasn't totally fair to Pirate, maybe.

I mean, I would expect that from someone of his sign.. it would be the natural reaction. Which in many cases is taken to the extreme. Which obvioulsy even in a drunken state he did not do. I mean, EP should have expected it from a man after all she had done at his house and previous to her spontanious arrivial. That does not make it ok, yes there was a better way of handleing it. But then EQ would be here posting about how He called the police..... and then that would be the very worst thing in her eyes.. So Pirate was in a loose/loose situation. I understand this and do not think it was wrong to kick her out. But when it came to having to touch or threaten her to get out.. The police or some outside party could have been called for assistance. Heh, Bygones..........

And Geesh... EP, don't you know when you have worn out your welcome? To the point of potential explosive words or actions? That is proof you are self centered and spoiled. heh. WTH do you think you are? To just show up in peoples real lives and expect to be accomidated w/o notice, I would have never let you in.

w/e, you all know I care deeply about you.. Even you EP, you know it too.

I am sorry Pirate, I didn't mean it to sound so bad, LOL.. But you know I have had my issues w/ your moon sign   But,  ::heart::  you despite it

~Free Love and Naked PeAcE~!  

Read my post to Todd if that is what you think. My car was f'ed up and we were going to take it to get fixed so I could get back on the road, he had already called his mechanic friend. I sure am embarrased about some of the rest. My bad for showing up at someone's house who had shown up at mine, twice, uninvited, the second time after crushing my heart for months on end, and I let him in, again! To crush my heart, again! Todd doesn't talk about all the things he has said to me, and he doesn't talk about what a player he is, he doesn't talk about the way he reels 'em in and kicks 'em, reels 'em in and kicks 'em. He doesn't talk about drunk raging on someone else. He doesn't talk about the other women he has used and trashed. My bad for expecting someone I thought was a true friend to let me in in a crisis situation. My bad for not letting everything he told me about himself to really sink in, and stay away from him.

What really pisses me off the most is that when he came to my house, I had to listen to that String Cheese shit over and over again, AND Joseph Campbell! But he hardly played any of my music when I was at his house! Talk about inhospitable. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

Let me tell you some weird things have been going on in my world as well!

For instance, I've been getting junk mail with coupons from local businesses... :exclaim:

Gives me the fucking creeps.... :scared:

HA! I tried to dl some spyware and got The Jetsons! And I couldn't even play it!  :rofl:

Cosmic kisses, baby.
::kiss::

[Anonymous]

It was an accident.. EQ/EP.. LOL..  And Vagittarius.. sounds like you may need a Dr....? Is that a disease.. lol. Some people are like Slinkys.. They are not good for anything.... except it makes you smile when you push them down the stairs ..... 8-)


Ok, I remember my PW, amazing!

I have to ask, is EP the only person from fornits who shows up at peoples homes? Makes threats?  Calls people obsessively or manipulates information from others? like phone numbers, dates and last names.. and stuff?

Cause she is the only person who actively tried to solicite info from me, and I know from others... Is it possible.. She is the stalker here (not realizing it of course)?  I have said that before, ironic she is saying she is being stalked..and it is always her who PMs new ppl and starts building her web...

Hi, Anne and Flygirl.. We have not offically met=) I don't visit often and rarely sign in when I do, cause i never remember my PW, lol. Sorry I rambled before, but I have so much to say to and about my experience w/ EP ( I don't use real names.. EP was her old username initials)

I do not always pm people. I haven't done anything with that website, and it was going to be done ethically, news articles accompanied by rebuttals from people who were in Straight at the time the executives lied about what was going on inside. At the time, I thought if I put together enough information, I could build a solid testimony of the truth about Straight, in rebuttal to the years of covered up child abuse.

As for stalking, I don't know where anyone lives except RTP I could find again. Heh heh.

[Anonymous]

String Cheese shit over and over again!

String Cheese RULES!

And in matters of the heart, many times we hear only what we want to hear and what feels good and choose to over look the things we don't like, even if they are staring us in the face. Usually we only  have ourselves to blame if we continue to pur ourself back in that same situation.  Just my personal observation on love. What the fuck is love anyway? Very hard to define. We're all searching for something and fail to realize we're all a bunch of fucked up human beings who have been severly traumatized in some way. Straight had an effect on every single one of us, some have a much hardter time dealing than others. I wouldn't even begin to judge a persons struggle.  All most of us want is peace, love, security  and understanding. Which proves even more  difficult when the person you are with is struggling with the same issues. I think it's much healthier to try to figure out yourself and solve some of your own issues rather then hoping that love or another person with the same problems will somehow make it all go away. I wish it were that simple.

I'm not speaking to anyone in particular, just in general.

Peace.

[Anonymous]

I think it is pretty rude for things this personal being discussed here in an open forum, without te consent of all parties involved. If you have a personal issue with someone, it was you who said : it should be discussed between the effected parties, not in public. What is so ironic here, is you are doing so many things to other people - you swear you would never do, and have complained so often about people doing to you. (sometimes, when no one was doing anything at all) I find it gross and selfish the way you seem to be  getting back at people. You are not the only one out here who has had a broken heart.

No one is out to get you B. And if he broke your heart over and over, fault yourself. Learn and move on.

[Anonymous]

So, G, how much you making off this soap opera?

[Anonymous]

I think it is pretty rude for things this personal being discussed here in an open forum, without te consent of all parties involved. If you have a personal issue with someone, it was you who said : it should be discussed between the effected parties, not in public. What is so ironic here, is you are doing so many things to other people - you swear you would never do, and have complained so often about people doing to you. (sometimes, when no one was doing anything at all) I find it gross and selfish the way you seem to be  getting back at people. You are not the only one out here who has had a broken heart.

No one is out to get you B. And if he broke your heart over and over, fault yourself. Learn and move on.

[85 Day Jerk]

The plot thickens---- after spending five days in at my place, the little "Magical Misery Tour" would have ended up FAR differently than a severely unstable woman heading along route 64 to disturb yet another unknowing Straight Veteran.
 
Poor little Beth could'nt and would'nt get off her whole bullshit Burlington Stalker Theater Drama Queen scenario long enough to realize that she had every tool at her disposal to start again fresh.
"Holy fucking Adulthood Batman!!!"  "Do you mean she could have actually set up her own domicile complete with a kitchen, bath, and four dog food bowls to wash each and every day?"

"Right you are chum, and she did'nt even have to take Bad Bob's word for it, why the goddamn realtor's phone number was on a sign outside next to the mailboxes."  "Holy dog-shit Batman!  what about her dogs?"  "Would they let her keep her dogs too?"  "No problem, Robin, she could drive to the office, explain her needs, and be given a couple of sheets of rental listings, hell if she found an address she liked, they would even hand her the keys to let herself in and check the whole place out."  "Golly gee, Batman, I wish I was there, I might of been able to talk her into it, and then I could have had a place to hang out and get stoned when I'm not out fighting crime."   "But Alas, Robin, this chick is more Bat-shit than the battiest Bat we ever encountered in the Batcave or in all our years of crimefighting."

"Holy Haliparidol, Batman, could I at least take her out for a few drinks and maybe loosen her up?"   "Hmm, remember old chum, when you got drunk with Catwoman and could'nt get her out of her suit and almost broke your Bat-a-wang in half trying to 'get some?'
"Well imagine that same night with an insane librarian instead!"
"Golly Batman, I guess I should just leave her to the good folks at Arkham Asylum instead."  "Good Choice Robin! let's go to Starbucks, it looks like it's gonna be a long night!"

See, I was like a broken toy to Beth, or one that needed fresh batteries.  When I would not play into or support her fantasy world of bullshit, I was no longer of any use to her.  I only spoke of GROWNUP things and that scared her.  I am sorry I scared you so much Beth, but you cannot fault me for this anymore than you can fault the sky for raining.  That is just the way things are.  Grow the fuck up, before the next hotel trash derelict takes you down a path you ain't prepared to travel.  You are also getting on my fucking nerves by describing me in ways that are not true.  I know that you only live @/$'s of a mile from StarBucks up in Burlington.
A ten year old kid on a bicycle could find your house in a matter of minutes.  You are as dumb as a box of rocks.  Hell, my parrot has more brains than you.  Grow up, Get Help, Realize The People Who Matter, and for Christs Sake, Get Some Professional Help, Take Your Meds and Stay On Them!!!!

[Anonymous]

I think it is pretty rude for things this personal being discussed here in an open forum, without te consent of all parties involved. If you have a personal issue with someone, it was you who said : it should be discussed between the effected parties, not in public. What is so ironic here, is you are doing so many things to other people - you swear you would never do, and have complained so often about people doing to you. (sometimes, when no one was doing anything at all) I find it gross and selfish the way you seem to be  getting back at people. You are not the only one out here who has had a broken heart.

No one is out to get you B. And if he broke your heart over and over, fault yourself. Learn and move on.

Whatever, Todd came on here and misrepresented me and I am sick of it. I'm standing up for myself.