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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2007, 08:14:05 AM »
No matter what facility it is he's still away from family, and outside his home, was my point.

So, why do you even say that when it is beside my point?
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2007, 08:23:15 AM »
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No matter what facility it is he's still away from family, and outside his home, was my point.

So, why do you even say that when it is beside my point?


you said unless they let him off campus...which shows that you didn't have any info on this particular place before you jumped on him...and as far as your point goes..I guess it's that you are right about everything and know so much more than anyone else even if your information is limited....whatever.
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« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2007, 08:37:49 AM »
Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.
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« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2007, 09:17:48 AM »
that is correct. I too have read enough reponses to parents asking for insight that were instantly slammed for poor parenting. The reality is I love my son more than anything and will do whatever is best for him....right now I'm trying to figure that out. I don't need to be told how to be a good father.

The post listing 5-6 steps to help your child at home was helpfull...the problem is we have done every single one of those things, includung a recent 5 day institutional stay for safety. He's miserable, frightened, angry,remorseful, vindictive, angry and in desperate need of professional help.

What I'm learning is that this problem is like catching a cloud...illusive and entirely inconclusive. One guy says."severe depression...take this.." the next guy says.." no..it's bipolar...take these..." the third guy ( hugely qualified from Duke Childrens Hospital) says..."it doesn't appear to be bipolar....looks like severe depression..."

Meanwhile my son is going through hell. His solution is to give me back my freedom and let me show you that I can make good decisions, etc...yet if he makes one miss-step he will likely go to jail.

While I respect everybody's right to an opinion, if your answer is to simply tell me that I suck...please don't.....
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« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2007, 09:32:03 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.


I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.
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« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2007, 09:47:43 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.



I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?
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« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2007, 09:52:24 AM »
Well, checking their website, and finding... damn near nothing specific or of any substance, I don't know what to say!

I would ask: Do they have teachers. Are they ACTUAL teachers or is this some sort of teach yourself from a book kind of thing.

I would also ask: What KIND of therapy is given? The page on therapy is extremely general and seems to be a case study of misleading vividness becuase it has tons of adjectives and no substance! Quote from the site is:

"We integrate the therapeutic process with every aspect of our school. The therapeutic relationship is a special one in which trust elicits open dialog and safety for the exploration of the deepest thoughts and feelings your child has. Our main modality is group and community therapy. It is innovative and promotes real change that happens inside and out.

Daily groups or therapy sessions give students the opportunity to discuss problems, learn how to handle conflict, and to explore new and better ways to process their feelings. Once these tools are acquired and internalized, the class-room, the dormitory, the dining room, and the gymnasium become living laboratories for practicing these skills."

Wow, buzz words +10. Hrm. Still too vague.

The "family" page starts to trouble me, though.

"Visiting Sundays are held once each month from 11 a.m. to 4 p.m. Before the first visit, parent must attend a New Parent Orientation." <- MUST attend orientation before seeing your kid? Uh, no. Once monthly visits is signifigantly better than the kind of visitation that most programs offer, but its still way too infrequent.

Naturally, you should be able to get your kid when you want, period, and if they try to threaten or whine or intimidate or spin around it, uh, fuck them, as it is YOUR child.

Another thing?

"All parents, step parents, and significant others are required to participate in one of our regional groups located throughout the US. These groups provide a supportive environment for parents to develop self-awareness, identify and confront dysfunctional behavior, and plan strategies for change within the family system. Participation in these monthly group meetings is mandatory. We reserve the right to terminate a family when the parents are unwilling to participate; however, we will never give up on your child. "

Sounds like a... SEMINAR. Ask about those and demand specifics!

"Dorm Life

Initially, boundaries and behavioral limits are foreign to many of our students. For that reason, our dormitories are highly-structured, allowing for positive peer support to help fellow students gain a sense of boundaries and the ability to accept the consequences of their actions."

Positive peer support? Is that a level system? Giving students control over other students? What?  :roll: Red flag... Also, get specifics on what that structure is.

The clip art all over the site making it look like a ClubMed... dude, if you knew to look on google earth for pics of the actual facility, you should know the pictures on the website are NOT representative of the facility itself nine times out of ten. It's freaking clipart and stock photographs!

I think the "our vision" page sums it up the best. "This can be a double-edged sword ? intelligence and creativity are often the common denominators in most manipulative students."

I would look elsewhere. This looks like just another joke preying on worried parents using lots of buzzwords and descriptive language without actually divuldging any specifics at all.

I'm sorry if you got your hopes up but at least now you know you asked first, right?
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« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2007, 09:55:26 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.


I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?


Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs.  :roll:
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2007, 10:09:42 AM »
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that is correct. I too have read enough reponses to parents asking for insight that were instantly slammed for poor parenting. The reality is I love my son more than anything and will do whatever is best for him....right now I'm trying to figure that out. I don't need to be told how to be a good father.

The post listing 5-6 steps to help your child at home was helpfull...the problem is we have done every single one of those things, includung a recent 5 day institutional stay for safety. He's miserable, frightened, angry,remorseful, vindictive, angry and in desperate need of professional help.

What I'm learning is that this problem is like catching a cloud...illusive and entirely inconclusive. One guy says."severe depression...take this.." the next guy says.." no..it's bipolar...take these..." the third guy ( hugely qualified from Duke Childrens Hospital) says..."it doesn't appear to be bipolar....looks like severe depression..."

Meanwhile my son is going through hell. His solution is to give me back my freedom and let me show you that I can make good decisions, etc...yet if he makes one miss-step he will likely go to jail.

While I respect everybody's right to an opinion, if your answer is to simply tell me that I suck...please don't.....



Bertc,

Just by you coming here it's obvious that you love your son very much. Your researching and asking questions which shows that you are not going to make a knee jerk decision that many frustrated parents make to place their children in places they actually know very little about.

Is there still a school in Sarasota called New Directions? My teenage boyfriend went there after being expelled from another school and getting into some serious trouble. It's a day school
 that caters toward kids who are having both emotional and academic problems and the kids really liked it there because they were not forced to conform as they are in public school, so they felt they were accepted and able to express themselves without being judged, which allowed them to concentrate more on their classes.

Try and not let some of the crap people say on this board get to you. NO ONE knows what is happening in your family but your family, so whatever decisions you make, will be the ones that are right for you all.
I wish you and you son the best and hope that you guys will find the solution and peace you need.
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« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2007, 10:22:27 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.


I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?

Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs.  :roll:


Fear mongering? What post were you referring to cause I didn't get any of that from what was written :roll:  :roll:
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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2007, 10:29:19 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.


I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.

So report him to the proper authorities, why turn to a mind rape mill? >YAWN<
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2007, 10:37:19 AM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.


I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
So report him to the proper authorities, why turn to a mind rape mill? >YAWN<



Hey if you're so tired go to bed then! Don't let us bore you
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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2007, 10:39:15 AM »
Shit, fuck.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2007, 10:42:34 AM »
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Shit, fuck.

Excellent point, Smithers!  ::bwahaha::
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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2007, 03:07:02 PM »
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Gee... I wonder if the parents who were stabbed to death  in New Jersey by their " troubled " son are glad they kept junior at home with them..instead of breaking that parent child bond.

I wonder if all the dead kids murdered at programs parents think the same thing. Or how about the parents who murder and beat their children?  Gee, didn't think of that did you.


I think the point here was that there may be circumstances and situations where removing a violent/dangerous child from the home is the only option. I'm not talking about kids skipping school and smoking pot here. This kid had a history of violence toward family members and yet they kept him there.
I'm sure the parents of children who have been murdered in various programs DO wish they had never sent them away...which is kinda the point . No one thing is right for everyone so to paint all situations with the same brush is just foolish...but you probably didn't that of that now did you?

Justify your fear mongering somewhere else Karen, not all teens are homocidal maniacs.  :roll:

Fear mongering? What post were you referring to cause I didn't get any of that from what was written :roll:  :roll:


The post I quoted!  :P Obviously we feel different about how that post makes us feel but it certainly felt like fear mongering to me. Also known as psychological manipulation, trickery and/or dishonesty.
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