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« Reply #31 on: January 08, 2007, 07:29:27 PM »
I see why some here get so easily frustrated with parents... Their like a broken record....
I'm not to familiar with HLA but from what I've read it seems to be like every other abusive program. I find it funny how every parent says "My kid hated it at first but now they love it and feel that it's saved their life" This statement could be made by any st8/thayer/tranquility bay/insert-program-name/ parent. I have a question for any former HLA students:
  • Do they punish you for saying anything negative about the program?
and to the parents:
  • Does HLA tell you that any complaint or abuse allegations is just manipulation and should not be taken seriously?

I know that the lawsuit is mainly about unqualified staff and the intake of kids that pose a threat to the safety of other students, but reading certain survivor statements leads me to believe that this place is psychologically abusive. I honestly wouldn't expect anything else being that HLA employs unqualified staff, it's like a butcher preforming heart surgery.
Regardless of my opinions I do hope that the parents who posted their support for HLA will take a really good objective look at HLA before writing off any complaints as lies.
Also if any one knows where I can get the cliff-notes on HLA please post a link or something.
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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2007, 07:33:26 PM »
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I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2007, 07:51:26 PM »
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what we or at least I find ironic is that you claim to be a full time mom, yet you shipped your kid off to a warehouse. Tough job for you huh?



Sometimes it is nice to take a different view on things.  Lets say you are a full time mechanic and your son/Daughter is going for a long trip and has a 1991 Ford Taurus.  Being a loving father you spend a few nights maybe putting on new brakes, tuning it up, maybe upgrading the tires and getting the alignment dead nuts and the car is mint.  But as you drive it around you hear a clicking sound coming from the transmission. Transmissions are not your expertise so you have a choice
1) Let it go and hope for the best or
2) Ship it off to someone who knows more about transmissions and have it looked at.

Question:  If you chose option # 2 does this make you a lousy mechanic and a bad parent?   or just a bad mechanic   Hmmmm......  makes one think
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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2007, 07:57:52 PM »
Karen likes to compare her kid to a dog in her analogies. Your kid is a car. Says a lot about you guys.
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« Reply #35 on: January 08, 2007, 08:00:17 PM »
Hmmm...I remember taking my car to a transmission "specialist" who kept claiming he had the problem fixed, but the car still ran like shit.  I took it twice more, still ran like shit.  Turns out the guy didn't know jack about the problems, and I had to sue him.  At least my car didn't die
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« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2007, 08:21:59 PM »
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Hmmm...I remember taking my car to a transmission "specialist" who kept claiming he had the problem fixed, but the car still ran like shit.  I took it twice more, still ran like shit.  Turns out the guy didn't know jack about the problems, and I had to sue him.  At least my car didn't die


Ha,Ha,  but the point is you had the foresight to know you couldnt fix it so you took it to someone else who you thought could.  So does that make you a bad person?  No. In hind sight, yes, you made a poor choice in who you took it to, maybe you should have done more research.  But the car needed work .... something needed to be done that you couldnt do... thats what can be accomplished here!!!!   Expose the bad transmission people and pass along the ones that were successful !!!
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« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2007, 08:24:58 PM »
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what we or at least I find ironic is that you claim to be a full time mom, yet you shipped your kid off to a warehouse. Tough job for you huh?


Sometimes it is nice to take a different view on things.  Lets say you are a full time mechanic and your son/Daughter is going for a long trip and has a 1991 Ford Taurus.  Being a loving father you spend a few nights maybe putting on new brakes, tuning it up, maybe upgrading the tires and getting the alignment dead nuts and the car is mint.  But as you drive it around you hear a clicking sound coming from the transmission. Transmissions are not your expertise so you have a choice
1) Let it go and hope for the best or
2) Ship it off to someone who knows more about transmissions and have it looked at.

Question:  If you chose option # 2 does this make you a lousy mechanic and a bad parent?   or just a bad mechanic   Hmmmm......  makes one think


Wait.... in this example you would be sending the car off to someone qualified to fix it, not so in a "program" that hires unqualified staff and intakes kids with problems they can't fix....
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  • Butcher preforming heart surgery=Most programs
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« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2007, 08:26:59 PM »
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Hmmm...I remember taking my car to a transmission "specialist" who kept claiming he had the problem fixed, but the car still ran like shit.  I took it twice more, still ran like shit.  Turns out the guy didn't know jack about the problems, and I had to sue him.  At least my car didn't die

Ha,Ha,  but the point is you had the foresight to know you couldnt fix it so you took it to someone else who you thought could.  So does that make you a bad person?  No. In hind sight, yes, you made a poor choice in who you took it to, maybe you should have done more research.  But the car needed work .... something needed to be done that you couldnt do... thats what can be accomplished here!!!!   Expose the bad transmission people and pass along the ones that were successful !!!



That really doesn't help when you are dealing with kids, a car is a car. You can always get another car. Your car won't hate you for making bad decisions or totaling it. Using a car as an example is just another thing that you can't compare to your flesh and blood. Please get your head out of your ass before posting next.

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« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2007, 08:33:47 PM »
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what we or at least I find ironic is that you claim to be a full time mom, yet you shipped your kid off to a warehouse. Tough job for you huh?


Sometimes it is nice to take a different view on things.  Lets say you are a full time mechanic and your son/Daughter is going for a long trip and has a 1991 Ford Taurus.  Being a loving father you spend a few nights maybe putting on new brakes, tuning it up, maybe upgrading the tires and getting the alignment dead nuts and the car is mint.  But as you drive it around you hear a clicking sound coming from the transmission. Transmissions are not your expertise so you have a choice
1) Let it go and hope for the best or
2) Ship it off to someone who knows more about transmissions and have it looked at.

Question:  If you chose option # 2 does this make you a lousy mechanic and a bad parent?   or just a bad mechanic   Hmmmm......  makes one think



Cindy is back!  Let's reflect on old times and once again tear apart your stupid analogy.

After having noticed the transmission problem you state to then be faced with two choices, either ignore the problem or send it to someone who knows more about the issue than you and try and get it repaired.

This makes sense and the wise and logical course of action would be of course to send it to someone who knows more on the matter than you do.

Here's the thing though Cindy:

You want to make sure the guy you're sending your daughters car to knows what the hell he is doing. You analogy would seem to suggest that we all advocate ignoring kids who have problems. You won't find many who take that position on here Cindy, of course you're an idiot and would never acknowledge that.

Sticking with your analogy how would you feel if after sending your daughters car to this guy who claimed to be a professional you discovered that he had done no work whatsoever on the vehicle? Or perhaps he made the situation worse? Maybe he even damaged the car and made it unsafe for your daughter? He won't give you your money back and he says he'll sue you to no end if you try and tell people the truth about him. What would your response be Cindy?

That's where we're at, the mechanic did shoddy work yet wants to be credited with having fixed the car.
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« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2007, 08:35:59 PM »
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But the car needed work .... something needed to be done that you couldnt do... thats what can be accomplished here!!!! Expose the bad transmission people and pass along the ones that were successful !!!


That is what we do idiot, you just refuse to accept that any of these places (espically HLA, which you still know nothing about) are in way shape or form bad. This despite all facts to the contrary.
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« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2007, 08:38:29 PM »
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That really doesn't help when you are dealing with kids, a car is a car. You can always get another car. Your car won't hate you for making bad decisions or totaling it. Using a car as an example is just another thing that you can't compare to your flesh and blood. Please get your head out of your ass before posting next.

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Its call an analogy?.  I think we are all aware the car is made of metal and people are not, you can scream at a car and it feelings will not get hurt.  You can fill a person with gasoline and they will die.  It was a decision making analogy on why people make decisions and if they are warranted or baseless.  Try to follow along???
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« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2007, 08:40:56 PM »
Cindy are you really going to question another posters intelligence? There are a number of examples I could bring up to show everyone just how truly dumb you are. Stick to the topic and remain respectful or I'll shame you to the point that you have to run away and hide again.
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« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2007, 08:52:05 PM »
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You want to make sure the guy you're sending your daughters car to knows what the hell he is doing.

Exactly!!  So at least we agree the car needs work !!  6  months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing?..I take back an early statement that people haven?t grown?. I agree with you we need to do our homework before getting help for our kids.

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You analogy would seem to suggest that we all advocate ignoring kids who have problems. You won't find many who take that position on here Cindy, of course you're an idiot and would never acknowledge that.

My analogy would, yes, a majority of posters, here on Fornits use to suggest that doing nothing was the best course of action for kids who were in trouble.

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Sticking with your analogy how would you feel if after sending your daughters car to this guy who claimed to be a professional you discovered that he had done no work whatsoever on the vehicle? Or perhaps he made the situation worse? Maybe he even damaged the car and made it unsafe for your daughter? He won't give you your money back and he says he'll sue you to no end if you try and tell people the truth about him. What would your response be Cindy?

That's where we're at, the mechanic did shoddy work yet wants to be credited with having fixed the car.
 


Sue the pants off the bastards !! and expose them,  I agree !!  But lets not keep the car in the driveway with a cover over it, lets get it fixed.  Let us do better research and have someone else look at it.
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« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2007, 08:56:49 PM »
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6 months ago you wouldn?t agree the car needed fixing


See, it's rhetorical bullshit like this that makes everyone here so God damn sick of you.

The kid was never the one with the problem.

The analogy would be more akin to sending your car to a drunken bum operating out of some back-alley lot, because you're a blind driver and convinced your car is to blame for your frequent traffic accidents.
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