Behavioral Problems Alternatives

[Karass]

So overprotective parents are to blame for programs like WWASPS?  :roll: I am not convinced in the slightest.

Well I don't know what kind of morons send their kids to a WWASPS program, but as for The Programs in general, yes, I think a lot of it is overprotective or at least over-worried parents who fall in the upper middle class income brackets. (sidebar -- I have been told that WWASPS are among the least expensive programs, if that tells you anything).

I hope the Guest was wrong who basically said 20% caring parents and 70% just want to get rid of a problem kid. It's just hard for me to imagine that so many parents are indifferent about their kids.

If you read ST enough (difficult though that may be) I think you will see a pattern of genuinely loving, caring parents who are absolutely clueless about what to do with their 'problem' kids. Many of them even fall in the over-protective mama bear category. Many or most of them were not 'problem' kids when they were teens -- I definitely was, and as karma would have it, my oldest is a chip off the old block -- so they don't even have a frame of reference except the distorted b.s. they get from the media and the War On Drugs hype (a.k.a. the War On Teens). They really do mean well and want what they think is best for their kids, and they definitely don't want to pay someone to do nasty things to their kid that they themselves are unwilling to do.

Notice that ST overall is very anti-WWASPS. That's called "Marketing." Selling upscale "soft" programs to upscale "soft" parents, who only want what's best for their kid and don't have enough street smarts to know when they're being conned.

[Anonymous]

Selling upscale "soft" programs to upscale "soft" parents

Most accurate and succinct way I've heard ST described yet. :tup:

[Nihilanthic]

There is a study showing families that have dogs instead of cats live much healthier lives.

Screw you, mary. I'm a cat person.  

Oh wait, I went to a program. hmmmmm...

I don't think the problem is the program so much as being so gay as far as cats go, girlfriend.

Well, I was inferring that since I came from a cat household instead of a dog one, the family was less healthy, and I thusly ended up in a program. As opposed to the program making me a cat person.

But yes, you're right, being a fag makes me a cat person also, and since one of the possible reasons I was sent to a program was because I was a fag, you can essentially, blame the fucking cat for that, too.

I don't even know what the fuck I'm trying to say anymore, except that somehow, this all goes back to gay cats.

This particular discussion has officially run its course.

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[69]

Going after WWASPS is like the straw man used by every goddamn program nowadays. They are the easy and largest target. Hey look -- we are better than wwaspies, like that's something to be proud of!  :rofl: It's a good scam.

It really is the same ideology just a different level of implementation. In theory wwasps schools should not be as horrible as they are, but it still happens anyways. Maybe its economics. I thought 3-4 granda  month per kid was plenty to keep from having to put them in abusive conditions, but aparently not.

Is wwasps really looked down upon within this teen help community? If every family here as rich as karens? I guess I came from more of a regular class family. My dad had to use my college fund savings bond left by my grandparents to pay for the private program and I think he even referred a kid to pay for my last month. And when I got home our house was gone the bank took it. But I was gone anyways so it didn't matter.

Of course I will always have mixed feelings about program parents. Only you guys know in your head what's up and whether you did all you could, etc. I sent letters home and explained it pretty well.. and nothing.. so I have a pretty good idea of what was up.

We were not a perfect family that got duped by a program... this was an end of the road type of thing. Last chance to save our relationship. Instead of was the preverbial stake in the heart.. if youwill.

[exhausted]

I don't doubt that at all. Not saying you should completely quit your job when you have children either. However, what do you expect from children who come up going straight into day care, are given a key to get in the house after school, and have anemically low levels of parental involvement on just about all levels?

Remember.. kids are an open vessel.. they start learning how to behave from the very day they are born. If you are subcontracting their raising during their formative years you completely disregard your parental responsibilities.

The ongoing process of acculturating a child is soley the responsibility of the parents. The parents decide, for the most part, what, who, where, when, and how their child recieves their mental stimuli. Throwing their kid in front of the TV rather than teaching them to read hardly is an appropriate method of parenting. Sending them to a day care rather than teaching Jr. how to shoot a bb gun hardly is an appropriate method of child care.

So no I am not talking about not working all together. I am talking about adjusting your schedule or even your choice of professions so that it allows you the time to spend more time raising your children.

Agreed, when mine were little (babies - toddlers) I worked part time, they went to nursery school as I didn't want them with a child minder, i wanted them in education, fun time, play time from the start, so that's what i did, I'd personally go pick them up and then we'd go swimming or picnicking in the park or something,  as they got older, i went into full time work, this did mean they had to let themselves in, I'd put out sandwiches and fruit or crisps for them which meant they had an hour and a half before I came home from work, this was working really well as they did homework, the odds chores that were laying about and quite often they'd get dinner on the go ready for me to finish when I got home, all of a sudden there was a big change and everyone refused to do anything, I'd come home & find the place trashed, the kids out causing trouble on the street etc and so I left my job to work from home, not everyone has that choice - it hasn't made any difference though

I really wish I could poinpoint what exactly happened when everything went tits up - I've done nothing but think on it for about 18 months now and I just can't find one thing or even a combination of things that started this behaviour off except for they all became another year older  :-?

[hanzomon4]

@exhausted, let me tell ya.... Everyone that knows me would have nothing but good things to say about me. I was doing great in till 2001. I've always suffered with Tourette's Syndrome(TS) but it never caused me any serious problems. In 2001 it mutated into a very debilitating form of OCD. What I didn't know at the time was that a serious bout of clinical depression was just around the corner.

Basically I was downhill from that point on. I missed alot of school, couldn't get out of bed.... I basically was a non-functioning human being. The hopelessness of depression allowed me to be very destructive.. self-destructive... By 2002 I was stealing my mom's pain meds, eating aerosol cans like skittles, cutting, thinking suicide, and all of that troubled-teen stuff. I went from normal to fucked up in less then a year and nothing in my environment caused it.

My mom took me to doctors who gave me meds that made things worse,... I'll just say that SSRIs can make a person violent. Anyway, I had to go into a public school "home school" program were I would meet with teachers at the local library because I was to sick to attend regular school. The next school year things started fine but soon went straight to hell. This all came to a climax when my mom mistook my cutting for a suicide attempt(maybe it was a suicide attempt, I'm not really sure) and sent me to the hospital psych ward. I was only there for a day because we both realized that they had no intention of treating me(The Doctor calls my mom, says nothing about me, and ask her about his cell phone bill, she worked for sprint).

I continued in this fucked up state for the rest of high-school(2 more years) and about a year after. Then suddenly in early 05(?) I snapped out of it, I was back to normal... sort of.. I'm still in a low-grade depression most of the time but I can function. I'm not tying to say that your kid/s are mentally ill, but what I am saying is that your kid/s are probably facing something that they can't even identify. That's usually the case when kids change all of a sudden. I've read some of your other post and you sound like my mom, you're sticking with your kid/s no matter what. This worked out great for me and your kid/s will(and probable already do) appreciate it. So trust me those "tits"[/b] will be pointing down in no time

[exhausted]

Hey I'm 40 next month, the tits are already pointing down (it gets us all in the end)

I'm pretty sure the boys are going to turn out okay, a mother's instinct I suppose tells me it's rough ride but it'll be over one day, I just worry so much about the here and now, especially with the 14 year old, it seems like he has the next 2 years to really shape up or he'll be on a road he can't walk back on and i seem to be helpless to do anything about it.....it makes me so sad because I love them with all my heart and don't want to see this path of destruction happen

Maybe you should read this particular post to your mum, she may have something to say on it as she's been there with you, I don't know, but right now I feel helpless and afraid for my family

No tit pics TSW (perve)  

[hanzomon4]

Yeah sure, I'll talk with her about it......

[Anonymous]

Well you know the old adage, there are no bad kids only bad parents.

[exhausted]

ops: sorry to dissapoint

get over it