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« on: January 01, 2007, 01:41:37 PM »
I am the parent of a current HLA student who has a serious addiction problem.  We tried everything we knew about---multiple therapists, local programs, meetings, various consequences, discipline,etc., but still he managed to use whatever he could get his hands on---we just could not get him to stop using, so since he is a minor I felt it was our responsibility as parents (we are divorced and have not always agreed on appropriate action) to keep him safe and try to stop his substance abuse even though he was not a willing participant.  Over the last two years he has been at two wilderness programs (both fabulous I thought---the therapists and staff far superior from what I've seen at therapeutic schools) another school,  which I was not very impressed with, but he came home at Christmas last year (against his therapist's recommendation), ran away to miss the plane back and then managed to convince his father to let him stay home.  He hated this other school and when I visited HLA I thought it would be much better (both were recommended by a consultant who seemed to be ethical and knowledgable).  Well, he hates HLA even more than the other school he says, and he tells us all sorts of negative things, including that he obtains and sells various substances there.  What makes this more difficult is that my child often lies and it is hard to discern what is truth and what is said in an effort to get back home.  We have told him he is not coming home until we feel that he has addressed hid substance abuse issues and we feel he isn't a danger to himself and others.  I asked him if there is another school he thinks would be better and he suggested Hyde.  I looked briefly at some of the Hyde postings and got the impresion that there are serious issues there---it didn't strike me as a good alternative.  So my question to those of you have knowledge about these things---is there another place that would be a good alternative for a 17 year old (just had  his bday) who needs serious substance abuse help.  He says the only place he really felt good about and supported by peole who really wanted to stop using was a local 30+ day program for adults which he ran away from and was eventually kicked out of for multiple instances of using.  We don't know if they would take him back and aren't sure it makes sense since we already tried it and failed.   He needs a place where he really can't get drugs and alcohol.  Is it in fact possible that he has such easy access at HLA?  Its very hard to know what to believe.  I have been reading the postings on this site and others for some time (I didn't know about them before we sent him to HLA) and a lot of what I read worries me, as well as the allegations in the law suit.  But I know that allegations are just that, they may or may not be true and some of them and the other issues dissected here and elsewhere  pale in comparison to the issues and concerns I have as the parent of a son who would surely self destruct if we let him (let me just say he has taken huge risks with his health and safety for himself and his family.  I think I understand some of the issues the people on this site complain about---certainly there is a lot to complain about at most of the schools and programs and I'm sure there are parents who overreact and send there kids away when they don't need to, but I really believe that the majority of them only do it when they have tried everything else and failed. I don't believe that most parents want to get rid of their troublesome teenagers, most of them, like us, would give most anything to be able to have their kids home with them. If you are at a point where you believe your child's health and safety are at risk then sending them away can be an act of love, not bad parenting.  Sorry to have rambled so long, I would appreciate feedback as to the liklihood of truth of access of drugs at HLA and better alternatives, if there are any. Thank you all very much in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2007, 01:46:51 PM »
Your efforts at self-justification for sending your kid away to be abused have been



Please kill yourself immediately.

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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2007, 02:06:13 PM »
Milk,
   Thank you for your lovely reply.I'm not sure what kind of help you need but you surely haven't gotten it.  I'm truly sorry if you had terrible experiences and hate your parents (and others for that matter) but that does not give you the right to pass judgment on parents who are struggling  to do their best.  The background I provided was not meant to be justification but background info.
Its likely a waste of effort to try to get through to someone as cold and heartless as you appear to be. Your parents have probably said this to you, but I can't resist---it would be so fitting for you to have a troubled child of your own some day. Good luck with that.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 02:24:39 PM »
panther- I tried to send you a private message but wasn't able to. If you want to contact me, perhaps we can discuss some ideas.
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« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2007, 02:31:20 PM »
Panther, it appears that the allegations concerning readily avaiible access to both drugs and alcohol at HLA are true. When I was a student there (several years ago) it happened but not near to the apparent degree it occurs today. With that in mind HLA may not be the best environment for your son.
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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2007, 02:51:44 PM »
the allegations of drug use/abuse and availability are very much the truth in a lot of the situations...
as a prior staff member, i have seen incident reports of students who have "cheeked" their medications and "sold" them to other students...since they don't have money...or are not supposed to (but most do) they will sell them for all sorts of things...toiletries, food, money, favors, silence, etc...
students also have ways of bringing drugs onto campus AND procuring them at the meetings, etc that they go to in town...
hopefully the other poster was able to discuss some alternatives for you and your child...i am sorry for your frustration and i hope that you and your family can find some peace regarding this...oh and another thing...i hope you didn't pre-pay his stay at HLA cause most likely you will not see your refund and will have to pay even more if you try to sue to get your money back...sorry, but that is also the truth...ask other parents who have tried recently...
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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2007, 05:16:36 PM »
Sounds like a functioning prison economy.
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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 12:12:03 AM »
I give it..

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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 12:18:22 AM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
Sounds like a functioning prison economy.


Exactly.
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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2007, 01:50:17 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
Your efforts at self-justification for sending your kid away to be abused have been



Please kill yourself immediately.

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what an asshole thing to say. another human reaches out thier hand for help and you slap it away, and play it off as a joke. what an arrogant thing to do. the concerned mother was looking for some help, and instead of being a good representitive of fornits and offering a solution, you ignorantly and apathetically crack off a sarcastic and self pitty-ridden reply. get over your shit and concentrate on doing some good, instead of bringing everyone down with you.
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« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2007, 02:40:36 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
Your efforts at self-justification for sending your kid away to be abused have been



Please kill yourself immediately.

Thanks,

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what an asshole thing to say. another human reaches out thier hand for help and you slap it away, and play it off as a joke. what an arrogant thing to do. the concerned mother was looking for some help, and instead of being a good representitive of fornits and offering a solution, you ignorantly and apathetically crack off a sarcastic and self pitty-ridden reply. get over your shit and concentrate on doing some good, instead of bringing everyone down with you.


You do a shitty job at trying to guilt-trip people. If you don't like what we say, why do you read this forum in the first place? Please, keep the stupidity to a minimum...

-FLCLcowdude
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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2007, 09:20:37 AM »
Quote from: ""FLCLcowdude""
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penalty""
Your efforts at self-justification for sending your kid away to be abused have been



Please kill yourself immediately.

Thanks,

Fornits management


what an asshole thing to say. another human reaches out thier hand for help and you slap it away, and play it off as a joke. what an arrogant thing to do. the concerned mother was looking for some help, and instead of being a good representitive of fornits and offering a solution, you ignorantly and apathetically crack off a sarcastic and self pitty-ridden reply. get over your shit and concentrate on doing some good, instead of bringing everyone down with you.

You do a shitty job at trying to guilt-trip people. If you don't like what we say, why do you read this forum in the first place? Please, keep the stupidity to a minimum...

-FLCLcowdude



i wasn't trying to guilt trip. i was trying to be honest. we're all about the truth here aren't we? sorry if my "stupid" reply was too much for you to handle, but then again, i wasn't the one telling another to commit suicide.
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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2007, 05:43:24 PM »
Me neither, so don't give me any hookie dookie bullshit...
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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2007, 09:39:22 PM »
Quote from: ""TS Waygookin""


I can assure you this person doesn't speak for the real management here at fornits. That person being Ginger.


Rather tasteless that you invoke Ginger's name, no matter how indirectly, in one of your nasty little comments.


Thank you! I've been plagued w/ various comp/comm problems here lately. Thanks for having my back.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2007, 10:15:07 PM »
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If you are at a point where you believe your child's health and safety are at risk then sending them away can be an act of love, not bad parenting. Sorry to have rambled so long, I would appreciate feedback as to the liklihood of truth of access of drugs at HLA and better alternatives, if there are any. Thank you all very much in advance.

My heart goes out to you, Panther.

Please don't take this the wrong way. At the risk of rambling on a bit myself I'll try to explain myself well enough to sidestep most of the popular misconceptions.

First, even though I think that sending your kid away is one of the most horribly damaging things you can do, I'm not mad at you for it and not judging you for it. My own parents, who I love and respect, made the same mistake... 6 times! And that's just what it was; not a crime or intentional harm, just a monumental mistake.

The nature of that mistake is what I'm interested in talking about these days. As you're starting to figure out, there probably isn't a place on the planet save for an Amish settlement or some such, where you can send someone to keep them away from drugs. And even at that you'd have to be ok with exposure to alcohol and tobacco as the Amish are.

And I think it's not a personal, individual mistake so much as it is a tragic misconception deeply rooted in our culture. See, drugs have been with us always. Never mind the latest wave of fear-mongering from the drug warriors. These new drugs are not a lot different from the old ones. We just keep coming up w/ new and interesting manufacturing techniques and distribution and consumption fads.

Addiction or substance abuse is not a disease. There is no 'treatment' or cure for it. People tend to over-indulge in various euphorics and anelgesics when they hurt a lot. I have no idea what may be bothering your kid and, odds are, he/she can't quite put a finger on it either. But believe me when I tell you that, regardless of the need for independence that most teenagers feel, being sent off by your parents is NOT helpful.

Now about that cultural misconception. This runs deep and wide. It's one of those concepts that's become so thoroughly accepted... well, let me fall back on some old and well an well tried wisdom here:

Quote from: ""thomas paine""
Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages,
are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour;
a long habit of not thinking a thing WRONG, gives it a superficial
appearance of being RIGHT, and raises at first a formidable outcry
in defense of custom.  But the tumult soon subsides.
Time makes more converts than reason.


Drugs are not that dangerous. They're dangerous, sure. But not AS dangerous, nearly, as withholding natural familial love and affection.

You ARE the world's foremost expert on your kid. There is no other, there's no professional who's better able than you to help your child figure things out. Even though you've fucked up (harsh, I know, but we all really have, it's inevitable) and sometimes feel like a completely lost loser as a parent (join the club, we all do sometimes) you're still one of maybe five people (counting in chosen mentors and other family) who can really help just by simply accepting the kid unconditionally so he or she can rest and sort things out.

Please don't ever underestimate that. That's all my dad did to help me through and I don't think he even knew how important it was. After the whole program thing when I didn't turn into a heroin addicted street walker as they told him I would, he just gave up trying to figure me out and went back to being happy to see me when I turned up.... just being a dad, that's all. I can't explain how that helped, it's not asif he payed my way or gave me any grand wisdom about my problems. We didn't talk about my problems or our past problems or anything. He just was the one person in the world who, no matter what, I knew he'd be happy to see me and always on my side. There is no substitute for that.
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