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« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2006, 09:07:54 PM »
Lets face facts. The staff that remains might very well be the only thing HLA owns outright.
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« Reply #46 on: December 16, 2006, 09:16:30 PM »
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The kids are great, they lie, everyone lies dude or has in the past.  They are young and entitled so they lie now more than ever but that doesn't take away from the fact that they are still great kids and growing up.  Dishonesty and resistance is like their hallmark problem coming into the facility...? I don't know how an investigation is anything but that, an investigation.  You can file a suit against anyone, or write anything you want or make whatever claim I want you to get people to visit your campus.  I honestly don't know what claim in particular you are curious about that a kid "came forward" with but im guessing that is what the investigation will examine, right? I know everyone who works or worked at RCI and they are better on so many levels than any staff I have worked with in a state regulated/licensed facility...this is a different level of service than is publicly available...what are you shooting for here, an error free organization.



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« Reply #47 on: December 16, 2006, 09:22:15 PM »
These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking.  What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted.  We are not a hospital.  We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues.  Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.
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« Reply #48 on: December 16, 2006, 09:25:23 PM »
Mr. Think People, what is your name?
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« Reply #49 on: December 16, 2006, 09:37:26 PM »
Are you going to sit there and try and honestlee claim that the level of violent incidents is less than the average public school? I'd love to see some stats to back up this claim. Would you care to provide an honest comparison.

In the meantime since you finally stepped up to the plate and answered the questions (as dishonest as they may have been) I've got some more for you:

Why did HLA resist the ongoing investigation from ORS? Namely why was ORS forced to return to campus with a court order? If HLA has nothing to hide why wouldnt they simply allow the investigators the information they were seeking?

Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?

Has HLA hired a nurse yet?
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« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2006, 09:47:15 PM »
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Are you going to sit there and try and honestlee claim that the level of violent incidents is less than the average public school? I'd love to see some stats to back up this claim. Would you care to provide an honest comparison.

In the meantime since you finally stepped up to the plate and answered the questions (as dishonest as they may have been) I've got some more for you:

Why did HLA resist the ongoing investigation from ORS? Namely why was ORS forced to return to campus with a court order? If HLA has nothing to hide why wouldnt they simply allow the investigators the information they were seeking?

Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?

Has HLA hired a nurse yet?



Yes, No, No

End of story!
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« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2006, 10:22:11 PM »
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This is an amusing thread.


Translates to: I tortured small animals as a child.
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« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2006, 10:23:44 PM »
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These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking.  What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted.  We are not a hospital.  We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues.  Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.


Translates to: HOLY SHIT I AM GOING TO GO TO PRISON! SOMEONE PLEASE SEND ME CONDOMS, SMOKES, LUBE, A FILE, and SOME DECKS OF PLAYING CARDS!
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« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2006, 10:53:41 PM »
Im not sure you would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point you are so passionate about.  Go to google and type in school violence statistics.  Im not spending my time doing your research.  

The reason HLA told them to get lost is because they cannot legally open records for kids who are privately placed without a court order.  Its not about cooperation Robert...as much as I know you would like for us to hang ourselves, it would have been an illegal move to let them view confidential files.  These laws can also be accessed online or in our constitution.
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« Reply #54 on: December 16, 2006, 11:06:17 PM »
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Im not sure I would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point I am so passionate about.  Furthermore, I fail to see the irony in comparing public schools to an environment in which the children are presumably better monitored.  Im not spending my time thinking.  

The reason HLA told them to get lost is because we cannot legally shred and alter records of kids.  Its not about cooperation Robert...its about fucking with the evidence, and it would have been a bad move to let them view confidential files before we edited them.  The laws we broke will probably get us all cornholed in jail, but naturally we have no respect for civil law, criminal law, or the Constitution.
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« Reply #55 on: December 16, 2006, 11:09:45 PM »
I see. So you make a claim and then you want me to prove it for you? Unfortunatlee for you, I'm not doing your homework. You made the claim, you back it up. Until you do common sense and current testimony would seem to suggest that on average HLA has a higher rate of violent incidents than your average public school.

Prove me wrong.

As to the investigation issue, you're correct. It is illegal for anyone outside the school or the student to view those records without a court order (not that that's ever stopped them before when they found it to be convienent). So then my follow up question would be this:

Are the reports true concerning Len admonishing staff members for allowing the ORS agents to view the records even after they came with a court order?

If so what was the justification?

There were also two other questions you failed to answer, allow me to repost them.

Is HLA currently cross utilizing staff? Is this legal?

Has HLA hired a nurse yet?

Adding to the list:

Do you feel HLA has been forthright with the state regarding it's purpose?

Is HLA forthright with parents regarding the strip searching policy?

Does HLA accept court ordered kids?
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« Reply #56 on: December 17, 2006, 01:10:52 AM »
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RC is functioning with a director who meets the requirements...I am extremely confident in Steve at RCI and I know this is the type of guy who advocates for employees and kids alike.

Inconsequential. Even if Steve possesses the required credentials (I'll check later) to fill the Director's position, he can't hold all three positions.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=232477#232477

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The reason HLA told them to get lost is because they cannot legally open records for kids who are privately placed without a court order. Its not about cooperation Robert...as much as I know you would like for us to hang ourselves, it would have been an illegal move to let them view confidential files. These laws can also be accessed online or in our constitution.

HLA told them to get lost because they are a private corporation and can do so. Exactly why they need to be licensed. Who told you that ORS wanted to view students files? Pretty sure ORS knows the law and their rights. You simply delayed access and caused them the headache of going through the court.

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We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues.

Was this divulged to ORS? That requires a license.

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Im not sure you would love to see some stats on school violence because it would disprove the point you are so passionate about. Go to google and type in school violence statistics. Im not spending my time doing your research.


As for violence and suicide in public schools. We have looked at that research here, pretty extensively.
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ide#196040
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 136#196136
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 010#196010

About 1 in 1,000,000 homicides/suicides in public schools.
150 some deaths in the industry since 1980. It's only by shear luck that HLA doesn't have any kids on the death list. You, nor I, nor any prospective parent can compare the safety of HLA to public schools because the incidents of violence, attempted suicides, injuries that occur at HLA aren't reported. And won't be until they are licensed. Mute issue.

Why don't we stick to the basic questions pertinent to this thread.
Has RC reported to ORS that their Adm Dir and Program Dir left? What would the state advise RC do in this situation? And whether it's consider rude or not, is Steve mentally competent to hold the position of Director? How severe were his injuries?
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« Reply #57 on: December 17, 2006, 10:27:02 AM »
Quote from: ""Think People""
These are good questions and I would only hope before you accuse anyone of being unethical you have more answers such as the ones you are asking.  What I am saying is that suicide attempts and success occurs in all range of psychiatric facilities, even the most restricted.  We are not a hospital.  We offer therapy for kids who struggle with various emotional and behavioral issues.  Of course kids who experience suicidal thoughts talk to staff, staff observe, staff inquire, and we send kids to hospitals if there is a concern that they may be actively suicidal.


So once and for all a very simple question:

Is HLA a Therapeutic Boarding School or not?
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« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2006, 11:32:48 AM »
While loyalty is an admirable quality, at this point you're just putting on blinders and being naive. Something is obviously rotten at the core of the school to have lead to this. You can blame this on us all you want, but in the end you all did this to yourself by your refusal to get over your own pride and arrogance. Open your eyes, aren't you the one who chided us for not being objective?
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« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2006, 12:46:49 PM »
Again, the only thing owned outright. I can only imagine where the barcode tat may be located.
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