Coach

[Nihilanthic]

Perrigaud, while I suck at trying to take a conception in my mind and express it when its this complex... the only thing I can say is WHAT doesnt matter nearly as much as the HOW and WHY with what you do and say to people.

That, and people aren't immune. You *CAN* influence what people think and feel and hurt them through words, especially with control of their environment and social pressure.

Lets say John and Jane Q. Public go to a seminar. Bullshit starts going off and their BS detectors are going off, they dont like it, and want to leave. However, everyone else is there staying there. They're told to stay the hole time. Everyone running it acts like this is normal! Social Pressure does amazing things, Perrigaud.

Youre a strong person and independant enough to just say "No this is bullshit" and not be affected by it. But hell, even you didnt like that "running your number" process bullshit.

Using terms like this in a cultish setting and ego reduction (so thinking and decisions come from an authority) can fuck people up. Maybe the human condition is weakness but thats not humanitys fault if a program is fucked up by design.

To the anon - wish to share where you went? Any specifics at all? There are ways you can contact me that are untraceable, and you can trust Ginger (antigen) with anything you want. She runs the site.

I'm sure you already know about http://www.isaccorp.org, but I'll mention again, just incase :grin:

He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)

[Anonymous]

I have mixed opions about this stuff.  I have a bachelors degree in psychology and have been to various counselors etc. Of course my little degree doesn't hold a candle compared to everyone elses' but for whatever it's worth this is my opinon as follows:
     We just finished the "Discovery Training" with Duane Smotherman. "We" is my husband and I. During the program I recognized the marketing he does for the program and how he leads you to believe that if you pull your child out (or if you'd not put him in) they'll die (due to drugs, etc.). Perhaps that's true, but then it could be just marketing for the program. So you have to be careful. Now I am HOping that he will be Fixed when he comes out BUT I don't want him to be brainwashed or hypnotized to do that. During the seminar, there were a lot of awsome things we did, but it really did seem to dance right up to a few boundary lines that lead me to wander if when they do it with the kids...do they cross those lines? As parents with kids in the program of course we have a vested interest, but with him obviously he also has a vested interest and it's not necessarily our children ($). So on one hand we liked the seminar, but on the other there are some concerns. I don't have the answer.

[psy]

I have mixed opions about this stuff.  I have a bachelors degree in psychology and have been to various counselors etc. Of course my little degree doesn't hold a candle compared to everyone elses' but for whatever it's worth this is my opinon as follows:
     We just finished the "Discovery Training" with Duane Smotherman. "We" is my husband and I. During the program I recognized the marketing he does for the program and how he leads you to believe that if you pull your child out (or if you'd not put him in) they'll die (due to drugs, etc.). Perhaps that's true, but then it could be just marketing for the program. So you have to be careful. Now I am HOping that he will be Fixed when he comes out BUT I don't want him to be brainwashed or hypnotized to do that. During the seminar, there were a lot of awsome things we did, but it really did seem to dance right up to a few boundary lines that lead me to wander if when they do it with the kids...do they cross those lines? As parents with kids in the program of course we have a vested interest, but with him obviously he also has a vested interest and it's not necessarily our children ($). So on one hand we liked the seminar, but on the other there are some concerns. I don't have the answer.

okey dokey.

http://http://www.rickross.com/reference/apologist/apologist23.html#Large-Group%20Awareness%20Training

read there.  if you feel like it go look up lifespring, est.

http://http://www.isaccorp.org/cults.asp

read the articles on lifespring under wwasp

Jeesus.

Perrigaud seems to have waaay too much kool-aid.  Go read the above links man.  especially under est and lifespring.  

The whole "it's always my fault" shit they shove down your throat is just so you'll blame yourself when they fuck you over.

Go research.  And i dare you to write about it.  I bet you can't.  I bet you can't remember everythign.  Just try it.  Write in a journal for just yourself to read.  Good luck getting past page one.

When you start to realize what they did.  then you're attitude will change.